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Tittlemouse
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All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:19 pm

Just seen breaking news on BBC Online!

Not good hey?

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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:28 pm

I just saw it too. I wonder why they have done thins.

[Edited 2005-08-11 16:28:51]
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:39 pm

Apparently BA check-in staff and baggage handlers are staging a wild cat strike (!) because they think the lack of food is a 'health and safety issue'!

Unbelievable. Illegal strike action is what got BA into this mess in the first place, how is pissing off customers even more going to help matters? Way to go unions.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:46 pm

BA have suspended all check in at LHR due to workers taking unofficial action. They've said it's pretty chaotic at the moment. It seems baggage handlers and check in staff have taken it upon themselves to declare a health and safety issue in a field they have no knowledge of. Flight crew can legitimate strike in a situation like this, but I can't see how fucking baggage handlers can get away with it.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:53 pm

It's too bad they cannot fine these idiots something like 2 days/shift's pay for each day they protest and would be inelligable for overtime during the make up work. They fail to realize that this can not only hurt their jobs but also hurt their country. That's all the UK needs to do is to go back to the 'labour's not working' days of the 1970's that ruined the country.
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
they think the lack of food is a 'health and safety issue'

No food where exactly??

Are there no food outlets in T4?? Or am I missing the point here??  Confused


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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:56 pm

There are not enough food outlets in T4 to be able to cater for all the passengers who fly through there each day.
I was there this morning and passengers did seem to be quite ok with the situation.

Pret-a-manger is having a bumper day.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:59 pm

OH !!! OH !!! Are the Brits adopting the "French Model" ?  rotfl 
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:00 am

The UK's worst nightmare has come true...


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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:03 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 5):
No food where exactly??

Are there no food outlets in T4?? Or am I missing the point here??

No food on the flights, and the restaurants are running out. In which case, it's an issue only if the passenger thinks it is. If I were flying, I wouldn't mind catching the HE to T3 and loading up on sandwiches, providing BA compensated me. For a bloody baggage handler to prevent people flying is ridiculous.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:05 am

Phew thank god I weren't up LHR lol. No BA at LHR =No good !

Stupid workers!

Get a grip!

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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:07 am

If BA baggage handlers and check-in staff are striking because they sympathise with the Gate Gourmet workers (as stated on the Sky News website), then surely this is illegal? Correct me if I am wrong, but did not Margaret Thatcher make strikes such as these illegal?
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 11):
If BA baggage handlers and check-in staff are striking because they sympathise with the Gate Gourmet workers (as stated on the Sky News website), then surely this is illegal? Correct me if I am wrong, but did not Margaret Thatcher make strikes such as these illegal?

What the Gate Gourmet workers did was illegal, and the only way what the BA staff are doing can be thought of as legal is if they have a geniune health and safety concern.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:12 am

Ridiculous - apparently the TGWU representative said they were going on strike in order to get BA to pressurise GateGourmet to come back to the negotating table.

Fools - all they are doing is damaging their own airline. Its not BA who has sacked these workers, but they are causing problems for their own company. I hope BA dock them their pay for the time they are out. They don't deserve to be paid.

I hope this sudden walkout is unconnected to the fact that its been a lovely sunny day today.....
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:20 am

See also:-
Problems With BA Catering At LHR? (by ManxATP Aug 10 2005 in Civil Aviation)

To me any 'action by BA staff in support of Gate Gourmet' is illegal as mentioned earlier - something in the line of 'secondary' action - in other words striking for somebody else's argument!

Interesting that the sackings at Gate Gourmet started with them losing the contract to cater for Virgin Atlantic flights. Ironic!
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:25 am

Instead of sending aircraft across the world with no catering,
why don't they drop the aircraft into Manchester or other UK
airports to uplift catering? This might add an hour to a flight
but would be better than pax going hungry for that length of
time surely...
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:25 am

It seems to me that the restaurants and cafes etc in T4 would be in danger of running out of food themselves, thereby compounding the problem. wqould also imagine that the lines to buy the food are a mile long and that the restaurants and cafes have not hired extra people to handle the large crowds. All this is happening in August and the height of the summer travel season.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 14):
To me any 'action by BA staff in support of Gate Gourmet' is illegal as mentioned earlier - something in the line of 'secondary' action - in other words striking for somebody else's argument!

But what can BA do? Sacking them is out of the question (although I bet quite a lot of the management, quite rightly, want to). They won't be able to find a new catering supplier for a while. They just have to try and convince the striking morons that their striking isn't helping anyone.

Luckily, they should have insurance that covers the immense losses they'll make.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:34 am

I now have the BBC Online link

Looks messy!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4142408.stm

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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:34 am

Put yourselves in BA check-in staff's shoes though. They've probably been getting mountains of abuse. I'd walk out too.

