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Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:24 am

From chatting to various airline industry people, and observing several posts here on a.net lately, I'm getting the feeling Air New Zealand (or their staff at least) aren't overly happy with the A320's...

But is anyone able to shed some light on just what problems there are, or what some of the causes of this dislike could be put down to?

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:40 am

Quoting DJ738 (Thread starter):
From chatting to various airline industry people, and observing several posts here on a.net lately, I'm getting the feeling Air New Zealand (or their staff at least) aren't overly happy with the A320's...

Any source? I guess none  Yeah sure

A320 Family:
Total orders: 3611
Delivered: 2483

This shows the best what airlines think about this plane.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:53 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 1):
Any source? I guess none

A320 Family:
Total orders: 3611
Delivered: 2483

This shows the best what airlines think about this plane.

and what's your point...

Boeing 737 (thru june 2005)
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Total Deliveries: 4867
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:10 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 2):
and what's your point...

I guess I should ask you that since this thread has nothing to do with 737.

My point is A320 is very successful aircraft and there is no reason to claim without any source that airline x is unhappy with it. We are getting these threads almost daily. "Virgin unhappy with A346, X unhappy with Y" etc.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:39 pm

The only problem I can see with our A320 fleet is that there needs to be another dunny on board, towards the front of the cabin.

NZ1
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:41 pm

I've heard it is a maintenance issue.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:52 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 5):
I've heard it is a maintenance issue.

Then you heard wrong my friend.

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:58 pm

Yeah as a passenger I love the A320s - very spacious and comfy leather seats - although as NZ1 says they are in desperate need of another lav' on board.

BTW what's the noise that sounds like an electric drill that always occurs around the time of engine start up / taxying?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:04 pm

When I was on ZK-OJF last december I noticed it was more bumpy then the B737s while taxing, is this normal for A320s
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:24 pm

Quoting Gasman (Reply 7):
BTW what's the noise that sounds like an electric drill that always occurs around the time of engine start up / taxying?

Its the PTU powering the green hydraulic system. Sounds like a bark when its running.

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:53 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):
Its the PTU powering the green hydraulic system. Sounds like a bark when its running.

Yes that describes it better. A very "earthy" sound from such a high tech piece of machinery costing about a gizillion dollars!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 4):
The only problem I can see with our A320 fleet is that there needs to be another dunny on board, towards the front of the cabin.

That would be nice  Smile.

I suppose we can't have our cake and eat it. Or dump it in this case.

Apart from the fact that I haven't really flown on a narrowbody on the Tasman on a regular basis, there's nothing wrong with the A320. It does the job bread and butter.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
Then you heard wrong my friend.

Well after all NZ1 has the best view on this matter!

Cheers

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:34 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 4):
The only problem I can see with our A320 fleet is that there needs to be another dunny on board, towards the front of the cabin.

Isn't three lavatories the norm for A320s? Is it needed because it flies longer distances than the average A320?

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:34 pm

Isn't three lavatories the norm for A320s? Is it needed because it flies longer distances than the average A320? NZs A320s fly International routes of between 3-5 hours, could be longer. I think any extra toilets would come in very handy on those flights.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:09 pm

3 toilets onboard and 8/138 seats = 69 seats per toilet in Y, 1 toilet per 8 pax in C. I check them in all day long, I go onboard reasonably often and I'm very pleased with them. No issues except occasionally the type of passengers that ask for exit rows/bulkheads 'because they have long legs' complain because there
is absolutely no extra space in either row. Nevermind that's tough - if you're too tall for Y pay for C....
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:16 pm

I found the lack of toilets on the A320 anoying, but I put up with it. Weren't they going to get rid of Business class in it?

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:41 pm

How many loo´s are there in 737´s? Just curius, cuz if thats the only problem w/ 320 and the NZ kiwis I find this amusing.

Micke//SE  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting NZAA (Reply 15):
Weren't they going to get rid of Business class in it?

No...

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
How many loo´s are there in 737´s?

Three, or about 45 pax per lav.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:37 am

One reason NZ brought the A320 is that it can take containerized cargo. A relative who works in cargo says they aren't great for cargo but then again they probably aren't sposed to be for the routes they fly. There is something to do with refuelling aswell from what I have heard.

I flew my first A320 a few weeks ago on Freedom, aircraft was fine though rather boring I must admit, they don't have leather seats, and not even fold down TV screens.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:48 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 18):
they don't have leather seats, and not even fold down TV screens.

Thats why it is a budget airline.....go figure.

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:56 pm

Are SJ 320's going to Apia. An extra inch wider seat for an islander has got to be good.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:09 pm

Are SJ 320's going to Apia No because SJ don't fly to Apia, but NZ does

flew my first A320 a few weeks ago on Freedom, aircraft was fine though rather boring I must admit, they don't have leather seats, and not even fold down TV screens. Well SJ is a budget airline, so no 'thrills' there sorry
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:19 pm

777ER-Do the NZ320's have PTV's in Business class? and is there any move to put them in Economy or is it too heavy. Also somewhere they said the 763's were being upgraded?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:33 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
NZs A320s fly International routes of between 3-5 hours, could be longer. I think any extra toilets would come in very handy on those flights.

Imagine flying on one of these to Perth..

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 22):
Do the NZ320's have PTV's in Business class?

