757 Over The Atlantic-- Who's Next?

cloud4000 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:05 am

Both AA and CO are making money off their 757s plying trans-Atlantic routes, I was wonder if other majors are thinking of the same thing?

Does US have any plans to send some of their 757s overseas? Considering their current fleet of 767/330s are maxxed out and I don't see them ordering any new aircraft soon, even after their merger with HP?

And what about UA, NW and DL? All have sizable 757 fleets, but they are powered by PW2000s, unlike AA, CO and US?

Just wondering.

SonOfACaptain · Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
I don't see them ordering any new aircraft soon, even after their merger with HP?

US already has the A330-200 on order and the new US has ordered the A350, although both aircrafts won't be coming anytime soon. I think the A332 has been pushed back to 2010, but I am not sure though.

-SOAC

SHUPirate1 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:24 am

Cloud-it is quite doubtful that US Airways will be sending any 757's to Europe. I get the feeling that, post-merger, all 44 of the 757's will be used for flights from Phoenix and Las Vegas, as Doug Parker LOVES their hot and high performance.

toltommy · Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:55 am

USAirways 757's are older and not ETOPS certified. It would probably be cost prohibitive to certify them

1MillionFlyer · Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:07 pm

You forgot that Icelandair operates 757's over the Atlantic and has been for quite some time.

SHUPirate1 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:28 pm

1MillionFlyer-I didn't. I also didn't forget that Doug Parker LOVES the hot/high performance of the 757, and that in all likelyhood, those planes will be sent west, and to compensate, some of the Airbus fleet, or maybe all of the remaining 737 fleet (after the castoffs get parked) will be coming east.

A330323X · Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:37 pm

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
I don't see them ordering any new aircraft soon, even after their merger with HP

I don't see them ordering any additional widebodies either, seeing as how they've got 30 of them ordered as it is.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 3):
USAirways 757's are older and not ETOPS certified.

By older, I'll assume you mean mostly newer than the HP 757s that are now getting ETOPS certified. Silly

That being said, I don't see US sending the 757s to Europe.

jacobin777 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:42 pm

If I can recall, doesn't BD also use a 757 to IAD??

Alitalia744 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:47 pm

why can't the PW powered birds fly across the pond?

PhilSquares · Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
And what about UA, NW and DL? All have sizable 757 fleets, but they are powered by PW2000s, unlike AA, CO and US?

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 8):
why can't the PW powered birds fly across the pond?

NW is flying the 757-300 to HNL, so there is no restriction on powerplant and ETOPS. Cloud4000, I think you are a little confused.

flynboy747 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:32 pm

I wondered the same thing with DL. With recent expansion and success on European routes, I can really see them using some of their very large 757 fleet across the pond. Would this be possible??

DL763DFW · Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm

Might be, but the problem is DL is sending a lot of our 757s to Song. However though, there are a few 757s out there in DL colors that have Business Elite seats in them. With this management, anything is possible.

-DL763DFW

by188b · Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:22 pm

Possibly NW i think.

GLA-BOS, or MAN-DTW would be a good start

Sam the Lab · Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:26 pm

There will be another new transatlantic 757 service later in the year from the end of October.

An Irish travel agency has been organising twice weekly charters from Cork, Ireland to New York JFK. The flights are due to be operated by Ryan International Boeing 757. The flights will be Cork's first transatlantic services and are planned as charters like the EI DUB MCO to get around the farce of the Shannon stopover.

Hopefully, this will go a way to breaking the stranglehold snn has had for decades on the starting of new transatlantic flights from the USA to Ireland.

panamair · Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:20 pm

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 11):
However though, there are a few 757s out there in DL colors that have Business Elite seats in them.

No 757s currently have BusinessElite seats; there are a few 757s out there acquired from ATA which have slightly modified premium cabin seats that are different from the regular domestic First seats. On those particular a/c, there are only 22 seats up front instead of 24; pitch is better (but nothing like the 60 inches for BusinessElite) and there is a small foot/legrest extension (again, nothing like the real B/E seats).

squirrel83 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:31 pm

Quoting Flynboy747 (Reply 10):
I wondered the same thing with DL. With recent expansion and success on European routes, I can really see them using some of their very large 757 fleet across the pond. Would this be possible??

I must agree.
Im quite surprised they currently dont have a 757 Atlantic route, but I can see them changing JFK-TXL 763er to a 757 in the next couple months.

LH121GLA · Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
If I can recall, doesn't BD also use a 757 to IAD??

The BD 757 is leased from Icelandair.

skibum9 · Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:40 pm

If DL uses any of its 57s for transatlantic, I would say that it would be to downsize the CVG flights, like DL 36 and 37 to LGW, and move the 67s back to ATL. If they could, I am sure they would like to run the RJ from CVG transatlantic.

BigGSFO · Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:36 pm

It's ironic that Boeing shuts down production on the 757 just as the interest to extend the range for farther international routes begins to develop.

FrancoBlanco · Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:36 pm

Isn´t Thomas Cook (England?) using 757s for flights to Canada?

dutchjet · Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:03 am

Dont forget that BA was one of the first carriers with transatlantic 757 service, the BA 757s flew from YYZ and BOS via JFK to BHX and GLA - the schedule varied a bit over the years. EL AL also flew a 757 on a EWR-STN-TLV run a couple times per week many years ago.

