Germanwings Opens It's Fourth Hub In Hamburg

Beaucaire · Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:20 am

The german lowcost airline Germanwings has decided to set up it's fourth hub in Hamburg ,dropping initial suggestions, it could also go to NUE or ZUR.
Germanwings will serve following destinations ex HAM :
-Munich
-Stockholm
-Cracovie
-Toulouse
-Basle/Mulhouse
-Zagreb
-London gatwick
-Oslo

Avianca · Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:21 am

sounds very good for HAM, the other 3 are STR, CGN and SXF ?

Beaucaire · Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
sounds very good for HAM, the other 3 are STR, CGN and SXF ?

yes - and they most likely will consider still another hub,which could well be abroad.

PanHAM · Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:33 am

Will they make that TLS flight from Finkenwerder? Wink

GAWZU · Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
-London gatwick

Strange - Having surrendered their LGW-CGN service, why not use STN where they already have established routes to CGN and STR? Perhaps the presence of FR to LBC is enough to put them off a STN-HAM route?

PADSpot · Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
yes - and they most likely will consider still another hub,which could well be abroad.

Well could then be their name "GERMANwings" be a problem? All other important LCCs have chosen a more neutral name for their company ...

PADSpot · Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting GAWZU (Reply 4):
Perhaps the presence of FR to LBC is enough to put them off a STN-HAM route?

FR's CEO O'Leary announced to withdraw from LBC in case the airport is not going to be upgraded as regards terminal capacity and runway length. As this is more and more becomming unlikely the chances for 4U at HAM are great ...

LGW · Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:36 am

Hi,

Where is this info from? I can't find any info on the Germanwings website

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

TheSonntag · Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:45 am

I do not think the name Germanwings is too much of a problem, Air Berlin for example is also succesful in Amsterdam and PMI, but as far as I know, Germanwings tried to secure other names with the ending -wings... So maybe we might see a Frenchwings (it would sound terrible, though!), Dutchwings or what else... Don't forget that Ryanair is also an Irish company, even though it is not that obvious (the harp is not regarded as an Irish symbol)

Anyway, I think that HAM was a good choice, and I think that they will be more succesful than in SXF which until now seems to be less succesful than they might have expected. HAM really needs more LCC connections!

Michael

Avianca · Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:48 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
yes - and they most likely will consider still another hub,which could well be abroad.

what about a hub in muc?

Beaucaire · Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 7):
Where is this info from? I can't find any info on the Germanwings website

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,368706,00.html

Sabena332 · Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:00 am

The HAM-TLS flight is definitely a good idea, I am sure it will be profitable because there are many Airbus employees who have to travel between the two Airbus plants.

Patrick

RJ100 · Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:01 am

I dont think they will fly to Basel/Mulhouse.

It is easyJet who flies on that route (daily as of next week with a rumoured twice daily service as of winter schedule).

Great news for Hamburg though.

Regards,
RJ100

Beaucaire · Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 12):
I dont think they will fly to Basel/Mulhouse.

It is easyJet who flies on that route (daily as of next week with a rumoured twice daily service as of winter schedule).

You are right - the editors of "Der Spiegel" were mixing up Easyjet and Germanwings- this means Germanwings will announce still one domestic destination in the next days without revealing which one..
Bets are NUE or STR....

TriStar500 · Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:05 am

This is very good news for the Hamburg region. Not only will the incumbent "traditional" carriers now have some competition, which is up to par with them in terms of central airport locations, routes and service, forcing them to lower prices. Also price-sensitive customers won't have to waste their money on FR alone anymore if they want to travel abroad at affordable fares from the region.

Seems like EasyJet waited just a little bit too long.

HMUcfm56 · Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:03 am

Good year for Hamburg. Seems that 10 Mio. pax for the first time are no problem in 2005 (9.893.703 in 2004)

Paulianer · Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:51 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
The HAM-TLS flight is definitely a good idea, I am sure it will be profitable because there are many Airbus employees who have to travel between the two Airbus plants.