To my memory, they only have those portable DVD players which DJ and co. rent out to people during flights, and the overhead screens for safety demos etc.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:40 pm

777ER-Do the NZ320's have PTV's in Business class? and is there any move to put them in Economy or is it too heavy. Also somewhere they said the 763's were being upgraded? A320s don't have any PTVs, Only TV is the two that all the business passengers see on the front walls but you can rent personal DVD players on international routes, just like what DJ and SJ do. Last I knew there are no plans of introducing PTVs to A320 business class. B763s will all be retired in 5 years so no upgrade for the B767 fleet. Within about 3 years there will only be 2 B763s left, these will be retired when ZK-NZA and ZK-NZB (B787s) arrive in 2010.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:45 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 23):
Imagine flying on one of these to Perth..

Why would the A320 be flying to perth?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
A320s don't have any PTVs, Only TV is the two that all the business passengers see on the front walls but you can rent personal DVD players on international routes

Business Class passengers get provided with the personal DVD player, economy class passengers have an option to hire one for their flight.

The two large tv's in the business class cabin only show the safety video and flight map.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:48 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 19):
that's why it is a budget airline.....go figure

True but JQ and DJ both have leather seats. Also both airlines are introducing personal video screens (DJ in seat and JQ portable) for $5. I just flew WS and they had in seat, 25 channel, satellite TV for free!!! Oh you had to pay $1 for headphones of course  Smile

Also to all you NZ employees out there, I flew NZ four times (MEL - AKL, AKl - LAX and return) all on 744s in the past 3 weeks. Although the new cabins can't come fast enough the service on the ground and in the air was once again fantastic. Polite, friendly and relaxed yet professional. Also the food was great. Well done NZ.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:54 pm

Longer flights does not mean that there are longer lines/ waits for the lav. Say on a 3 hour flight 5 people use the lavs every 15 minutes on average. If the flight was 5 hours, the amount of people using the lavs in 15 mins will not change. They are independent events.

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 25):
The two large tv's in the business class cabin only show the safety video and flight map.

And destination feature.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:29 pm

NZ747 - not so certain whether you're looking at it from the right angle there. If we assume that most people go to the toilet, say, within the 2 hours before a flight departs, and that most people will then be able to go for a set ammount of time before needing to go again. So, while a 3 hour flight might only have a trickle (no pun intended) of people needing to use the bathroom, a 6 hour flight would probably find a great deal more of the passengers needing to go - more than double. At least that's how I would expect it works...

V/F
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:41 pm

It's always the way that once the meal/drink is served that everyone gets up straight after to use the bog. If people went at another time other than the half hour directly after the meal service they would find no queues at all. Oh well.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:46 pm

I flew on it last week, to Melbourne, my first trans-Tasman trip since I came back to NZ to live.

I thought it was comfy and spacious. I've always liked the A320.

I went to the lav when I could see no one was waiting. It isn't difficult to organize - you just look.

cheers

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:18 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
B763s will all be retired in 5 years so no upgrade for the B767 fleet. Within about 3 years there will only be 2 B763s left, these will be retired when ZK-NZA and ZK-NZB (B787s) arrive in 2010.

Not entirely true Jase. We own 5 763's and these will stay in the fleet for a while longer than 3 years. The remaining 4 will leave over the next 5 - 7 years, as their leases expire. The reason for not upgrading them in the 1st place is that with the extra weight, they are not mission capable to many of the asian routes we fly to.

Quoting B787 (Reply 26):
the service on the ground and in the air was once again fantastic. Polite, friendly and relaxed yet professional. Also the food was great. Well done NZ.

Thanks for the positive feedback. Glad you enjoyed your flight(s).

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:33 pm

787, I seem to have been living on the LA route at the moment - what date did you travel AKLLAX and LAXAKL? I may have been crewing your flight.

Glad you enjoyed it, regardless Big grin It's nice to hear such comments, particularly at a difficult time for us.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:36 pm

Thanks for clearing that up for me NZ1
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:36 pm

TG992

Just out of interest, how long do you get off from arriving in LAX before crewing a flight home again?

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:26 pm

Isn't it between 24-48 hours?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 32):
787, I seem to have been living on the LA route at the moment - what date did you travel AKLLAX and LAXAKL? I may have been crewing your flight.

I flew NZ 124 and NZ 06 on the 26/6, NZ005 on the 20/7 and straight onto NZ123 on the 22/7.

No probs about the positive feedback. Credit where credit is due.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:19 pm

NZ1 - if we're doing an AKL-LAX-AKL trip (duty times 13h 10 and 14h 15) we get two nights rest at LAX before returning.

If it's a trip up or back through the islands, we get only one nights rest due to the shorter flight time (ie 10Jul AKL-LAX, 11Jul LAX-NAN)

Thanks again B787 - I wasn't on your flights (nearly though!)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:03 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 31):
The reason for not upgrading them in the 1st place is that with the extra weight,

, regarding the 763's

NZ1, I understand that the 744 Refit on SUI increased the aircraft weight by 4600kg. To me that seems quite a lot of extra weight, and I guess now it will be less 4600kg payload capable, assuming NZ has not increased it's Certified Take Off Weights. Can you confirm NZ1, thanks.

Sorry a bit of track there for a minute, back to the A320.
I do think the A320 is a good machine for NZ. But I know they have Weight problems on the AKL-RAR, and AKL-APW sectors when weather is not good for the arrivals or Alternate Airports is also marginal, as extra fuel is required. Cargo has being left behind, and I have seen pax bags left behind also, on more than one occasion. I know the weather isn't bad all the time, but no problems with the 767 in the same situation.
Not a major problem I know, but any thought's anybody.

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RE: Air New Zealand A320s

Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:10 pm

Regarding the weight on SUI. Yes it is heavier, one of the reasons for converting the cargo holds to the new lightweight system (as on QF). AFAIK the max takeoff weight has not been increased. Iwill do a little digging and get back to you.

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