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Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:41 am

Look at this link:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/04/10/eu.air.reut/index.html

Has the 787 changed that much? Or is CNN not capable of telling the difference between a 787 and a 737....
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:50 am

And I didn't know the 787 was a regional jet......

Oh well....
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:16 am

I hate it when big news companys know shit about aviation. Ugh.. when I first saw that article I was like "Is this a joke?!". It annoys me. Ugh..
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:24 am

 rotfl 
They don't know ANYTHING.

The picture is usually pulled from an archive, but the 787 a regional? That's made my day.

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:44 am

Doesn't anyone do fact-checking anymore? Oh, wait, I should know better crazy 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:47 am

If you look at the article, CNN did not write that piece. The picked it up off the Reuters wire and then posted it. It should be Reuters that should get the flames.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:50 pm

Quoting Ytib (Reply 5):
It should be Reuters that should get the flames.

The photo credit is to "AP/FILE" meaning it was taken from the stock photography library of the Associated Press. There's really no telling who is responsible for this mistake.

It could have been mislabeled by the Associated Press.

It could have been sent with the article by Reuters.

It could have been picked up by CNN to illustrate a wire story.

There are basically about 20 different steps along the way where it could have gone wrong, and the copy editor at CNN didn't catch anything wrong with it before it went to press (or website, in this case), especially since the photo is embedded as "story.dreamliner.jpg".
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:56 pm

ummm yeah....nice pic of a 737NG in ANA colors!
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:15 pm

If the 787 is a regional jet than I'll be seeing plenty of them here operated by Mesa as HPX.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:50 pm

Quoting A380900 (Reply 8):
CNN does not get anything right. Like all US media.

That's taking it a little far, don't you think? I mean, at least they get the weather right... sometimes. Oh, and the sports scores are usually correct. So that's at least two things they sometimes get right!

I think that regardless of where this story went wrong and whoever made the original mistake, it's on CNN's website and they should have proofread it before it went live. There really is no excuse for so many mistakes in one story. When you see the media make such obvious and blatent errors on topics you actually know something about, you do begin to wonder if they get anything right.

Speaking of planes and the media, I hope that "Airline" is successful enough to bring about more content in a similar vein. I never got the Discovery Wings channel before it was canned, but I hope that another channel with similar or improved content will eventually emerge.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:07 pm

Here is the original reuters article.
No picture included however the regional jet comment is there.

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:27 pm

Quoting A380900 (Reply 8):
CNN does not get anything right. Like all US media.

Would you like to elaborate on that second portion?

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:51 pm

LoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL

COME ON!!!

Another blooper was here on Danish television... They spoke of a B52 and showed a B2... I mean anyone who was living during the Vietnam war MUST have some idea of what a B52 looks like, even so a B2??? It's a hightech 90's spyplane that's A FLYING WING!!!

Hmm well guess not...

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting Windshear (Reply 12):
even so a B2??? It's a hightech 90's spyplane that's A FLYING WING!!!

I will let someone else catch the irony in this statement.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:00 am

I read recently here in Colombia, a newspaper talking about the fleet of a new airline (called Fenix). According to them, the planes will be Boeing 357 and 567 (yes 357 and 567 !!!!)

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:01 am

Wow this is good news - perhaps Chautauqua, Pinnacle and hopefully even Mesaba will order large quantities of 787's and we'll get to see them in FWA!  drunk 

CNN blows chunks.

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:04 am

Jeez, another reason why people in my country are so misinformed. If they can't get something that simple correct, how do you think they cover politics? Anyone know a hot chick from Europe looking for a guy?  Wink

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting GMUAirbusA320 (Reply 16):
Jeez, another reason why people in my country are so misinformed. If they can't get something that simple correct, how do you think they cover politics? Anyone know a hot chick from Europe looking for a guy?

My sister-in-law is single
EDIT: She's also hot. lol!


