Nothing earth shattering here. I saw a blurb in the paper the other day and thought i'd post it for the BUF posters/lurkers on this board. This summer they were supposed to close and rehabilitate the main runway for 3 months (and extend the runway 23 end a few hundred feet out towards the NYS thruway). It's postponed until the Summer of 2006 due to a strike by heavy-equipment operators.
"Local 17, International Union of Operating Engineers, whose members operate bulldozers, cranes and other heavy equipment, went on strike April 4."
Also, here's a nice shot of the airport courtesy of the very cool google maps feature. It's obviously a year or so old since in this shot they have not yet completed the extension of runway 14-32 (now 7,100'). You can see the dirt pile on the runway 23 end where they will build up the ground and extend it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=buf&ll...14&spn=0.019183,0.030384&t=k&hl=en
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RE: BUF Main Runway Improvement Postponed
I flew out of BUF once. I am surprised at how small the terminal is when compared with other cities of comperable size/population. Thanks for the link.
Any idea when they will start again?
Any idea when they will start again?
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| Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 1): I flew out of BUF once. I am surprised at how small the terminal is when compared with other cities of comperable size/population. |
You should compare with ROC, SYR or ALB. BUF is definitely the biggest. The terminal is just right - it fits all carriers currently operating there plus it has some reserves.
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Its such a user friendly little terminal though. Security gets crazy early mornings and afternoons though.
The tower? Rapunzel!!!!!!
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I am surprised at how small the terminal is when compared with other cities of comperable size/population.
You might have a point when you consider that roughly 1.2 million people make up the Buffalo/Niagara/Chautauqua metro area. That puts Buffalo just behind metro areas of Nashville, Austin & Memphis and just in front of Louisville, Hartford, Jacksonville & Salt Lake. I don't know how many gates those other airports have in comparison to the 25 at BUF? but at least a few of those are huge pax/cargo facilities.
Also, Rochester with their metro population of 1+ million is only a mere 60 miles away and has their own fine airport.
You might have a point when you consider that roughly 1.2 million people make up the Buffalo/Niagara/Chautauqua metro area. That puts Buffalo just behind metro areas of Nashville, Austin & Memphis and just in front of Louisville, Hartford, Jacksonville & Salt Lake. I don't know how many gates those other airports have in comparison to the 25 at BUF? but at least a few of those are huge pax/cargo facilities.
Also, Rochester with their metro population of 1+ million is only a mere 60 miles away and has their own fine airport.
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Is the "new Terminal" were the old one use to be? I can remember growing up there as a little boy in the 70's. My favorite thing to do with my Grandpa was to go to the airport and watch the planes take off and land. Hopefully I can get back this year.
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Danny flyer,
Have you been to ROC?
I 'm not sure that BUF is larger than ROC in sq. ft.
The Rock
Have you been to ROC?
I 'm not sure that BUF is larger than ROC in sq. ft.
The Rock
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RE: BUF Main Runway Improvement Postponed
When the first phase of BUF's new terminal was completed in 1997, according to the architect's website, it was 285,000 square feet. The second phase, the gates where WN/CO/NW/DH/DL are now located, probably added another 80,000 or so; I couldn't find figures for it. That would put BUF's terminal at about 365,000 square feet.
ROC's current terminal, according to Monroe County documents published when the project began, is 370,000 square feet. So the ROC and BUF buildings are similar in size.
In 2003, BUF handled 4.1 million passengers. ROC handled 2.5 million the same year, so it's more than half. In 2004 ROC handled 2.76 million. I couldn't find BUF's figures for 2004. ROC was up 15 percent in Jan. 2005 compared to Jan. 2004, and 13 percent in March 2005 compared to March 2004. BUF is probably seeing similar increases.
Jim
ROC's current terminal, according to Monroe County documents published when the project began, is 370,000 square feet. So the ROC and BUF buildings are similar in size.
In 2003, BUF handled 4.1 million passengers. ROC handled 2.5 million the same year, so it's more than half. In 2004 ROC handled 2.76 million. I couldn't find BUF's figures for 2004. ROC was up 15 percent in Jan. 2005 compared to Jan. 2004, and 13 percent in March 2005 compared to March 2004. BUF is probably seeing similar increases.
Jim
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| Quoting Danny (Reply 2): You should compare with ROC |
I used to live in ROC and have flown from the old and new erminals many times. ROC is much smaller than BUF, thats why I was surprised to learn of the reserve space there.
Who is the dominant carrier at BUF??
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There is no dominant carrier here. Currently US Airways is definitely the largest in number of departures, not sure in numbers of pax though. They opened their lounge recently.
Southwest and JetBlue are growing fast mainly thanks to Canadians. I saw statistics that 37% of passengers at BUF is from Canada. Also NWA is doing well flying all mainline to DTW and MSP with good loads.
