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DAL767400ER
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 44):
It's DL to ATL according to a Handelsblatt article (only in German).

Well, in that case:
Why DUS and not HAM  hissyfit  cry ?
But anyway, as Panamair said, it fits in with DL's recent international expansion spre. But if it is really DL, it would at the same time mean that DL has given up hope of getting JFK-EZE, as of the 4 domestic 763ERs that will be converted back into int'l config this winter season, 2 will be needed for ATL-GIG next summer, and the other two would be needed for JFK-EZE. So either DL has given up on that, or another route will see one flight less next summer, which can only be either FCO or LGW.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:07 am

Could AA reach DUS from MIA with a modified 757? Would MIA-DUS be viable?
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 51):
Could AA reach DUS from MIA with a modified 757? Would MIA-DUS be viable?

MIA-DUS is very viable. LTU flies Miami-Dusseldorf twice a week, year-round. Miami has maintained non-stop service to Dusseldorf since the late 1980s, longer than any other US city, including NYC.

An AA 757 can't make it though, even the proposed modified model. From MIA, the farthest in Europe a 757 can make it is the British Isles and Canary Islands with the proposed 4000nm range.

[Edited 2005-09-05 23:12:51]
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:17 am

DL DUS-ATL? Does me no good, bummer  Sad ! Oh well, at least it'll add a little variety to the DUS scenery.
Anyone have any info on LTU's quest for Brazil? I remember reading in the DUS airport magazine that LTU was quite hot on the trails of service to Rio and would have it up an running within a couple of years.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:17 am

I guess that Delta will open a route to ATL.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 38):
but stand to my assessment of the DUSforum in general.

And I agree 100% with you, I just saw that some people there already complained because DL to ATL with 763 is not "spectacular" enough for them. Ridiculous, they should be glad that an US airline finally returns to DUS.

Quoting FraT (Reply 46):
Well, neither UA nor CO could make money in the market (at least year round)

I think the main reason that both airlines discontinued their flights was 9/11.

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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:24 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 55):
Quoting FraT (Reply 46):
Well, neither UA nor CO could make money in the market (at least year round)

I think the main reason that both airlines discontinued their flights was 9/11.

Anyone remember if UA's service at the time of the 9/11 attacks was to ORD or was it already switched to IAD?
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:32 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 56):
Anyone remember if UA's service at the time of the 9/11 attacks was to ORD or was it already switched to IAD?

It was still ORD, they switched to IAD later but unfortunately they had to discontinue it later.

Patrick
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:38 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 57):
It was still ORD, they switched to IAD later but unfortunately they had to discontinue it later.

That's what I thought, I just wasn't sure when they switched the destinations. Thanks!
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 50):
So either DL has given up on that, or another route will see one flight less next summer, which can only be either FCO or LGW.

Could Opperation Clockwork II free up any more 763ERs?
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:55 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 59):
Could Opperation Clockwork II free up any more 763ERs?

Not really. The 51 763ERs that are in international configuration are used to their max already, hence why DL had to delay ATL-GIG after they had launched ATL-SVO, because there weren't enough planes. As said, 4 domestic 763ERs will be converted back this winter and next winter, though just by the potential that new international routes offer, DL should convert all of them this winter.
And schedule triming isn't possible either, as DL has pretty much reduced all layovers in Europe to the average 2-hour turns, with the exceptions of some of the CDG flights, one of the ATL-LGW flights, and the IST flight, which is being turned in 1:35. Of course DL could try to achieve such short turns anywhere, but I doubt that would free up any planes.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:26 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 60):
Not really. The 51 763ERs that are in international configuration are used to their max already, hence why DL had to delay ATL-GIG after they had launched ATL-SVO, because there weren't enough planes. As said, 4 domestic 763ERs will be converted back this winter and next winter, though just by the potential that new international routes offer, DL should convert all of them this winter.
And schedule triming isn't possible either, as DL has pretty much reduced all layovers in Europe to the average 2-hour turns, with the exceptions of some of the CDG flights, one of the ATL-LGW flights, and the IST flight, which is being turned in 1:35. Of course DL could try to achieve such short turns anywhere, but I doubt that would free up any planes.