Quite honestly I don't think the US media is worse than anywhere else. The big problem is the proliferation of all these (so called) expert commentators. ***sigh***

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting MQrampBOS (Reply 4):
Doesn't anyone do fact-checking anymore?

I think Dan Rather checked this one out before they put it on the net.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:42 am

When has any news source ever gotten aviation right?
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:43 am

Captoveur I did not get that...
The B2 was released in the 1990's...

Anyways...

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:47 am

(snicker)

There really is no excuse for this sort of error. I mean, really, why would CNN even use an AP file photo to illustrate a story like this (especially since it's not even an AP story!) instead of just hopping over to Boeing's website and getting a pic right from there?

As for Reuters calling the 787 a "regional jet", well, that's just normal aviation-story incompetency, compounded by CNN being lazy and not checking anything before posting it.

Quoting Captoveur (Reply 13):
I will let someone else catch the irony in this statement.

Too easy...
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:02 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 21):
why would CNN even use an AP file photo to illustrate a story like this (especially since it's not even an AP story!) instead of just hopping over to Boeing's website and getting a pic right from there?

Since CNN uses a lot of AP photos to illustrate their stories, it's probably easier to get/track copyright clearances from one source instead of many.

A couple of weeks ago the NYTimes ran into the same problem CNN did by using an AP photo of a NW RJ to illustrate a DC-9.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:09 am

CNN is a pathetic excuse for a news agency-time they just quit. Whenever an aviation story comes up they wheel out some "Aviation Expert" who doesn't have a clue on anything aviation. It's pretty sad  bored  I can't even bare to watch CNN anymore.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:19 am

LOL that happens all the time... The day the A380 was unveiled the news talked a little about the history of aviation, they said the first commercial jet was the 737 (!) and the images were of a 707  laughing 

If the 787 is a regional jet, then the 737 is what, a local plane? Big grin
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
Since CNN uses a lot of AP photos to illustrate their stories, it's probably easier to get/track copyright clearances from one source instead of many.

All they'd have to do is register for the Boeing Media website - everything on that site is pre-cleared.
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:27 am

Perhaps some one should point CNN in the direction of all the "experts" on here  Smile
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:37 am

"As for Reuters calling the 787 a "regional jet", well, that's just normal aviation-story incompetency, compounded by CNN being lazy and not checking anything before posting it."

I'm not going to defend these guys for making stupid mistakes. I saw a story recently (can't remember where) about DC-9s, illustrated with a nice photo of a CRJ. Well, they do look a little alike to the untrained eye.

But no mainline news agency does "fact checking" -- that's the usual preserve of monthly magazines with the luxury of time. CNN and others rely on the competence of their reporters and editors to get it right before they post it, or put in on air, or put it in the newspaper. They couldn't do it any other way and still fill the insatiable public demand for instant news. They are guilty of many things, but "lazy" reporters don't last long.

That means they'll probably make mistakes like this from time to time -- probably every day. Other than airplane freaks, no one in the general public will notice, nor will they care. I've seen comments in this forum ripping the s**t out of news agencies because they can't tell the difference between an A320 and an A319.

Reporters and editors are not experts on anything; they are generalists trying to give people an understanding of what they consider to be major news. There's lots of scope for criticism. But the average a.netter should try putting together -- in half an hour -- a clearly written news story about the latest development in heart surgery; and see if you can get it 100% mistake-free.

One final note -- consider how you'd all feel in your jobs if your mistakes were hanging out there for the entire world to crap on. It's not fun, and it can get you sued for big bucks if someone gets libelled as a result.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:39 am

hahaha.. The dreamliner is now a 737-800, we should e-mail them about that. Maybe by regional jet they meant point-to-point jet. Also, this was written by REUTERS! Ridiculous! Anyone e-mailed them?
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:49 am

"Captoveur I did not get that...
The B2 was released in the 1990's... "

yaaaaaaaaaaa.... I don't think the B2 is used for spying... =P

As for the article, it is pretty sad they got it wrong but that is one SWEET pic of an ANA 737NG. How many do they operate and do they have winglets?
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:22 am

This made me laugh I was surprised they called it a "regional jet" Big grin
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:26 am

I emailed them on both the picture and the regional jet concept.