Southwest and JetBlue are growing fast mainly thanks to Canadians. I saw statistics that 37% of passengers at BUF is from Canada. Also NWA is doing well flying all mainline to DTW and MSP with good loads.
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US Airways is still dominant at ROC, if you can call it that, with around 20 percent of passengers. That's a big drop in market share from the mid-1990's, when about 50 percent of our pax flew US. The Rochester paper reported in January that low-fare carriers now carry 30 percent of ROC pax. That suggests to me that JetBlue and AirTran are each probably around 12-13 percent of market share and Independence is probably 2-3 percent. I haven't been able to get actual 2004 ROC market share figures by airline yet.
It's unlikely that any other network carrier even has 10 percent of ROC market share any more, though UA and DL are probably close.
US closed their ROC and SYR lounges on Dec. 3, 2004. BUF's is still open? When the US lounge at ROC opened in 1985, membership was $40 per year. According to the Democrat and Chronicle, at the time of closing, membership is $250-$375 per year.
Jim
It's unlikely that any other network carrier even has 10 percent of ROC market share any more, though UA and DL are probably close.
US closed their ROC and SYR lounges on Dec. 3, 2004. BUF's is still open? When the US lounge at ROC opened in 1985, membership was $40 per year. According to the Democrat and Chronicle, at the time of closing, membership is $250-$375 per year.
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Just to chime in on some of the numbers... in 2004 BUF handled 4.4 million passengers.
The airport estimates that in October 2000, Canadians made up 10% of the airport traffic. In October 2004 that number jumped to 29%.
The airport estimates that in October 2000, Canadians made up 10% of the airport traffic. In October 2004 that number jumped to 29%.
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RE: BUF Main Runway Improvement Postponed
The airport estimates that in October 2000, Canadians made up 10% of the airport traffic. In October 2004 that number jumped to 29%.
Part of that increase in percentage is probably due to fewer Rochester people using BUF than in October 2000. JetBlue had just started at ROC a few months before and wasn't ramped up to five dailies yet. Also, AirTran didn't enter ROC until March 2002, and of course Indy in July 2004.
Still, though, most of that increase must be a big increase in Canadians coming over. YYZ certainly doesn't lack for low-fare service to Florida, or the US west coast; WestJet also serves LGA and I think (correct me if wrong) MDW. I'll bet a lot of "Golden Horseshoe" folks find BUF much more pleasant to use than congested YYZ. And of course Southwest, AirTran and Indy offer low-fare access from BUF to lots of USA markets that aren't covered by WestJet, CanJet, or AirTransat.
If ROC keeps growing at its first-quarter 2005 pace, it should break 3 million for the first time this year. BUF should get to at least 4.8 million, though we can always hope for 5 million.
Jim
Part of that increase in percentage is probably due to fewer Rochester people using BUF than in October 2000. JetBlue had just started at ROC a few months before and wasn't ramped up to five dailies yet. Also, AirTran didn't enter ROC until March 2002, and of course Indy in July 2004.
Still, though, most of that increase must be a big increase in Canadians coming over. YYZ certainly doesn't lack for low-fare service to Florida, or the US west coast; WestJet also serves LGA and I think (correct me if wrong) MDW. I'll bet a lot of "Golden Horseshoe" folks find BUF much more pleasant to use than congested YYZ. And of course Southwest, AirTran and Indy offer low-fare access from BUF to lots of USA markets that aren't covered by WestJet, CanJet, or AirTransat.
If ROC keeps growing at its first-quarter 2005 pace, it should break 3 million for the first time this year. BUF should get to at least 4.8 million, though we can always hope for 5 million.
Jim
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Has anybody seen KBUF Runway 14-32 used for Mainline Traffic (737's, DC-9's, A320's) recently?
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Flying Tigers is still closed as of April.
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Has anybody seen KBUF Runway 14-32 used for Mainline Traffic (737's, DC-9's, A320's) recently?
I was at BUF yesterday for a couple hours before my flight and watched several planes land on 32. Among them were two Southwest 737's and four ERJ's. The others were commuter props. All the takeoffs and some other landings were on rwy 23.
I also saw two all white Voyageur Airways planes land (Dash 7 & Dash 8). Anyone know who they are? Thanks.
I was at BUF yesterday for a couple hours before my flight and watched several planes land on 32. Among them were two Southwest 737's and four ERJ's. The others were commuter props. All the takeoffs and some other landings were on rwy 23.
I also saw two all white Voyageur Airways planes land (Dash 7 & Dash 8). Anyone know who they are? Thanks.
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The Voyageur Airways planes were clearing customs in BUF headed toward Bombardier in Clarksburg, WV
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