As for baggage handlers.......any excuse and they're out.
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:41 am

Interesting that ALL BA Check-in 'has been suspended'

Particularly, as the Gate Gourmet dispute has absolutely nothing to do with BA.

Also, BA T1 people have now got themselves involved when their flights are not even affected!!!

Wasn't it them who caused all the disruptive problems last year?
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 15):
Instead of sending aircraft across the world with no catering,
why don't they drop the aircraft into Manchester or other UK
airports to uplift catering? This might add an hour to a flight
but would be better than pax going hungry for that length of
time surely...

Manchester? sprry but with the other companies based at heathrow why dont they use them.....which I guess they will do but obviously these companies need time to up their supplies to help supply another large airline when they werent expecting it....much the same as any company would in manchester...sorry but I dont see going via manchester as a viable option.
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:50 am

Given that I am BA check-in staff at T4 and just came off shift, I can say that the action that started this afternoon was not started by check-in staff. All members of T4 Passenger Services who were there were being allocated as normal and check-in was proceeding until management made the decision to suspend all check-in as other sections had taken action and there was no way for us to get flights loaded or moved on the ground. Up until the time I left, check-in agents and queue and self service hosts were in place and waiting to resume check-in. I was informed a short time ago that in an effort to avoid staff facing abusive passengers, all staff were then pulled until things are sorted in the other sections.

Do not go on bashing check-in staff when they are not the cause of this.
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:57 am

Thanks Speedbird2155 - at last some details as to exactly what is going on!

Suspending check-in seems a sensible option if cancellations are on the cards- it may seem more frustrating for the customer; but if the inevitable happens and flights get cancelled it saves hours of waiting for the bags to be retrieved and given back.

Let's hope this whole mess gets sorted out soon, for the sake of everyone (customers, staff and companies).
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 22):
Do not go on bashing check-in staff when they are not the cause of this.

Hear hear!!

I have visions of Mr. Insensed of Esher being told there's no food on his flight to JFK. From experience, the wealthier the customer, the more bloody insufferable they can be. Generalisation, I know.

Quoting Unitedgirlie (Reply 21):
sorry but I dont see going via manchester as a viable option.

I think this was just an example of what might solve the problem........that's all
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting Unitedgirlie (Reply 21):
Manchester? sprry but with the other companies based at heathrow why dont they use them

Yes fine - but they won't find enough spare capacity and the answer is to
spread out the load. This is one way of doing it, and there are precedents such as the fuel strike in Paris a couple of years ago where flights were routed via various airports to uplift fuel. Mind you, this is academic if the flights can't operate in the first place!
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:03 am

I just heard from my BA sales rep that inbound BA flights to LHR are being diverted, but she didn't know where they were being sent.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:03 am

Well, that's another contract loss for Gate Gourmet, I think they will slip under now.

I don't think any airline catering company is making a profit, even LH Sky Chef is losing millions.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:08 am

has anything progressed? are there still lines/cancellations or are things returning back to normal?
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:12 am

I have a sister who is stuck in TERM.1 She is supposed to to LA on a BA flight that should have taken off at around 15:05 GMT...

Any news on when they will fly again??

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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:16 am

I guess nearly every person here is an aviation enthusiast, but many are also airline employee's.It's true that this action is related to the Gate Gourmet problems, but what i guess most people don't know are the facts.
Yesterday GG sacked nearly 500 of their workforce after negotiations between GG and TGWU broke down rearding contracts/pay.
What GG wanted to do was to change certain conditions and pay.
Many people at GG are ex BA employees when the company was sold off to a division of Swissair several years agoand we all know how well Swissair managed their businesses.
Today GG employee around 100 agency staff to try and cope with the problems , however nearly all are non-unionised and are wearing the incorrect clothing /footwear to work around aircraft/airside,thus causing the Health and safety problems.
All BA staff are doing is following the correct procedure with regard to the H&S issues, and at the same time showing their strong SOLIDARITY with the sacked GG workers.

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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 30):
and are wearing the incorrect clothing /footwear to work around aircraft/airside,thus causing the Health and safety problems.

Sorry, this is total unadulterated bullshit. Passenger service and flight staff wear uniforms that are nothing other than stylized business suits. What protection does that afford them? Get real! What do you expect catering staff to wear - Hazmat suits? Gate Gourmet laid off staff due to the loss of a major contract. Staging an illegal industrial action not only does not help the laid off workers, it only puts remaining jobs in further jeopardy.

