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UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 4:15 am

It seems that United is currently deciding on what type of aircraft they want to replace their 75 some odd 727-200s. Instead of converting options on the A32X line that it holds, United is now compairing the A320 vs. the 737NG instead of the last competion which was the 737 "Classics". While it will be very hard for the 737NG to get an order here it is a possibility. The winglet 737NG has caught United's eye due to its fantastic "hot and high" capability. What does the forum think?
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 4:23 am

I think we'll have some Europeans screaming bloody murder in about 10 seconds

 
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 4:28 am

Are additional 757s no possibility?

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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 4:30 am

Are additional 757s no possibility?

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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 4:45 am

I flew through Denver during spring break and 3 out of 4 of my flights were on UA 727-200s, the last on a 737-500. The 727 was nice and quiet-must be the hushkits. UA will probably replace it with the A320 but getting BA's bids to keep Airbus honest. Depending on other factors (availability dates??) the order could go either way, in my opinion. But I would like to see UA fly 727s for some more years.

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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 4:55 am

I too would like to see UAL operate the 727-200Adv for many more years also. Last of the great aircraft. Speaking of availability dates the 737NG line would be available sooner. Boeing can produce more 737s a month than Airbus can turn out A320s. Therefore delivery dates can be sooner. Also the A320 line is sold out. The US Airways order has pushed back many customers.
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 5:38 am

Hmmmm... this is an interesting turn of events. For as far as I knew United has had excellent results with the A319/A320 since they were introduced in 1993. Though I can understand getting better delivery positions with Boeing could influence a decision in favor of 737NG's. Though it would be interesting to see 737-822's with those winglets. This one is too difficult to call.
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 3:19 pm

United will never order 737NG's unless Boeing buys back all of UA's Airbus planes (Similar to the SQ A340 deal). Guaranteed.

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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 9:45 pm

I would think that the 737-800EP would have a good chance. ATA has choosen it over the A32X family due to the better performance from hot and high places. For DEN operations the 737-800EP would be great.
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 9:48 pm

i agree with fly777ual. the A320s have fast turnaround times, and have been very reliable. i believe UA's quite happy with them.
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Tue May 09, 2000 10:22 pm

I think United should go for the A321 to replace the 727s
if they are happy with their current A319s & A320s.
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Wed May 10, 2000 1:40 am

On those delivery dates. Airbus is planning to increase A32X production to 28 or even 30 a month. This will probably open up quite a few new delivery positions...
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Wed May 10, 2000 2:22 am

A320 turnaround time fast? Well, here in Des Moines, UA has the only Airbus flights, besides some A300s by UPS. I am taking my first trip on an Airbus tomorrow morning on the flight from Des Moines to Denver. I have been monitoring the ontime rate of that flight over the past week because we have a connection to catch at DIA...almost every other day that flight is delayed by 35 minutes or more due to mechanical issues, whereas the 757 flights are rarely if ever delayed. The 737NGs are newer technology than the A32X (1984 for Airbus versus 1993 initially and more options in 1996 for Boeing) and are highly reliable, with quick turnarounds and an extremely high dispatch reliability rate (see for reference Southwest Airlines). That can't be the justification. Passenger comfort....well, we'll just have to see tomorrow! Delivery dates may be important...if Airbus bankrupts itself with the A3XX, there will be no A32X deliveries from UA.
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Wed May 10, 2000 4:08 am

How can the 737NG have newer technology when the A320 has the up to date high tech FBW system?
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Wed May 10, 2000 4:28 am

If UA cares about "hot-n-high" operations then they wont choose the 737. My experiences with Alaska's 737-400s tell me that they are pathetic h&h aircraft. They had a real problem with them in Mexico when it was hot, couldnt load them full, serious load concerns. The MD-80s could easily operate at Max Gross on hot days. Even at low altitude Fairbanks (434 ft) a hot 95 degree summer day limited the 734s load even on a short hop, but MDs were fine.
 
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Tedski

Wed May 10, 2000 4:41 am

the turnaround goal is expected/met (usually) at around 40 minutes here @ IAD
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Wed May 10, 2000 5:01 am

Well, here we are talking about the new 737NGs with the winglets. They are bound to be completely different (in terms of operating capabilities) than the 734s

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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Wed May 10, 2000 5:46 am

I disagree with some in that I can't wait for United to retire its 727s. Of course they are great planes, a testament to Boeing ingenuity. But thier time is near. Regarding the possibility of a 737NG purchase by United: They already have so many A320s that it doesn't seem likeky.
 
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A322

Wed May 10, 2000 8:48 pm

United will never go for the 737NG. They`ll buy the A321 although it`s not a very good aircraft compared to the A321. It is possible that we`ll see the A322 in 5 years. It is supposed to compete against the 757-200/737-900 and would be the perfect aircraft for UAL after they say goodbye to the hushkitted 727.
 
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Tedski

Thu May 11, 2000 4:57 am

FBW doesn't make an aircraft newer. The A320 was designed in 1984 while the 737NG was designed in 1993. While it looks like a 737 "Classic" it truly is a newly designed aircraft.
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Thu May 11, 2000 5:22 am

Why would someone replace 727s with 321s? The 321 is a bigger plane. In fact, it was part of Airbus' great breakout strategy to build the 320 to be a perfect 727 replacement because at the time the 320 was designed, most of the world's 727s' days were numbered.
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Thu May 11, 2000 7:14 am

In addition to the NG's, United will never go for the A321's either--ANY version of that plane. You want to talk about a performance-lacking plane with no versatility for UA's route structure--look no farther than the A321 (even the IGW version soon to appear).

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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Thu May 11, 2000 8:18 am

If United goes for the A321 it will be easy for their A319 & A320 pilots to fly this aircraft because it's systems are basically the same as the other two. And also will save on spare parts especially the engines being IAE V2500s.
 
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RE: UAL 727-200 Replacement

Thu May 11, 2000 8:23 am

But what purpose would the A321 have in the UA fleet? Everything that the A321 can do, the 757 can do much more economically, and with better performance.

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Why Have Two Different Midsize Aircraft?

Thu May 11, 2000 9:26 am

Look at UA competition. DL,AA and CO have gone 737Ngs. Must be a reason to go with one type or the other. US has gone toward A320s. So why would UA be any different? There are many UA fans on this board,and they pretty much state the same thing,"UA is happy with the A319s and A320s." So why would UA change now and buy 737ngs?

It is so much simpler and cheaper to have one midsize aircraft.

But I do agree with one poster who gave the option of buying 757s. AA has just ordered some,and with airport capacities getting tighter and tighter(don't believe the hype about RJs),now would be a good time to move up to a plane that has a little more capacity than a midsize. IMHO.

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