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TAM Orders Airbus A321

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:21 pm

TAM has placed an order for 4 Airbus A321, as part of it's fleet renovation for the future.

TAM will be the first airline in Latin America to operate the Airbus model.
The order also includes 11 Airbus A320 and 5 A319-100. With this, TAM expects to finally phase out it's Fokker 100 fleet for good.

Source: www.jetsite.com.br

Good to know we'll be seeing the A321s here in Brazil for the first time! I had always wondered why TAM hadn't ordered them yet, since they are going for an all-Airbus fleet and the A321 always seemed a good choice for short, high-density routes here in Brazil.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:35 pm

Hi!

That would be quite a natural further step for TAM. Great airline, great service, great fleet. I flew them in June 2004, not the Airbus but the Fokker 100. I had a great time flying with them from Curitiba to Asuncion! I wonder where they will fly with the A321, high density? Like São Paulo/Rio?
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Thread starter):
TAM will be the first airline in Latin America to operate the Airbus model

I thought the first Latin airline to operate the A321 would be TACA. If I'm not mistaken they are expecting some A321's by the end of this year.
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:32 pm

Can the A321 be used at CGH and SDU to add capacity at peak times? Or is it too large for those airports?
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting B757200 (Reply 2):
I thought the first Latin airline to operate the A321 would be TACA.

 yes  According to this press release, the first A321 is scheduled to arrive in Sept. 2005.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 4):
According to this press release, the first A321 is scheduled to arrive in Sept. 2005.

I wasn't wrong, then. Hope to see one of those A321's in CCS soon  Wink.
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:03 am

This is part of the order announced back in the Paris Airshow, which also includes 8 A359s and 7 options.

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 3):


Can the A321 be used at CGH and SDU to add capacity at peak times? Or is it too large for those airports?

No, not in SDU. JJ does even operate the A320 there. CGH can handle A330s & B767s, just nobody flies them into CGH (NIMBYs and noise I guess).

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edit: wrong number of A350s ordered.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
had a great time flying with them from Curitiba to Asuncion! I wonder where they will fly with the A321, high density? Like S�o Paulo/Rio?

Possible domestic destinations:

GRU (maybe CGH)BSB/POA/GIG/SSA/REC/CNF/MAO

EZE and SCL could see them as well.

That's what I see as the most likely, but who knows...

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 6):
No, not in SDU. JJ does even operate the A320 there.

Thanks--that's what I figured, since I know SDU is quite small. Didn't realize that CGH could accommodate larger aircraft though.
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 8):
Didn't realize that CGH could accommodate larger aircraft though.

Before GRU was inaugurated, back in 1985 (is that correct?), TransBrasil used to operate a weekly (if I'm not mistaken) CGH-BSB-MCO flight, which, until nowadays, remains as the only regular international flight ever operated trought CGH! The equipment was the 767-200.

Also, when TAM took delivery of their first A330, they flew it to CGH, made some low fly-byes and then landed.

Last, but not least, VASP used to take their A300B2s for maintanance in CGH.

So, yes, CGH can accommodate larger aircraft... Wink

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Reply 9):

LH operated convairs into CGH, as well as Pan Am (DC-6s and DC-7s), Braniff, AZ, Iberia and AF had flights to CGH (note: all this is before the jets came into play). Not to mention national carriers: Panair, Real, Nacional, Aerovias, Varig, Cruzeiro, Loide, Vasp, Varig, Sadia, etc.

Once VCP ( now CPQ ) opened in Campinas, in 1960 (enter jet age), only South American flights remained in CGH as far as international goes, mostly AR ops I think. GRU opened 25 years later, in 1985.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:37 am

Austral Lineas Aereas:


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Some more cool pictures of CGH back then:

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/galeria/album/p_congonhas_01.shtml

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:49 am

The 321 may suffer from some payload restrictions operating out of some of the hot/high airfields in South America. The 757 is much more efficient for the operating environment in South America and has the excess power for the job.