[Edited 2005-08-11 18:28:07]
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:33 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 31):
Sorry, this is total unadulterated bullshit. Passenger service and flight staff wear uniforms that are nothing other than stylized business suits. What protection does that afford them? Get real! What do you expect catering staff to wear

Get a grip PA110, and get some knowedge of the situation at LHR. Who said pax services and the flight staff were not wearing the correct gear??

FYI THICK SHIT PA110, Catering staff are required to wear all the correct protective gear including Toe-Tectors and hi-viz jackets.

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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:35 am

Quoting EurofleetLHR (Reply 23):
if the inevitable happens and flights get cancelled it saves hours of waiting for the bags to be retrieved and given back.

Actually that's one reason that check-in was suspended.....there was no way to get the bags back to them today as the baggage guys/loaders were part of the walk out. Accepting bags would therefore mean that these passengers in addition to the arrivals that came in around mid afternoon would have been without there bags and it would be more bags to try to sort and deliver to passengers. It was deemed easier not to check anyone in and see how things go during the evening.
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:47 am

Anyone know where inbounds are being diverted to? I am waiting on BA164 from TLV tonight. Thanks
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:47 am

Let's not let this develop into a slanging match guys...

Staff working on the ramp are governed by strict Health and Safety regulations which include hi-viz clothing, without which they can be stopped from working. These regulations may (or may not) be different from those which prevail in the US. If a company really is contemplating putting staff out to work on the ramp without basic PPE (hi-viz, ear defenders etc.) then really they shouldn't be in business on the ramp in the first place. That isn't expressing any opinion as to the rights and wrongs of the dispute, just the rules of airside operation.

No doubt this situation is very emotive for all those involved. I have every sympathy for the passengers caught up in this, and as for the airline - well didn't this airline announce they were dropping eight routes from MAN today?
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:55 am

Following flights have diverted into Luton:
BA879 St Petersburg 17:16 17:30 Landed 17:24
BA254 Lusaka 17:29 17:35 Landed 17:30
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:09 am

Quoting GVBIG (Reply 36):
Following flights have diverted into Luton:
BA879 St Petersburg 17:16 17:30 Landed 17:24
BA254 Lusaka 17:29 17:35 Landed 17:30

any heavies landing at STN or LTN??
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:30 am

BBC News just reported that ALL BA flights from LHR are now cancelled.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 37):
any heavies landing at STN or LTN??

I didn't think LTN could take heavies, but it looks like it's just taken a Lusaka flight (763)

Noticed nothing unusual over the skies of Manchester, which often serves as diversionary airport for LHR
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:34 am

BA 641 from ATHENS diverted STANSTED-122 pax 757
BA 873 from MOSCOW diverted CARDIFF-199 pax 767
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:45 am

BA 889 from TRIPOLI diverted to BRISTOL-320 117 pax on board
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:54 am

BA 008 from TOKYO en route to CARDIFF ETA 1930 744
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:58 am

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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:59 am

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 32):
Catering staff are required to wear all the correct protective gear including Toe-Tectors and hi-viz jackets.

My apologies, having worked passenger services I know anyone working ramp requires these items. That still does not justify BA staff stopping work due to Gate Gourmet's problems.
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:02 am

I wish BA could fire the whole lot. If there is some legitimate reason for this action, would someone please tell me. I am sure someone who is an a.net member can explain this asinine action.
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:03 am

BA 238 from BOSTON enroute to GLASGOW about to land any time now
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:08 am

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BA 224 from WASHINGTON enroute to CARDIFF ETA 1915 Boeing 777
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
It's too bad they cannot fine these idiots something like 2 days/shift's pay for each day they protest and would be inelligable for overtime during the make up work

A more sensible solution would be to sack each and every one of the strikers.

BA don't need any excuses to trim staff numbers to cut costs in view of their spiralling fuel bill. By striking unofficially, all these guys are doing is putting their own names at the very top of Willie's hit list for the next round of redundancies.

When that happens all we will hear are allegations of victimisation and unfair treatment....I have only one word as a repost-TOUGH.
 
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RE: All BA T4 Check-ins Suspended!

Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:18 am

Legitimate strike action is one thing, walking out "in support" is another. If the union don't do something about these idiots then my union card goes in the shredder.

GG staff may or may not have a legitimate reason for industrial action. The baggage handlers certainly do not. They won't be happy until the airline goes tit's up and then they can go back to scrounging off the state.

And it will add grist to Willie Walsh's mill when he starts to make cuts. I just hope he leaves the subsidiaries alone when he does start. If I lose my job ultimately because of what these prats have started then I will not be a happy bunny!

And it's BACX that is losing the routes from MAN. If anyone has a legitimate grouse about BA it's us. Not the sodding baggage handlers at LHR!

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