I'm not sure about that... Don't forget that there is an airbus plant shuttle from XFW-TLS

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 13):
You are right - the editors of "Der Spiegel" were mixing up Easyjet and Germanwings- this means Germanwings will announce still one domestic destination in the next days without revealing which one..
Bets are NUE or STR....

STR-HAM is already served by 4U, so it could be NUE, but DBA has also annouced that route a few days ago. Since 4U want to fly HAM-MUC (LH competetion?) maybe they'll do HAM-FRA???

Anyway, great for HAM. Finally I can benefit from the lcc boom Big grin

Cheers from HAM
Tobi

Avianca · Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 16):
I'm not sure about that... Don't forget that there is an airbus plant shuttle from XFW-TLS

do not forget familys etc that will travel on the route for visiting there relatives working for a time in TLS for Airbus....

HMUcfm56 · Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 16):
I'm not sure about that... Don't forget that there is an airbus plant shuttle from XFW-TLS

and the shuttle HAM-TLS

Quoting Avianca (Reply 17):
do not forget familys etc that will travel on the route for visiting there relatives working for a time in TLS for Airbus....

and the other way...don´t think that the employees who work in TLS for a longer period can use the shuttle each weekend!

heisan67 · Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:23 am

But wont Germanwings then operates route that Lufthansa already operates? Is Germanwings private owned, or LH-owned?

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that LH did control Germanwings....so why fly to the same destinations from Hamburd to eg Oslo?

Avianca · Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 19):
But wont Germanwings then operates route that Lufthansa already operates? Is Germanwings private owned, or LH-owned?

isn´t germanwings ownd by Eurowings? And Eurowings by Lufthansa?

HMUcfm56 · Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):
isn´t germanwings ownd by Eurowings? And Eurowings by Lufthansa?

that´s correct. germanwings is owned by eurowings.
and lufthansa owns 49% of eurowings

sobelair · Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:00 pm

Hi

Anyone knows the frequency of flights from Hamburg to Zagreb?

These are simply great news. They mean more flights into Zagreb this! ;o)

Udo · Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:40 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 14):
Also price-sensitive customers won't have to waste their money on FR alone anymore if they want to travel abroad at affordable fares from the region.

Indeed. Who would waste his money for a sub-standard airline flying from LBC right into the middle of nowhere while 4U operates into primary airports from HAM?

Regards
Udo

backfire · Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:59 pm

I heard that Warsaw and Istanbul are among 11 routes they'll open from Hamburg.

Beaucaire · Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:07 pm

Interestingly enough Lusthansa ( sorry -Lufthansa..) will make another announcement regarding their own low-cost counter-proposal in Hamburg this week.
It is expected that LH will offer special-priced seats on availability basis to counter Ryanair and Germanwings !LH will not introduce their own LCC- airline but rather maximise yield based on free seats on existing flights.
All off a sudden HAM becomes the center of the german airline-developement activity- Easyjet is still overdue with the revelation of their expected third base in Germany..

LGW · Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:37 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for the link.

Does anyone know when 4U will offcially announce their HAM base and when seats will be availabel to book?

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

Paulianer · Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:45 pm

Quoting LGW (Reply 26):
Does anyone know when 4U will offcially announce their HAM base and when seats will be availabel to book?

Should be bookable on Wednesday, maybe 4U will announce on their website the same day???

here's another link, sorry only in german language
http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2005/08/08/467979.html

Cheers from HAM
Tobi

pelican · Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:46 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 25):
It is expected that LH will offer special-priced seats on availability basis to counter Ryanair and Germanwings !LH will not introduce their own LCC- airline but rather maximise yield based on free seats on existing flights.

Are you sure about that? Why should LH counter 4U. 4U is in a way LH's LCC.
Germanwings is, as already stated by HMUcfm56, owned by Eurowings, and LH own 49% of the shares of Eurowings.

pelican

Beaucaire · Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:58 pm

Quoting Pelican (Reply 28):
Are you sure about that? Why should LH counter 4U. 4U is in a way LH's LCC.
Germanwings is, as already stated by HMUcfm56, owned by Eurowings, and LH own 49% of the shares of Eurowings.

pelican

Sorry it's in german but describes the philosophy of the move...

http://www.faz.net/s/RubEC1ACFE1EE27...472E438~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

LGW · Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:58 pm

Tobi,

Thanks for the link.

