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Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:54 pm

KLM will be upgrading its business class seats as well as install PTVs in their B 747-400s. What about TG, LH/AF etc? Do they have plans to install PTVs in their B 747-400 economy class?

I know TG/LH/AF are upgrading their first and business class products (AF has removed first on the B 747-400)
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:13 am

KLM will only install B777 style WBC seats in the B747-400 (unfortunately, I like the current seats  Smile ); y-class will NOT get PTVs  Sad , but new ceiling mounted LCD monitors.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 1):
KLM will only install B777 style WBC seats in the B747-400 (unfortunately, I like the current seats ); y-class will NOT get PTVs , but new ceiling mounted LCD monitors.

REALLY? I thought they are getting PTVs. What a shame....

What about LH, AF, TG etc?
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 1):
KLM will only install B777 style WBC seats in the B747-400 (unfortunately, I like the current seats ); y-class will NOT get PTVs , but new ceiling mounted LCD monitors.

I thought KL would be installing new cabins with PTV's in every class?

TG is current only upgrading F and J on the 744's the Y class has only just received new seat covers, seems pretty stupid, may as well upgrade the whole aircraft!  Sad

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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):

I thought KL would be installing new cabins with PTV's in every class?

I thought that too.

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
TG is current only upgrading F and J on the 744's the Y class has only just received new seat covers, seems pretty stupid, may as well upgrade the whole aircraft!

Will they do it one day?
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:29 am

i don't know if that includes PTVs in Eco, but with the introduction of the A380, LH is supposed to roll out a new First Class and Economcy Class product. won't happen until late 2007, though.

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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:41 am

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
What about TG

Yes, "progressively", which may mean for a long time to come, especially when it is from TG Big grin
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:46 am

The newest AF 744 have PTV in Eco (3 I think).

The other 744, when refurbished, have PTV installed only in the Upper-Deck Eco cabin.
I will never fly again 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:03 am

TG doesn't need PTVs in Y. Y to BKK will generally be full whether it has wooden benches or state of the art entertainment system.

LH Y is always full as well, no need for PTVs from economical point of view. LH doesn't give a s*it about Y folks anyway.
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 8):
LH doesn't give a s*it about Y folks anyway

Yeah as a man of 6'4" i can second that. Seat pitch is horrible and 17 hours with this bitchy bad Screens every x rows is bloody boring.
But Catering was nice.

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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:19 am

Quoting Jush (Reply 9):
But Catering was nice.

Try intra-Asia economy ex-BKK. I wouldn't serve those meals to a homeless BKK dog.
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:49 am

The last 3 AF's B744 have PTVs in Y : F-GITH/I/J.
The B744 reconfigured in the Y/J version have PTVs (VOD) at the upper deck, as this cabin is a "Premium Economy" (Alizée Class) on the flights to Carribean/Indian Ocean.

AF operates "only" 15 B744 PAX. 3 are going to be reconfigured in all Freighters, and some more could follow. 3 already have PTVs in Y.
AF will not add PTVs in Y class in the few remaining a/c. Morover, the B744 (PAX) could leave the AF fleet sooner than expected, replaced by additionnal B773ER, even on the "leisure" destinations. More B773ER were ordered recently (to be based at ORY to replace the last 4 B743). All those B773ER will be fitted with PTVs, even in "M" class.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:55 am

From what I heard the 400s will stay for a quite a while. The 200s and 300s will be gone soon (Or have they retired them 100%?)

I remember they said they were interested in the B 747 Advanced. Not sure if this is true
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:49 am

The last -200 will be retired by the end of this month (F-GCBJ). This a/c is based at ORY and provide only additionnal flights to RUN and AJA.

The retirement of the -300 is scheduled for end 2006.