No response. Nobody home I guess.
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:36 am

G´day

They could have pictured the DHC Twin Otter and stated it seats 600 people, hardly anyone would have noticed.

How many movies are around with a single aisle type taking off with the interior shots showing a twin aisle. Most people don´t notice, else this would not be Hollywood standard procedure.

Same chapter as mother in law insisting she flew the La Guardia Boston shuttle on a 747.

Journalists are paid to fill the papers with "news", as to whether or not the news are newsworthy or even true is of secondary importance.

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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 25):
All they'd have to do is register for the Boeing Media website

You know that, and I know that, but if you've ever worked clearances, it's a path of least resistance.  Smile
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:10 am

Uhh I didn't see any big mistakes other than the regional 787 part, I don't see what the problem is.
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:15 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 34):
Uhh I didn't see any big mistakes other than the regional 787 part, I don't see what the problem is.

The picture shows a 737, when it says that it's a Dreamliner (787)
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:24 am

Who cares, everyone can't be aviation geeks like us here at Airliners.net  boxedin 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 28):
The dreamliner is now a 737-800, we should e-mail them about that

Since we're ripping CNN to shreds for a mistake, I might as well rip you, too. The aircraft pictured is a Boeing 737-700, not a -800.

Quoting Keta (Reply 35):
The picture shows a 737, when it says that it's a Dreamliner (787)

They didn't even bother to use a pic of the Air Berlin or Ryanair 737s in Dreamliners c/s, so it'd at least be somewhat accurate:


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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:43 am

The title of this thread is somewhat interesting.... Not EVEN (Clinton News Network) Gets Aviation Right..

Oh my!! Not EVEN the hallowed CNN!!  Wow!

Since when is CNN a model of journalistic excellence when it comes to reporting aviation??

Next time, try "fair and balanced" reporting over at Fox News!!  sly 
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 27):
CNN and others rely on the competence of their reporters and editors to get it right before they post it, or put in on air, or put it in the newspaper.

Plus you'd be surprised how many newsrooms (local, mostly) are run by interns. Not such a big thing where I work now but at the station in North Carolina where I used to work the newsroom was about 70% paid reporters/producers and 30% interns working for no money, only college course credit. The interns did a lot of the "rewriting" of AP stories (which usually meant obfuscating the facts even more than the wire services do) and finding/editing file video for said wire stories.
 
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:38 am

It could have been a typo or misprint, "3" and "8" can be mixed, especially if nobody knows any better. You folks act as if we need an aviation correspondent, how about Bill Sweetman?
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RE: Not Even CNN Gets Aviation Right.

Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:10 pm

Come on, gang!

The majority of the article was addressing financial transactions and business deals. How many times do we see things on the news where:

-The guy that held his girlfriend hostage was "35 year-old Bob Smith" when he was actually 36

-A Ford Explorer flipped off of a highway overpass, causing death and destruction, even though we know it was a Ford Expedition in the picture

-JiffyMart was robbed, even though the stock photo was that of a 7-11

-Firestone tires lose tread, but we know that it was a BF Goodrich shown to us in the report

I could go on all night with these analogies. At least the pic showed the plane flying in the Dreamliner livery, which is a plus. It's a financial report, not a detailed engineering report on the design of the aircraft.

I'm all for getting 100% of the facts correct, but based on this article, the picture is nothing but a very minor supplement to the presentation. There's a very small niche that would care what is pictured in this article. A huge percentage of the market analysts and whatnot that read this article would have been equally placated with a photo of a C-172S painted cherry-red during full-power stall training. They're not even going to look at it!
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