I maybe over on your patch soon then with direct flights from LGW Smile

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

johnnybgoode · Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:13 pm

LH is indeed going to test some sort of new low-fare strategy from HAM. I am not familiar with the details, but i understand that LH would dedicate some additional aircraft at HAM and significantly increase earning capacity while at the same time employing a dedicated low-fare strategy. However, the information linked to by Beaucaire's post seems to be in addition to this new strategy.

I assume that LH is quite annoyed by 4U moving into HAM. although LH indirectly owns 4U, it does not control in anyway network or strategy of 4U.

cheers
daniel

pelican · Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:22 pm

Very informative. But I think they don't want to counter 4U but LCCs in General. And their share of 4U could act as a kind of safeguard in case they can't withstand the pressure from FR, AB, U2...

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 29):
Sorry it's in german but describes the philosophy of the move...

No problem at all...

pelican

Paulianer · Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:59 pm

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 30):
I maybe over on your patch soon then with direct flights from LGW

@ Ben: Drop me a line when you're heading to HAM. I'll try to show you around then. When you want to do HAM choose the weekend. XFW is only worth during the week.

BTW, LGW is now on my priority list Big grin

Cheers from HAM
Tobi

StarFlyer · Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:20 pm

Quoting HMUcfm56 (Reply 21):
lufthansa owns 49% of eurowings

This is not correct.

Shareholders as of 02.2005

Eurowings Luftverkehrs AG
1. DR. ALBRECHT KNAUF BETEILIGUNGS GMBH & CO. KG 75,09
2. DEUTSCHE LUFTHANSA AKTIENGESELLSCHAFT 24,90
3. KNAUF, ALBRECHT DE

Source: Creditreform

Anyway, good to see more flights out of HAM. And I am really looking forward to more LH flights out of HAM as well...

Thomas_Jaeger · Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:28 pm

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 31):
I assume that LH is quite annoyed by 4U moving into HAM. although LH indirectly owns 4U, it does not control in anyway network or strategy of 4U.

I am sure that if LH would object against a specific route, 4U would not be allowed to sell it.

pelican · Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:38 pm

Quoting StarFlyer (Reply 34):
Shareholders as of 02.2005

Eurowings Luftverkehrs AG
1. DR. ALBRECHT KNAUF BETEILIGUNGS GMBH & CO. KG 75,09
2. DEUTSCHE LUFTHANSA AKTIENGESELLSCHAFT 24,90
3. KNAUF, ALBRECHT DE

Source: Creditreform

Unfortunately Creditreform is wrong. HMUcfm56 is right. LH owns 49% of the Eurowings shares.

Here is a quote from the annual report of Eurowings from 2004:
Deutsche Lufthansa AG, Cologne, informed us that it has increased its share held since 2001 in Eurowings Luftverkehrs AG from previously
24.9 per cent to 49.0 per cent effective 1st April 2004.

http://www.eurowings.com/images/Geschaeftsbericht2004.pdf
page 60

BTW there is no reason to use bold letters...

pelican

[Edited 2005-08-08 13:41:46]

StarFlyer · Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting Pelican (Reply 36):
Quoting StarFlyer (Reply 34):
Shareholders as of 02.2005

Eurowings Luftverkehrs AG
1. DR. ALBRECHT KNAUF BETEILIGUNGS GMBH & CO. KG 75,09
2. DEUTSCHE LUFTHANSA AKTIENGESELLSCHAFT 24,90
3. KNAUF, ALBRECHT DE

Source: Creditreform

Unfortunately Creditreform is wrong. HMUcfm56 is right. LH owns 49% of the Eurowings shares.

