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Corsair2
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Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:59 pm

Does Southwest schedule routes to use a specific 737 type? I flew from MDW-MHT on the -700 a couple times and noticed how much higher and faster it flies than the -300/500 types. Does SW deliberately use the -700 on certain routes or do they just use any 737 available?
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:01 am

Quoting Corsair2 (Thread starter):
Does Southwest schedule routes to use a specific 737 type? I flew from MDW-MHT on the -700 a couple times and noticed how much higher and faster it flies than the -300/500 types. Does SW deliberately use the -700 on certain routes or do they just use any 737 available?

i know they use the 733 on shorter routes along with the 300, but certain routes only the 700 can make it, range wise.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting Corsair2 (Thread starter):
Does SW deliberately use the -700 on certain routes or do they just use any 737 available?

The -700s are used on the longer routes (out of necessity) and from airports that have performance issues, like LAS and PHX in the summer, and MDW with its short runways and close-in obstacles. The -300s and -500s can operate out of these same airports, but are used for shorter flights.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:57 am

Just to avoid confusion (or possibly add to it?), -700s are not used only on long-haul flights. Every day, each aircraft is assigned to a route. There are -300, -500, and -700 routes that remain the same every day. The only thing that changes from day to day is the specific aircraft that will carry that route. A route for a -700 often has a combination of short and long flights. For example, a portion of a -700 route might look like PHX-SAN-BWI. PHX-SAN is a very short flight that a -300 could do. But because the next segment is SAN-BWI, the -700 is used.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:03 am

Also, WN has a deal with ISP I believe that WN will ONLY fly 737-700's due to the noise, unless emergency or something else says otherwise. So ull almost be guranteed a 73G everytime flying out of BWI.

I Have also noticed flights schedule during the weekday are different then the weekend and vice versa.

for example flight 338 STL-PHX is a 737-700 MON-FRI but on the weekend its a -300.

and MDW-STL Flight 351 is a -300 during the weekday but a -700 during the weekend.

etc etc..
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:18 am

Now that WN has retired the last -200, are there any -300 or -500 retirements in the next year or two?
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:44 am

Quoting BUFjets (Reply 5):
Now that WN has retired the last -200, are there any -300 or -500 retirements in the next year or two?

N300SW turns 21 this fall, and some rumors say that retirements will start in 2006; some say 2008. We'll know when it actually happens, I guess...  Wink
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:44 am

Ironic ya'll mention how the -700's are great for longer flights. I remember when our first -700 arrived in TPA. It was due to take out our morning ABQ flight. After we all (employees) had finished checking it out from top to bottom and being amazed by the beautiful cockpit, it was time to board.
Uh oh, problem. For several days we had some kind of problem with the weight and balance of the aircraft. ABQ was delayed everyday for the first few days until things got worked out  Smile
OPNLguy, do you remember anything about this?

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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting SWA TPA (Reply 7):
OPNLguy, do you remember anything about this?

I guess it's a symptom of old age, but while I do indeed recall some type of "teething" issue, I don't recall specifically what it was...
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:49 am

Guys imn retarded--when I posted BWI "a 73G everytime flying out of BWI" I meant ISP, not BWI.

Sorry!
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:50 am

This may sound stupid but given the different cockpit configurations, engines, even size and MTOW diffenences of the 733, 735 and 73G (737NG) is there a difference in the Type Rating that the PIC holds? Or is a 737 Rating good for all flavors (733,735,736,73G,738 and 739)?

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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting FlyingRPh (Reply 10):
This may sound stupid but given the different cockpit configurations, engines, even size and MTOW diffenences of the 733, 735 and 73G (737NG) is there a difference in the Type Rating that the PIC holds?

FlyingRPh, Southwest has had the displays on the -700's configured to display some of the data so that it resembles the -300/-500 analog cockpit in order to minimize type training. There is still some type training required but that modification really cuts it down.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
N300SW turns 21 this fall, and some rumors say that retirements will start in 2006; some say 2008. We'll know when it actually happens, I guess...