Maybe NW will join the 757 transatlantic club - if this 4000 nm range upgrade that AA is talking about does become available, NW could be able to offer some additional flights out of its Detroit hub. For years, there has been talk of a Detroit-MAN flight and possibily some other destinations would make sense and would be within reach.

What about UA - they have said that the answer is longhaul and international routes - the 757 could fly some routes to Europe out of IAD where larger aircraft does not make sense. UA has a lack of widebodies at the moment (several 744s, 777s and 763s have left the fleet).....could the enhanced 752 be the answer?

BMI is mentioned above, and it seems that the leased 757 is working out well on the MAN-IAD flight. Would BMI consider acquring a small 757 fleet to operate the MAN-IAD flight on its own and open up further routes from MAN to the each coast of the US? Just an idea - BMI must make some type of decision regarding that route.

I dont see any other European carriers going the 757 route.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 18):
It's ironic that Boeing shuts down production on the 757 just as the interest to extend the range for farther international routes begins to develop.

Well said - although most of the carriers that are considering the 757 for transatlantic expansion are not in the financial position to purchase new aircraft at the moment. These airlines are trying to find a way to use their existing assets more effectively.

Boeing727 · Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:24 am

According to a couple of friends of mine working for DL out of Boston, there is a great chance that DL might fly SONG aircraft out of BOS as well as JFK to Europe. Just what I heard...

Boeing727

gearup · Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:23 am

Quoting Sam the Lab (Reply 13):
There will be another new transatlantic 757 service later in the year from the end of October.

An Irish travel agency has been organising twice weekly charters from Cork, Ireland to New York JFK. The flights are due to be operated by Ryan International Boeing 757. The flights will be Cork's first transatlantic services and are planned as charters like the EI DUB MCO to get around the farce of the Shannon stopover.

Hopefully, this will go a way to breaking the stranglehold snn has had for decades on the starting of new transatlantic flights from the USA to Ireland.

Nice to know that Cork can handle MTOW 757's. I did not realise the rwy. at Cork was suitable for that.

GU

jetset7e7 · Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:35 am

Isn´t Thomas Cook (England?) using 757s for flights to Canada?

TCX have 3 757's that are used on flights YYZ, YUL, YHZ, YOW, from LGW and MAN. The A330's operate the YVR flights.

The 757's are configured with 187 seats, these 3 are G-FCLH, G-FCLJ, FCLK

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AV8AJET · Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:37 am

According to a couple of friends of mine working for DL out of Boston, there is a great chance that DL might fly SONG aircraft out of BOS as well as JFK to Europe. Just what I heard...

Boeing727

If this were true they would have to be the ex-ATA 752's. These were originally ER models and would be the best suited airplanes for DL or SONG to use transatlantic. These aircraft are currently not kept up to ETOPS standards but could be if the planes were needed. I think you would see DL mainline transatlantic before you would see SONG though.

gilesdavies · Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:46 am

SkyServices C-GMYH trundles across the Atlantic most days during the Summer season between Toronto and Europe (MAN, LGW, DUB and ZAG).

A very nice old bird she is too, with 33inch seat pitch and leather seats through out.

I flew her last summer between LGW and YYZ.

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PPVRA · Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:48 am

PU just began MVD-GIG-REC-TNF-MAD services with the 757.

PPVRA

whitehatter · Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 24):
If this were true they would have to be the ex-ATA 752's. These were originally ER models and would be the best suited airplanes for DL or SONG to use transatlantic.

You mean the ex-SQ ones with the PW power?

PH-TVH · Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:26 am

Just heard a nice one:

KL is planning a route across the atlantic with their 737-900 fleet.
This will be in a verry high bussines standard configuration (with less seats than on a normal -900) I tought the route would be AMS-JFK...

highflyer9790 · Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:27 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
I was wonder if other majors are thinking of the same thing?

If you are talking about international airlines, I could see a few europeans sending their 75s over the pond. im thinking maybe thomas cook, brittania, and some other charter carriers. (although i dont know if they are ETOPS) here in the US, i could see Delta, Song and ATA. (although i dont know if they are ETOPS) All these airlines would not go to major airports, but maybe the ones that they can't get a good load factor out of at the moment, like Manchester, Barcellona, Hamburg, Paris/Orly, Athens (a little far), etc.

newkai · Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:22 am

It's interesting that the 757 is being used to open more and more non-stop destinations in the UK and Ireland from the US, but not the other way around.

What I mean is that that more US destinations aren't being added to, let's say, London. Maybe if BA would fly 757s across the Atlantic? If Edinburgh, Shannon, and now Cork can support n/s service (even if Cork's is chartered) to NYC, imagine the reverse possibilities!

BUF-London
PIT-London (the return of)
PVD-London

!?

PHX Flyer · Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:32 am

If United ever was to reinstate the daylight flight from JFK to LHR they would have the option of using a p.s. 757 for this service. I think that United's p.s. fleet would generally be excellent for transatlantic service. I hope they'll expand it to other east coast cities like Boston and Washington, D.C.

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