So it means that , after the new DUS route , DL will not be able to make an expansion of flights to Europe for example out of ATL or CVG. Is it right?
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:59 am

Quoting Lxsaab2000 (Reply 61):
So it means that , after the new DUS route , DL will not be able to make an expansion of flights to Europe for example out of ATL or CVG. Is it right?


No, Delta does still have more widebody aircraft that can support an expansion of flights to Europe. I believe that with DUS(if this rumor is true), they will have one or two additional 763ERs they could use for expansion. Also, there is the rumor and possibility that DL will use the 767-400s on more international destinations in S. America and possibly Europe since they are currently ETOPS certified.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:45 am

I think JAL, Japan Airlines NRT-DUS.

Jal has flown before into DUS but discontinued it. Since there is a large amount of Japanese people, and Japanese companies in the Dus area; I think that there may be some possibilities.

Regards,
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:10 pm

My money is on Jet Blue's inaugural international flight from DUS to LAS using corporate A-321's and a regular pax A332. Look out! Ryanair!
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:23 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 34):
Why was this QR 319 in DUS lately?

I am guessing it was flying for the Qatari government.

I would say Lufthansa to LAX but LAX, as said,is not a new destination since LTU has a flight.

There is always a possibility of Lufthansa from DUS to JFK because the LTU flight is only a summer route.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:32 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 65):

There is always a possibility of Lufthansa from DUS to JFK because the LTU flight is only a summer route.

LTU is now year-round to JFK.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting Lxsaab2000 (Reply 61):
So it means that , after the new DUS route , DL will not be able to make an expansion of flights to Europe for example out of ATL or CVG. Is it right?

Also don't forget that DL can also put 757s in place of 767s in order to increase international flights. They could do this and remove aircraft at the same time by increasing aircraft utilization, which they're currently doing. Of course, DL could also always pull 73S and MD-80s from routes like ATL-HSV/BHM, etc., put RJs on those, then put MD-80s where 757s are and put 757s where domestic 767s are. Those are many possibilities of course.

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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:07 pm

If LH were to start a new flight, I would imagine that it would only be something in co-operation with PrivatAir and not using one of their own aircraft. I think that LH is more on focusing their hubs in FRA and MUC.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:15 pm

Its confirmed.

DUS-IAD using United's new winglet-equipped 757's Big grin
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:53 pm

Hi, the only info i got is that EK is increasing to Double Daily DXB-DUS as of next summer

Regards
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:54 pm

Still a few hours to go before we know the definite answer...

If it will be DUS-ATL, like suggested in the "Handelsblatt" article, it would be a big surprise to me - but certainly a pleasant one. I have my doubts if this route could exist upon pax revenue alone, since both LH and UA have failed with their attempts to offer daily services to a North American hub, but if DL manages to time the flight well and manages to sell the freight capacity at a profitable rate, there might me potential for success.

Anyway, this is certainly a blow to the loudmouthed claims of CGN's airport manager that he would soon reach DUS's passenger figures and overall attractiveness.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:32 pm

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 62):
No, Delta does still have more widebody aircraft that can support an expansion of flights to Europe. I believe that with DUS(if this rumor is true), they will have one or two additional 763ERs they could use for expansion

Only one, which as said also depends on JFK-EZE. So as far as the 763ERs go, the ressources are used up, unless DL decides to convert the 4 remaining domestic 763ERs this winter as well. That is the official status for international operations. The 764s and 757s for Euro flight are both rumors that have been running around for ever since DL had the 764, and ever since CO started their massive Euro 757 expansion last year. As long as it is not official, it is too hard to really speculate about them being used across the pond.
Btw anybody notice the status of the DUSforum?
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:05 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 72):
Btw anybody notice the status of the DUSforum?
"Sorry, das Forum wurde geschlossen

Grund: Forum aufgegeben. "

Still works over here. Would be a shame if it closed, since it is a great source for hilarious moments. Big grin
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:34 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 72):
Btw anybody notice the status of the DUSforum?
"Sorry, das Forum wurde geschlossen

Grund: Forum aufgegeben. "

Try the URL http://www.dusforum.de/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=12

This one works. Maybe you looked at the old location?
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:00 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 72):
the ressources are used up, unless DL decides to convert the 4 remaining domestic 763ERs this winter as well.