Trouble for TAM was it already had the 319/320 so had to opt for the 321
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
Trouble for TAM was it already had the 319/320 so had to opt for the 321

Had they gone for the (not anymore newly built available) B757, they'd have been in the same category as airlines like HP, US, BA or NW, all of which operate both A319/A320 and B757, with NW even ordering further B757s after they already had A320-series planes.

They'll know the limitations of the A321, and given TAM's profitability, they seem to know quite well what they're doing - and it seems that they either didn't want second hand B757s, or they simply didn't consider the extra power as necessary.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:14 am

PPVRA: excellent link on the old time photos! Weird to see Congonhas and absolutely nothing around it......compared to nowadays....
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:23 am

Quoting FMAL (Reply 14):

No problem FMAL! And it is weird to see nothing at all around it!!


And look what I found in that link:




PT-MVA or B taking-off (or maybe a fly by) from CGH on their delivery flight!!

Question: Were there PAX in that flight?

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 15):
Question: Were there PAX in that flight?

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Hey PPVRA,

First of all, thanks for all that info on CGH...!

I forgot to mention something, though... When I mentioned the TR flight CGH-BSB-MCO, and I forgot to add that is still remains as the only regular international flight operated from CGH with wide-body aircraft.  Smile

Anyway, thanks for the link!

Oh, and I believe the only passengers on that TAM A330 flight to CGH were from the media, as well as employees and some crew, all returning from Toulouse!

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Reply 9):

I don´t think this flight happened before 1985, TR did operate flights from BSB to MIA and MCO in the 90´s (I think from 1993-1997), but before that BSB did not have international airport status. I still remember when it got international status in the early 90´s, there was a ceremony with the president (Itamar Franco) and then TR started flights to MIA,MCO,JFK and IAD. The flights started in GIG,CNF and GRU at different points. Maybe the routing was CGH-GIG-MCO.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Thread starter):
TAM will be the first airline in Latin America to operate the Airbus model.

Ahemm....TA.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
The 321 may suffer from some payload restrictions operating out of some of the hot/high airfields in South America.

TAM doesnt fly to any of this airports (LPZ, CUZ (extreme) or BOG, UIO (tough)) except SCL, and that can be covered with an A320.
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:41 am

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Thread starter):
TAM will be the first airline in Latin America to operate the Airbus model.

Wrong. TA will be the first... Anytime soon!
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
The 321 may suffer from some payload restrictions operating out of some of the hot/high airfields in South America. The 757 is much more efficient for the operating environment in South America and has the excess power for the job.

Let us not forget that 757s don't come off the assembly line anymore. So if they wanted 757s, it would have to be second hand ones.

The payload restrictions shouldn't be an issue because Brazil has several busy markets with block times around 2h, such as GRU-POA, GRU-BSB, GIG-BSB, GIG-SSA, GRU-SSA and BSB-SSA where the A321 will perform fine.

CGH saw plenty of wide-body service. Vasp A300s flew VP290, CGH-BSB-MAO and VP190, CGH to MAO with multiple stops along the coast. Then there were TR's 767s and RG/SC with a couple of A300s each. I remember plane watching at the airport in the late 70s/early 80s. Electras and 737s were the boring types. A few times a day a foreign livery would break in - Electra from LAP, 727s from LAB and Aerolineas, 737 from Pluna. I never saw a 707 at CGH and I always assume the pavement resistance prevented 707s from landing there.
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:12 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 19):

If you guys actually read the thread beyond reply #1 you would have noticed that the issue has already been covered by reply #2.

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Reply 16):


Oh, and I believe the only passengers on that TAM A330 flight to CGH were from the media, as well as employees and some crew, all returning from Toulouse!

I thought so too. Thanks for the info.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:00 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 21):
If you guys actually read the thread beyond reply #1 you would have noticed that the issue has already been covered by reply #2.

You're right!