Here is a quote from the annual report of Eurowings from 2004:
Deutsche Lufthansa AG, Cologne, informed us that it has increased its share held since 2001 in Eurowings Luftverkehrs AG from previously
24.9 per cent to 49.0 per cent effective 1st April 2004.

http://www.eurowings.com/images/Geschaeftsbericht2004.pdf
page 60

BTW there is no reason to use bold letters...

pelican

[Edited 2005-08-08 13:41:46]

I stand corrected. Normally we verify Creditreform when doing research. As this example shows, this is certainly necessary.

Now about the bold letters, don't be picky, mate.

Cheers

Paulianer · Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:59 pm

Announcement is just made on www.germanwings.com, in german only at the moment...

http://www36.germanwings.com/de/00/2057_9828.html

Tickets are bookable on Wednesday 6 p.m. CET

Cheers from HAM
Tobi

squirrel83 · Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:25 am

Just recived an email this morning - -

IN english!

9 NEW destinations from Hamburg
Bookable from Wednesday, 6pm CET

Germanwings is extending its network to integrate the city of Hamburg as a regional hub, initially situating two aircraft at the city's main airport of Fuhlsbüttel, which is just a 20 minute drive from the city centre. Germanwings will be offering flights to and from Hamburg - northern Germany's economic powerhouse, claimed by many to be the country's most beautiful city - at bargain prices, starting at just 19 euros* including all taxes and charges.

Direct flights will be offered between Hamburg and the following destinations starting with the winter 2005/6 timetable:

Istanbul, Krakow, London (Gatwick), Munich,
Oslo, Stockholm, Toulouse, Warsaw, Zagreb

There are plans to add further destinations from the existing Germanwings network as direct flights from Hamburg in the near future.

Bookings can be made on our new Hamburg routes from 6pm (CET) on 10 August.
Be one of the first to book our new low cost fares from Hamburg!

johnnybgoode · Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 35):
I am sure that if LH would object against a specific route, 4U would not be allowed to sell it.

that is an obvious guess, i understand, but that's not what's happening. when 4U opened up CGN-MUC LH did not like it at all but they swallowed the pill. in the end, 4U is making money and that is a good argument.

rgds
daniel

RJ100 · Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:55 pm

Jesus Christ Hamburg!

easyJet just announced that they will announce new routes ex Hamburg on Thursday!

Thursday is also the first flight to HAM, currently 133 passengers booked on the flight from Basel. Seems like a good start.

Regards,
RJ100

Paulianer · Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:24 pm

Lufthansa will also base 4 additional Boeing 737 at HAM with 6 new destinations:

Budapest
Göteburg
Madrid
Budapest
Prag
Nizza

All 23 detinations from HAM will be offered for € 99,- roundtrip, they talk about 3.000 tickets a day for all destination flying from HAM.

What a competition now at the former lcc weak HAM...

Cheers
Tobi

HT · Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:38 pm

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 42):
Lufthansa will also base 4 additional Boeing 737 at HAM with 6 new destinations:

There´s thread LH Expands 40% In HAM (by JoFMO Aug 8 2005 in Civil Aviation) for this already ...
-HT

RJ100 · Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:51 pm

Other sources now speak of a EZY base to be announced in Hamburg on Thursday with 6 new routes! After the Reeperbahn, also the airport becomes a hot place! Big grin

RJ100

richardw · Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:05 pm

any U2 announcement yet?

RJ100 · Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:41 pm

I think a delegation of EZY will be on the inaugural flight from BSL to HAM today and will make a press conference in HAM later that day.

But no, the HAM base is not official yet.

Regards,
RJ100

Paulianer · Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:01 pm

Inaugural flight EZS1027 from BSL is scheduled to arrive at 13:45h

Cheers from HAM
Tobi

SAS_A330-300 · Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:44 pm

Ok, it seems that you can't book any flights to/from HAM at the moment. I was really exited to see the schedules. Sad

RJ100 · Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:29 pm

Now easyJet just declared not to build up a base in HAM! Sad

Probably they got wet feet because of LH and Germanwings.

RJ100

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