They could also convert some of the non-ER-300s and fly them on shorter transatlantic routes, e.g. JFK-CDG which is only 5849 kms long and therefore should be doable without any payload restrictions. This, of course, is only possible when these planes are ETOPS certified.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:51 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 55):
Quoting FraT (Reply 46):
Well, neither UA nor CO could make money in the market (at least year round)

I think the main reason that both airlines discontinued their flights was 9/11.

Both CO and UA used 9/11 as an excuse to drop the routes. Year round they were loss making routes and after 9/11 the winter 01/02 would have been disastrous.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:15 pm

Quoting FraT (Reply 76):
Both CO and UA used 9/11 as an excuse to drop the routes. Year round they were loss making routes and after 9/11 the winter 01/02 would have been disastrous

Do you have a proof for what you are writing?
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:26 pm

Delta 24 Atlanta (ATL) 8:15pm Dusseldorf (DUS) 11:30am 763 9.15 4507


ATL-DUS bookable on DL site, with 0 stops.

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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:34 pm

what aircraft will it be?
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:38 pm

Quoting BA380 (Reply 79):
Delta 24 Atlanta (ATL) 8:15pm Dusseldorf (DUS) 11:30am 763 9.15 4507

as mentioned above ..... 763 ....

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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:39 pm

Aircraft will be a 763.

departs ATL 08:15pm, arrives DUS 11:30am
departs DUS 01:30pm, arrives ATL 05:30pm
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:43 pm

oops didn't see the 763 bit in there...
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:45 pm

Not exactly great flight times on the westbound leg. With such a late arrival at ATL, you lose a lot of connection opportunities if you also take into account that the passengers have to pass through customs and immigration.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:57 pm

clearing customs by 8pm there are still flts to everywhere from atl. 2 or 3 to most locations still.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:59 pm

With this, DL will have direct service on its own metal to 5 German cities: FRA, MUC, STR, TXL, and now DUS, pretty impressive...almost back to the good old days in the early nineties where they had service to FRA, MUC, STR, TXL, and HAM.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:06 pm

Quoting 764 (Reply 81):
Aircraft will be a 763.

departs ATL 08:15pm, arrives DUS 11:30am
departs DUS 01:30pm, arrives ATL 05:30pm

Where are they taking the 763 from? I thought the had it reserved for JFKEZE. What would happen if they get it?
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:07 pm

Quoting 764 (Reply 74):
Try the URL http://www.dusforum.de/forum.asp?FOR...ID=12

Thanks for that, I was trying the link in Lufthansa404's profile, which turned out to be dead.

Quoting BA380 (Reply 82):
Not exactly great flight times on the westbound leg. With such a late arrival at ATL, you lose a lot of connection opportunities if you also take into account that the passengers have to pass through customs and immigration.

Let's see: 5:30pm arrival. Add some 2 hours for a typical connection, and you can still get all flights to destinations starting at 7:30. So, do you really want me to name all the circa 150 destinations you can still connect to from the DUS-ATL flight?

Quoting A342 (Reply 75):
They could also convert some of the non-ER-300s and fly them on shorter transatlantic routes, e.g. JFK-CDG which is only 5849 kms long and therefore should be doable without any payload restrictions. This, of course, is only possible when these planes are ETOPS certified.

Getting ETOPS for the standard 763s would not be worth it. While DL primarily focusses their longhaul operations on their 8 777s and 59 763ERs, what they need are either an intermediate between those, in other words the 764, and/or something smaller for the thinner routes, namely the 752. The 763s are needed for high-capacity domestic routes and some Caribbean routes, plus they will be also needed to make up the capacity loss encountered by cutting the 762s, and also in the event that either the 764 or 752 are being send across the pond.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:11 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 87):
Let's see: 5:30pm arrival. Add some 2 hours for a typical connection, and you can still get all flights to destinations starting at 7:30. So, do you really want me to name all the circa 150 destinations you can still connect to from the DUS-ATL flight?

