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Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:37 am

Hi all

I can't see a recent post on the subject looking at the subject headers so excuse me if I've missed it somewhere.

Just seen on the Yorkshire regional TV news that Thomsonfly have quit/are quitting service from Doncaster to Dublin due to the route being "not viable".

I didn't catch the full story but something about Ryanair was mentioned.

Might be of interest to someone.

Cheers,

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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
something about Ryanair was mentioned

In other words, Ryanair have undercut Thomsonfly and forced them off the route  Wink



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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:13 am

Not the first time Ryanair have driven the competition off a DUB route by predatory pricing. Ask bmi baby at EMA and, if memory serves, Mytravellite at BHX, it was the same drama.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:22 am

I suspect now they have killed off the competition, FR fares will go up as they have the monopoly. Poor passengers loose out and FR wins again
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:28 am

Is this predatory pricing by Ryanair, or just the viability of an airport in question. I still fail to see how Doncaster airport will 'take off' (apologies for the pun).
A new Airport opened in Sheffield less than 10 years ago, and it has been a flop, despite Sheffield being one of England's largest cities. As much as it pains me to say it as I am a proud Yorkshire man, but LBA will never be anything more than a regional airport (poor position), and as Sheffield has flopped, where is the success of Doncaster going to come from?
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:42 am

Steve,
The critical difference is that Sheffield City had a short runway (the design was based on LCY) and as a result service was only possible using turboprops and some regional jets that could meet the performance requirements.

The airport at Doncaster is already far ahead of what Sheffield City achieved in it's entire existance as a commercial airport - Doncaster's ability to attract low-cost airlines is the key difference between the 2 airports.

Sheffield City Airport should never have been built, Doncaster should have been transformed into a commercial airport 10 years ago instead.

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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:15 am

Now Sheffield is a General Aviation Airport! And a good one at that!


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Doncaster will grow I am sure. Ryanair are always pulling fast-ones like this. It's happening every year. They have got a Long-Haul Project from there next summer haven't they at Thomson?

Airtours are doing a Costa Blanca route from Doncaster next year, though I haven't been told if MYT will be flying the route or not. Going on the Airtours brochure, an Airline hasn't been assigned yet. If it works for them, maybe Airtours will start a few more routes! Then we will have Thomson, Airtours, Thomas Cook and Ryanair. I wonder what First Choice's view is on the Airport.

Give it time to get going, it is doing well at the moment. Does anyone have any info on load factors?

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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:45 am

Remember ? Aer Arann Express served Dublin with a Shed from Sheffield City......
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:24 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
A new Airport opened in Sheffield less than 10 years ago, and it has been a flop, despite Sheffield being one of England's largest cities. As much as it pains me to say it as I am a proud Yorkshire man, but LBA will never be anything more than a regional airport (poor position), and as Sheffield has flopped, where is the success of Doncaster going to come from?

For an airport to succeed it needs to have a large population with disposable income I don't know about the demographics of Sheffield. As said in previous messages it was based on LCY's design it means that the number of types that can operate out of the airport is restricted.

Doncaster's success is more likely to be from low cost carriers and possibly some of the charter carriers.

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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:53 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
I suspect now they have killed off the competition, FR fares will go up as they have the monopoly. Poor passengers loose out and FR wins again

Ryanair people are many things, but usually not stupid. If they did this they would fall foul of competition laws and would find themselves in Court pretty quickly.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:40 pm

They sail close to the wind though, often. Remember the Chareloi fiasco and the charging the disabled man case for a wheelchair?

Doncaster dosent have a very wealthy catchment area. This is old Labour territory where there are not too many in the high income bracket. Lots of poorly paid manual/factory workers.

The no-frills and charters to ALC and the like will work ok but I cannot see many business destinations or full service carriers moving in. This isnt an area like LBA which has a lot of business travellers. Doncaster is les wealthy than Leeds and so are its people.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:51 pm

I am flying this route this week, I hope they dont cancel, I have to make a connection in DUB. Just called them and they said they are still flying it.
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:08 pm

What you must remember is that businesses will compete and that the fittest will survive. OK, so you have the issue of undercutting the competition, but this is merely a device in the execution of competition. What we are omitting, intentionally or otherwise, is that there might be insufficient demand for two airlines on this route.
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:10 pm

I flew Doncaster CDG for the Paris airshow and back a few weeks back with Thomsonfly, I was very pleased with the service. Both flights were 80-90% full, but I imagine the load factors on the Dublin service with a 733 and a Ryanair 738 would not justify both services.

I was looking to go to Paris again later in the year and see the service has moved from CDG to ORY, I wonder why?
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:18 pm

Something I don't understand, they seem to be a lot cheaper than ryanair on this sector, so how come they are backing out?
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:31 pm

There is nothing on their website saying this either. It is odd.

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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:35 pm

Once Ryaniar have the business 'sewn up' particular on flights out of regional airports to Dublin, their prices go high, quite high.

Regularly the early and late flights from LBA-DUB are priced at £49 or £69 each way, exculsive of taxes and they can rise to well over £100 each way, even when booking a couple of weeks in advance.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:40 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 16):
Regularly the early and late flights from LBA-DUB are priced at £49 or £69 each way, exculsive of taxes and they can rise to well over £100 each way, .

But this is supply and demand. Of course the early and late flights will be that bit more. And the fare isn't that expensive.

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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:44 pm

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 8):
For an airport to succeed it needs to have a large population with disposable income I don't know about the demographics of Sheffield

South Yorkshire's not that bad, and improving, demographically. It's not as successful an economy as Gtr Manchester or West Yorkshire, but it still has over a million people. The original KLM uk AMS service was reported to be doing ok, from what I remember.

Sheffield City was a bit of a white elephant though; they should have developed Finningley in the first place.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
I cannot see many business destinations or full service carriers moving in. This isnt an area like LBA which has a lot of business travellers.

You'd think that maybe EDI, BHD and LCY might be viable from Sheffield or Doncaster.....? Having said that, Doncaster has fast ECML trains to Edinburgh.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:13 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 17):
But this is supply and demand. Of course the early and late flights will be that bit more.

Aye. To get the cheapest fares you really need to have foresight (i.e. plan and search well before flying, at least 14 days) and be very flexible (i.e. be willing and able to travel Tues-Thurs at any time). If you're flying at peak times, such as over the weekend (which includes Friday and can include a part of Monday), during holidays, etc., then expect higher fares, although exceptional deals can, if you're lucky, be available.
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RE: Thomsonfly Quits Doncaster-Dublin Service

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:22 am

hi
i flew with thomsonfly on the dsa-dub route last thursday and the flight was very busy, i knew that they were pulling the route at the end of the summer to free up the aircraft on more popular routes eg ski etc and has nothing to do with ryanair's position in the airport, although i guess any airline would play competition down a little. i dont think once its over, they will relaunch the doncaster-dublin service although i still believe the major reason for ceasing it is to free an aircraft up

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