Nevertheless, the error is just in part of the information contained in the initial thread.  Wink
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:07 pm

Oh man I can't wait to fly their new airbus to Asuncion from Sao Paulo...I am going this winter and maybe it will be my last Fokker 100 Flight with TAM. My dad's friend is an F100 pilot for TAM and he really enjoys flying them, but I am sure he will love the new Airbus. I wonder what kind they will fly to Asuncion?
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:54 pm

Good to see TAM improving their fleet. I can bet that probably they will use the A321 on routes nowadays daily operated with the A330 (REC), or to EZE (where they have good numbers). I dont expect an improvement on CGH-BSB as the loads are not so high nowadays (near 60%). The early morning GRU-GIG and the night GIG-GRU (feeder for Intl flights) probably can get this aircraft (as a Tag for EZE flight)


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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 21):
If you guys actually read the thread beyond reply #1 you would have noticed that the issue has already been covered by reply #2.

We noticed it, just to make SURE, since none of the brazilian users seemed to notice the comments.  

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:23 pm

Congratulations TAM & TACA.

Any chance to see the TA A321 @ MEX?

Which routes will this bird be deployed in (TA)?

Regards...

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 25):

We noticed it, just to make SURE, since none of the brazilian users seemed to notice the comments.

Nice to hear that our attention is so highly valued  Wink

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Anyways...

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 24):

I agree, EZE is probably the most likely destination. But I wouldn't count CNF out, flew one of their A320s CNF-CGH and it was PACKED. I'm sure they could have filled an A321 that day.

Btw, you guys think that we might see them at CGH by any chance? Would be really nice to see something a little bigger/different flying in there!

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:19 pm

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 26):
Any chance to see the TA A321 @ MEX?

Which routes will this bird be deployed in (TA)?

Unfortunately not established [nor released] yet. But MEX is a high possible destination.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 27):
Nice to hear that our attention is so highly valued

It always be ...  Wink
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:29 pm

I don't mean to stray from the main topic but I have a quick question in connection with the previous reply:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 28):
But MEX is a high possible destination.

Wouldn't the A321 perhaps be penalized (perhaps cargo-wise) leaving from MEX if TA elects to send the A321 to MEX?

Anyway, back to the original topic, I think it is great that JJ is ordering A321's. I am sure it will be a great fit in their fleet.
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:45 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 27):
Btw, you guys think that we might see them at CGH by any chance? Would be really nice to see something a little bigger/different flying in there!

PPVRA, the needs of CGH for a larger plane is only on peak hours as well as CNF. I really expect that probably EZE and SCL will be the routes for an A321 operation. Two A321 would be needed for both operations during the day, but they can be used on Night flights.
Also, with larger cargo space, JJ can use them on a non stop GRU-MAO or even to xxx-MAO-MIA (could be FOR or REC)
I dont expect JJ to use them on new South America routes (due to initial demand that probably drives them to use either A320 or A319).
CGH could be an option for peak hours but it hurts their loads on the off-peaken hours. Also, if they replace the A320 used on EZE and SCL, JJ could improve some routes from A319 to A320 and replace some F100 with the A319.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:41 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 29):
Wouldn't the A321 perhaps be penalized (perhaps cargo-wise) leaving from MEX if TA elects to send the A321 to MEX?

Eddie, I really don't think so. Do you know about penalized A321s cases leaving MEX?
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 29):
Wouldn't the A321 perhaps be penalized (perhaps cargo-wise) leaving from MEX if TA elects to send the A321 to MEX?

Its a short flight, MEX-SJO must be like 2.5 hours, perfect for the A321 to do it, plus SJO is not high. If it was MEX-UIO or MEX-BOG, those would have problems.
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:19 am

Yeah guys, you are most likely right. The thing is that MEX does not get any A321 at the moment (at least not that I know about) and MX has been very iffy with respect to the A321 mostly because of the penalization argument. In theory MX will get two A321's or so later this year, but most likely will deploy them from CUN. On the other hand, NK is going to start ops to MEX from FLL and it will use A321's but that will also be a short flight. I guess MEX-FLL and MEX-SJO do not present any problems in terms of performance as you well say.
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:19 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 20):
I never saw a 707 at CGH and I always assume the pavement resistance prevented 707s from landing there.

Actually, VASP used to bring their DC-8s (Freighters!) for maintenance in CGH during the early 90's. I live right next to CGH, and I remember vividly seeing one of them on approach right above my head (I was in the car) to 17R. Some 10 years ago.