No need to sit on a high horse, I can also read a timetable. It is just a minor comfort disadvantage to arrive relatively late at your destination - if you compare the timings of CO's former DUS-EWR service (ca. 1100-1330h), you see, where I am coming from.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:37 pm

I am glad that it is confirmed! Finally is an US airline back at DUS, and the best is (at least for me) that it is a Skyteam airline!

Patrick
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 72):
Only one, which as said also depends on JFK-EZE. So as far as the 763ERs go, the ressources are used up, unless DL decides to convert the 4 remaining domestic 763ERs this winter as well. That is the official status for international operations.

DL currently has a total of 51 763ERs suitable for international transoceanic ops. With 4 coming on board next year, that gives a total of 55. If the summer schedule from this year remains in effect next year and taking into account the new ATL-GIG and ATL-DUS, but not JFK-EZE, they will need 49 763ERs. This leaves a total of 6 a/c for maintenance/mechanicals, etc. I don't know what margin DL allows for maintenance/mechanicals, but if JFK-EZE did come through (requiring 2 a/c), they would be left with 4 spares, which may or may not be ok....IMHO, if they don't get awarded JFK-EZE, they could conceivably add one more transatlantic next summer....
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting Airevents (Reply 77):
Do you have a proof for what you are writing?

I used to see the monthly numbers from one of the mentioned carriers. And they were red with a few exceptions.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:03 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 83):
Not exactly great flight times on the westbound leg. With such a late arrival at ATL, you lose a lot of connection opportunities if you also take into account that the passengers have to pass through customs and immigration.



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 87):
Let's see: 5:30pm arrival. Add some 2 hours for a typical connection, and you can still get all flights to destinations starting at 7:30.



Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 88):
It is just a minor comfort disadvantage to arrive relatively late at your destination - if you compare the timings of CO's former DUS-EWR service (ca. 1100-1330h),

Take into consideration inclement weather at Atlanta; late afternoon thunderstorms....and this should get real interesting around April throughout the summer and fall.

But in summarizing, this flight is better than NOTHING! right?
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Sabena332
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:29 pm

What do you guys think, will LH/Star Alliance react and also offer a (non business jet) flight from DUS to a North American Star Alliance hub?

Patrick
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:44 pm

I don't really see that move coming up. LH has shown their disdain for Peasant Class pax before, and does not seem to be able to make money with mixed-class longhaul flights from peripheral German airport (take former flights from HAM, TXL and DUS to North America as an example).

I can see our beloved national carrier putting up some good deals for their biz class only flights in order to siphon off full payer demand from our home state though.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 94):
I can see our beloved national carrier putting up some good deals for their biz class only flights in order to siphon off full payer demand from our home state though.

That could be very possible. Getting more pax for their Biz Class only flights is definitely more lucrative for LH than starting a completely new flight with a two or three class configuration aircraft and risk that it will become a flop.

Patrick
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:10 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 88):
if you compare the timings of CO's former DUS-EWR service (ca. 1100-1330h), you see, where I am coming from.

The former CO times were 6:50-10:50 on a daily basis.
(LH408/409 had 6:15 - 10:00)
 
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:18 pm

Are you talking UTC or CET? I am pretty sure that during my three CO flights from DUS to EWR, STD was always around 11ish.
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 97):
Are you talking UTC or CET? I am pretty sure that during my three CO flights from DUS to EWR, STD was always around 11ish.

I think he means the turnaround time at DUS.

Regarding the DL flights, I just tried to find flights from DUS to LAX, SFO, and SLC via ATL on Amadeus but it seems that it is not possible to reach destinations in the western USA because of the late arrival time in ATL. This would definitely suck because transit passengers who have to go to California, etc. will avoid this flight.

Patrick
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RE: Dusseldorf - New Daily Longhaul Flight!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 98):
Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 97):
Are you talking UTC or CET? I am pretty sure that during my three CO flights from DUS to EWR, STD was always around 11ish.

I think he means the turnaround time at DUS.

Right!  Smile Now I remember the flying times, and it was indeed a departure shortly before the late morning AF flight to CDG (1100h back then), and an arrival in DUS at 0650h.

Kind of proves that I have no life, if I can still remember such things. Big grin
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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos