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Endair2000
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Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:16 pm

I seem to recall a good years back when Airtours international had 2 call signs, 'Tourjet' and 'Kestrel' What was the significance of this? and does any other airline have more than 1 call sign?
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:36 pm

British Airways they use 'Speedbird' and 'Shuttle'on flights to Glasgow, Edinburgh, Manchester to and from Heathrow.

Hope this helps

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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:57 pm

I guess you could count Air New Zealand in. Air NZ mainline use the callsign "New Zealand". Whilst the ANZ link operators use "Mount Cook","Eagle", and "Link" depending on the operator.
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:17 pm

Quoting EndAir2000 (Thread starter):
I seem to recall a good years back when Airtours international had 2 call signs, 'Tourjet' and 'Kestrel' What was the significance of this?

'Tourjet' was long haul 'Kestrel' was short haul

Hope this helps
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:47 am

SAS, or shall we say SAS Braathens. They use both Scandinavian and Scanor.
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:46 am

Why would an airline do this? Is it a matter of sharing one brand over multiple operating certificates.

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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:36 am

Non of the airlines have two, or multiple callsigns. What you are probably seeing is a partner company flying a operation, or codeshare for the mainline carrier.
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:41 am

For a time after Midway Airlines bought Air Florida, they kept that certificate operational and ran the 737s under the "Palm" call sign and the Midway Express brand, whereas they ran the DC9s on their original certificate and under the Midway Metrolink brand and the "Midway" call sign.

When Airtran bought ValuJet, didn't they keep that certificate operational for a while as well, and weren't some Airtran flights "Citrus" and some "Critter"?

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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:47 am

Didn't Independence Air do the same thing?
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:50 pm

I think a bit before (or a little after the JJ merger)

JAL and JAS belonged to the same group but still preserved their callsigns. JAL used Japanair while JAS used AirSystem.

I read at some point that on some routes, they still did it until fairly recently.
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:57 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
When Airtran bought ValuJet, didn't they keep that certificate operational for a while as well, and weren't some Airtran flights "Citrus" and some "Critter"?

IIRC as soon as they became one, Critter was dropped and Citrus was used exclusively. Prior to the merger, Air Tran could be heard on the radio as "Manatee"
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:07 am

Air Jamaica flights are referred to as "Jamaica" and occasionally as "Juliette Mike".

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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:03 am

At MAN, BA use, Shuttle and British. Shuttle being flights to/from LHR & LGW, British being the rest
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:22 am

Doesn't BA use "Speedbird" anymore?
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 13):
Doesn't BA use "Speedbird" anymore?

I believe BA use "speedbird" for their LHR/LGW international traffic. A lot of traffic from MAN is "British", this may be representitive of the BA/CitiFlyer express franchise, while "Shuttle" is limited to the major domestic routes linking LON with MAN/EDI/GLA etc.
However, 2 questions, GB airways has recently started to operate flights from MAN on behalf of BA, so do they have their own call-sign?
And who operates the MAN-JFK flight? because I'm, sure its call sign is British too
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:15 pm

OK everyone, I can now correct what I said in the last reply thanks to a trip to MAN viewing park this morning with my radio. BA actually use 4 callsigns at MAN;
Speedbird; On the MAN-JFK flight
Shuttle; On the LHR/LGW shuttles
British; On the European and Domestic routes operated by BA CitiFlyer express
GB; On the European routes operated by GB airways.

When you add in to the confusion all those different tail fin designs seen on many of the smaller aircraft at MAN, who'd be an air traffic controller!
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:18 pm

Speaking of callsigns. Who is using the callsign "Euromax" flying around the UK, sounds like they are using turboprops ?

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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:22 pm

I have heard FlyBe using 'Jersey', 'British' and 'FlyBe'.
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting JetCaptain (Reply 16):
Speaking of callsigns. Who is using the callsign "Euromax" flying around the UK, sounds like they are using turboprops ?

I think you mean Euromanx, flying from the Isle of Man. Operating turboprops and 2 avro RJ70's.
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:36 am

ASA, while not operating both call signs simultaneously, did switch a few years back from "Asea" to "Candler." Does anyone know the exact time of this changeover? IIRC, it had something to do with the Delta purchase, but not sure.
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:50 am

Billy, flybe use Jersey 99% of the time. They shouldn't use British if BA use it on some of their flights. I have heard flybe use "flybe" once, but the pilot corrected himself.
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:00 am

JAL uses "Japan Air" while JALWays uses "J-Ways" depending on which flight it's operating. However, the liveries may not always match. I've seen "J-Ways" flights with aircraft in JL colors, and vice-verse.
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 14):
However, 2 questions, GB airways has recently started to operate flights from MAN on behalf of BA, so do they have their own call-sign?
And who operates the MAN-JFK flight? because I'm, sure its call sign is British too

GB Airways use their own callsign which is 'Gee-Bee'

The MAN-JFK is operated by BA CitiExpress, and I'm sure it uses the British callsign.

The 'Speedbird' callsign is only used at MAN, on the LGW shuttle. 'Shuttle' is used on LHR ops

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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 22):
The MAN-JFK is operated by BA CitiExpress, and I'm sure it uses the British callsign.

What? They fly MAN-JFK with an ERJ?! Highly doubt it.
And I don't think BA and BA Citiflyer both hold traffic rights to the USA.
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting ClipperNo1 (Reply 23):
What? They fly MAN-JFK with an ERJ?! Highly doubt it.
And I don't think BA and BA Citiflyer both hold traffic rights to the USA.

They operate it with a 767, I think it belongs to mainline BA, but is operated and staffed by CitiExpress.
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:41 am

Jetset7E7, see my correction in reply 15

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 15):
OK everyone, I can now correct what I said in the last reply thanks to a trip to MAN viewing park this morning with my radio. BA actually use 4 callsigns at MAN;
Speedbird; On the MAN-JFK flight
Shuttle; On the LHR/LGW shuttles
British; On the European and Domestic routes operated by BA CitiFlyer express
GB; On the European routes operated by GB airways.

I accept what I though was GB was actually GeeBee though!
JFK flight was definitely "Speedbird", and it must be operated by BA themselves as there is no B767 in the CitiExpress fleet, see the link;

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/basubsid/public/en_gb
 
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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:45 am

>>I think you mean Euromanx, flying from the Isle of Man. Operating turboprops and 2 avro RJ70's.<<

Thanks Gg 190, that must be it.

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RE: Airlines With More Than 1 Call Sign?

Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:26 am

Jalways is a different carrier though the aircraft are common use within the JAL group.
For a short-time last year, JAL Domestic (formerly JAS) used "J-Wings", while JAL Int'l (formerly JAL) used "Japan Air." It's been standardized on "Japan Air" now. Japan Trans Ocean continues to use "J-Ocean" for their call-sign. There's a different call sign for their JAL Express flights & JAL commuter too. J-Air flights now use JAL flight numbers, so their call signs are no longer being used except for ferry flights. Talk about confusing.

For ANA group, all ANK operated flights are now ANA flight numbers, so "ANK Air" call-signs are only used on the NRT-TPE. The other subsidiary Air Nippon Network has "Alpha Wings" call sign. Much more simpler here.

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