So yes, CGH's main runway pavement is good enough for DC-8s and other aircraft with the same weight averages, like 707s and even A330s, as TAM proved in 1998... Wink

Oh, and let me take this time to apologize for the wrong info. about TAM being the first A321 operator in Latin America. Maybe I should've said South America.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:17 am

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Reply 34):
about TAM being the first A321 operator in Latin America. Maybe I should've said South America.

No needs for apologies. It's always a great new to see JJ expanding its fleet.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:20 am

Quoting SkyHigh777 (Reply 23):
wonder what kind they will fly to Asuncion?

I think it will be the A319. There are some rumours that TAM was looking into the possibility of operating the A319 ASU-GRU-CCS, but nothing concrete yet.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 30):
I really expect that probably EZE and SCL will be the routes for an A321 operation.

I dont expect SCL to get the A321 due to altitude-related problems. SCL will most probably get the A330 or maybe an additional flight with the A320 (twice a day) not that the Brazil-Chile bilateral was revised. (btw, LA announced increased flights SCL-GRU from 14 weekly to 15 weekly with an additional Saturday flight on Saturdays as of next week).

EZE is a strong candidate for the A321 as well as REC and FOR and the GRU-GIG hop. They may also have plans fo a new route, and as you mention (BSB)-MAO-MIA is a possibility.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 35):
It's always a great new to see JJ expanding its fleet.

The same for TA. Cmd. Rolim Amaro (founder of TAM) was very close to TA's CEO (both were friends), they even had plans to integrate both airlines. I had the plesure to fly TA again in Jun CCS-LIM biz class, but to be honest did not approve the new Italian-designed business seats which are currently on trial on some routes. Do you know whether they will be adopted for all TA fleet?

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:33 am

Just for the record..., SCL is at an altitude of 1555 ft (474 m) while GRU is at 2459 ft (750m).
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 36):
but to be honest did not approve the new Italian-designed business seats which are currently on trial on some routes. Do you know whether they will be adopted for all TA fleet?

Neither do I.

And unfortunately they will be adopted by the whole fleet. But the other option was to get rid of Biz class.
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:53 am

Guys,

Very good comments but where is the source as this is also new to me? Nobody is confirming that the first A321 is near to arrive next month.

Also seems strange to me more A319 are going to come in fact. There are options but I think they will be converted to A320 and I will explain why.

TAM, together with their engineering dept. as so as Airbus is trying to certify the A320 to operate SDU. The only reason of having A319 in the fleet is because of the shuttle service CGH/SDU/CGH.
If the A320 will be certified to operate on this route, also the current 13 A319 in the fleet will be substituted by A320 and no more A319 will remain in the fleet.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 39):
Nobody is confirming that the first A321 is near to arrive next month.

TACA's A321s is due next month, or shortly after.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 39):
TAM, together with their engineering dept. as so as Airbus is trying to certify the A320 to operate SDU. The only reason of having A319 in the fleet is because of the shuttle service CGH/SDU/CGH.
If the A320 will be certified to operate on this route, also the current 13 A319 in the fleet will be substituted by A320 and no more A319 will remain in the fleet.

Interesting, do you know what exactly the problem is? I remember reading somewhere that the A320 had "lift problems" at SDU, but that "somewhere" I don't think was very reliable.

I was never a big fan of the A319 anyways (looks only), too short for me. A320s are much nicer, and so are A321s.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:58 am

Is anybody sure when ASU will starts seeing the Airbuses?
How will PZ and JJ distribute the new flights and planes and when will the F100s start to get retired?
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:09 am

If you consider the Carribean as part of LATAM, then TA will be the 2nd operator followed by JJ as the 3rd.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 15):
And look what I found in that link:
Cheers,
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Not related to the topic, but I do like the blue tail JJ scheme! thanks for the photo, PP

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
TAM doesnt fly to any of this airports (LPZ, CUZ (extreme) or BOG, UIO (tough)) except SCL, and that can be covered with an A320.