Hmmm... I wonder what they will replace them with??? Oops.. Wrong Thread...  Wink
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 12):
Hmmm... I wonder what they will replace them with??? Oops.. Wrong Thread... Wink

ya, NWA DC-9's that they will retire in 60 years.


Actually, seriously prolly, just newer -300's, and -700's and future 739X w/e Boeing came out with.

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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
Actually, seriously prolly, just newer -300's, and -700's and future 739X w/e Boeing came out with.

I disagree. I got to meet Herb last Friday and I specifically poked around the fleet replacement issue and he implied that they are going to stick with their current fleet of 733, 735 and 73G's until Boeing develops a 737-replacement. WN is chomping at the bit for Boeing to get going on this, because by the time it comes into service, WN's 73G's will be starting to show their age.

I just don't see WN getting the 739ER

For more information, check out my thread on the subject. Very good reading if I do say so myself!  Wink

https://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2233293/

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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:44 pm

I've actually come to love the 733 because the window seats typically have an outboard armrest that goes up (at least in the back row, which is where I am usually at).

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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:06 pm

The -700 with winglets is a rocket when taking off lite. Big grin
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:33 pm

I suppose the most difficult part of having two types of 737 airplanes so very similar but with some differences is that if a -700 is normally used for a route and a slower -300 is substituted the flight will run late. Maybe SW builds this into the route schedule because my -700 flights seem to arrive earlier than scheduled on the MDW-MHT route.

The planes seem analogous to my flying a Cessna 172SP and a Cessna 172R. I trained on the Cessna 172SP which has a higher hp engine. When all that is available to rent on a particular day is a lesser hp Cessna 172R I usually get mixed up with the power settings. Also the Cessna 172R will cost more due to the slightly lower speeds for a particular place I want to go. Two very similar airplanes, but subtle differences.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:41 pm

WN out of PIT is ALWAYS on a 737-700, even though PIT-MDW isn't really that long that even a little midjet RJ can pull off!
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:17 am

Quoting Corsair2 (Reply 17):
I suppose the most difficult part of having two types of 737 airplanes so very similar but with some differences is that if a -700 is normally used for a route and a slower -300 is substituted the flight will run late.

-300s are often substituted on certain segments of -700 routes if needed and vice versa. It's not uncommon. But you wont see a -300 take over a -700's long haul flight. I do not think the difference in speed is that significant to where a flight will be delayed due to a 737 type substitution on a leg that goes something like SJC-SAN.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:27 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
N300SW turns 21 this fall

You buying the young lady a drink? Big grin

Quoting FlyingRPh (Reply 10):
This may sound stupid but given the different cockpit configurations, engines, even size and MTOW diffenences of the 733, 735 and 73G (737NG) is there a difference in the Type Rating that the PIC holds? Or is a 737 Rating good for all flavors (733,735,736,73G,738 and 739)?

The 737 Type Rating is good on all types, with differences training required on the 732 (I would add the 731, but there are none left flying) and very minor differences training required on the non-analog-like 737NGs

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 19):
But you wont see a -300 take over a -700's long haul flight.

OPNLguy posted here specifically about a day he sent a 735 on BWI-LAX.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:00 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 19):
But you wont see a -300 take over a -700's long haul flight.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
OPNLguy posted here specifically about a day he sent a 735 on BWI-LAX.

Depends upon the usual variables. I had -300 PHL-LAX with 50 pax during the winter montsh, and it couldn't make it. No problem with the takeoff weights out of PHL, just that the jet stream was so strong that day that fuel capacity of the aircraft wasn't sufficient to make it....
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RE: Southwest 737-300 V. 737-700

Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:02 am

Reagrdless of what series of 737 you find yourself on...you are still stuck in a metal tube with a hundred-plus WN customers! Ewwww!
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