Of course, the -400 will stay around for a little while, but the fleet will be first reduced from 15 to 12 a/c (the 3 a/c being converted into cargos). Three more could also be converted into Cargo. Those a/c are ex-Combi, with SCD (F-GISA/B/C/D/E & F-GEXB, ex UTA), All this will leave a small marginal fleet of 9 a/c compared to the almost 50 a/c fleet of B772ER/B773ER that AF will have soon.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:21 pm

I second Lufthansa747, LH doesn't care about Y pax anyway and catering..well I don't think they know the meaning of the word catering
or cabin service.
They have a lot to learn from asian carriers.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:24 pm

FlySSC:

Have all of AFs 744s been reconfigured with the new Business class seats? And which of the 744s are operating where?

I'm asking this because I have two flights that I'm going to be taking to Central America within the next 2 months, one in Business, and one in Economy, and since AF flies the 744 to 2 of my possible connecting points (MIA and CCS), I wanted to know if they have different 744 services (as in ne gets PTVs in Y, the other doesnt, etc...)
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:28 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
More B773ER were ordered recently (to be based at ORY to replace the last 4 B743).

Wasn't there an issue with the 773 not be able to use the ORY runway/taxiways? I remember reading here about it.

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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:37 am

Do they have PTVs in Y class on other aircraft? If yes, there should be no reason why they do not put PTVs in their B 747-400 Y class. The B 747-400 is an important long haul aircraft
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:50 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 17):
Do they have PTVs in Y class on other aircraft? If yes, there should be no reason why they do not put PTVs in their B 747-400 Y class. The B 747-400 is an important long haul aircraft

If you mean AF, well, apparently it isn't that important to them, with the 777 (and soon the A380) becoming their prime longhaul aircraft. The 777 and A380 will be the only types in the fleet to retain F class, with the rest going J/Y only.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:18 am

Where does AF plan to fly the A 380s to?
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:50 am

All other AF's a/c have PTVs in Y (B772ER/B773ER/A343/A332).

KL911,

The work to reinforce runways's thresholds at ORY will begin very soon. Every will be ready to welcome the B773ER at Orly when they will be delivered, in 2006.

LX23,

7 B744 have been reconfigured.

3 of them have 40J/393Y including 57 Y at the upper deck with PTVs. Those a/c are F-GISD/F-GITE/F-GITJ

4 of them have 17J/57S/400M (F-GITA/F-GITB/F-GITD/F-GITF). Those a/c are the one used on the Carribean/Indian Ocean network ("S" is the Alizée Class, a Premium economy at the upper deck with PTVs only available in those destinations).

8 aircraft are still in the "old" three class config. 13P/58J/324Y.

United Airline,

The AF's A380 will be launched on CDG-JFK & CDG-YUL.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:59 am

Interesting. Any other routes they plan to put the A 380s on?

Heard that they are interested in the B 747A. That was back in 2002 when it was still called B 747-400XQLR

So why did they put PTVs on those two B 747-400s?
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:35 am

Other routes for the A380 with AF, after JFK & YUL, are CDG-NRT and CDG-PEK, then probably LAX, MIA ...


10 A380 are on order + 4 Options. That's enough for AF for the moment and no B747 of any kind will be added. AF will not buy the 747-Adv if ever it is launched, but more B772ER/B773ER & A332 will certainly be ordered, and probably the B787 or A350.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:56 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 1):
KLM will only install B777 style WBC seats in the B747-400 (unfortunately, I like the current seats) y-class will NOT get PTVs, but new ceiling mounted LCD monitors.

Where did you get that info from?
KLM will indeed install LCD overhead screens on the 747-400's and MD-11 to replace the current monitors.
However on the 744's it's a temporary measure. because between 2006 and 2008 KLM will retrofit the 747-400 fleet with the MAS-3000 system like the ones on the 777's and also install the 777 WBC seats on its 747-400 fleet as you said.
Furthermore there will be a new design for carpets, seatcovering, curtains and wallpaper on the 744 fleet.

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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:10 am

I remember they once said that they would consider the B 747 Advanced if they are satisfied with the improvements. If not then no.

Good to see that KLM will be upgrading its IFEs and will install PTVs on every single B 747-400 seat. Hope AF, LH and TG will do the same thing.
 
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RE: Will TG/LH/AF Install PTVs In Their B 744 Y Class?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:08 am

FlySSC: Thanks for the info  Smile

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