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 36):
I dont expect SCL to get the A321 due to altitude-related problems. SCL will most probably get the A330 or maybe an additional flight with the A320 (twice a day) not that the Brazil-Chile bilateral was revised



Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 37):
SCL is at an altitude of 1555 ft (474 m) while GRU is at 2459 ft (750m).

Thanks LanFan, I was about to state the same (como estai?).

As seen in this photo, SCL and Santiago de Chile is not located at the Andes. By regulation plan, the top altitude of the city is 1000 meters, with the sole exception of the sky resorts, located at 3000 meters (actually in the RG 777 photo, you can see above the tip of the left wing a cone mount in the Andes, just over the green hill. That is El Colorado hill, and at the left of it is La Parva, two ski resorts, And if you look carefully, you can see the towns at their feet!)


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As fort the topic, I must confess that I had no idea that JJ flies from SCL to CGH, I was sure it was to GRU!
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:56 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 43):
, I must confess that I had no idea that JJ flies from SCL to CGH, I was sure it was to GRU!

JJ flies to GRU. Although CGH is the busiest airport in South America, it does not handle international flights.

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 37):
SCL is at an altitude of 1555 ft (474 m) while GRU is at 2459 ft (750m).



Quoting Arcano (Reply 43):
As seen in this photo, SCL and Santiago de Chile is not located at the Andes

Tks for the info + photos.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 39):
TAM, together with their engineering dept. as so as Airbus is trying to certify the A320 to operate SDU. The only reason of having A319 in the fleet is because of the shuttle service CGH/SDU/CGH.

Tks for the info, I also prefer the A320.
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:00 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 43):
As fort the topic, I must confess that I had no idea that JJ flies from SCL to CGH, I was sure it was to GRU!

Arcano, CGH does not held any international operation. The flight is GRU-SCL.

Hardi, could you explain the limitation for SCL please... i didn't know the A321 is or not certified for SCL.

Rgds,
Felipe
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:10 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 45):
Hardi, could you explain the limitation for SCL please... i didn't know the A321 is or not certified for SCL

Lipe: sorry, I was confusing matters. As explained above by Chilean a.net members, I am sure the A321 is certified for SCL. Because SCL is so close to the Andes I though its altitude was also very high, but this is not the case, as mentioned above and easily seen on the photos! Actually, it is amazing that GRU has a higher altitute than SCL!

The airports which could pose altitude-related problems for the A321 in the region are: LPZ, CUZ, BOG, UIO. Note that I use the word "could" because I'm not sure, maybe someone could clarify.

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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:48 am

GRU-SCL with the A321 is easily doable, even with winds. The A321 can fly 5000+ km with a full load, SCL is just over half of that distance away from GRU. I don't think either GRU or SCL is high enough for significant restrictions.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 46):
Because SCL is so close to the Andes I though its altitude was also very high, but this is not the case, as mentioned above and easily seen on the photos! Actually, it is amazing that GRU has a higher altitute than SCL!

I was actually surprised that SCL is that high up (because it is so close to the Pacific), I'm sure some people also thought the same for Sao Paulo since we are so close to the Atlantic (about 45 minute drive w/out traffic)...

Make sme only want to visit SCL more!!

Cheers,
PPVRA

PS: I also like the JJ blue tail! And the Andes is amazing, gotta go there some time soon..!!
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:32 am

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 37):
Just for the record..., SCL is at an altitude of 1555 ft (474 m) while GRU is at 2459 ft (750m).

Thanks! I dont know where i got the idea that SCL was high. The extreme conditions there are related to fog and contamination, not altitude right?
 
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RE: TAM Orders Airbus A321

Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:02 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 47):
Make sme only want to visit SCL more

Never been here? yoi have to come right now with all your country people skiing! the Andes look better than ever in September. You are mostly welcome

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 48):
The extreme conditions there are related to fog

Not really. SCL is equiped with the best ILS and radar sistem available, becoming top ten in the world in terms "assisted views". With this, the airport is closed for fog less than 10 mornings per year (fog is never an issue after noon). The only restriction is for a/c not equiped with ILS.
Contamination is not an issue for SCL either...

More information at "SCL second runway" topic.


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