Hi fellow A.netters
Can someone please tell me what are the worlds most profitable airlines (can be LCC or full) of 2004, or 2005 to date
I believe FR would be first?
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FR are aiming for a 200 million Euro profit this year, which sounds pretty big!
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My bet....in terms of net profit
1) SQ
2) CX
3) QF
4) EK
5) BA
???????
1) SQ
2) CX
3) QF
4) EK
5) BA
???????
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| Quoting United Airline (Reply 2): My bet....in terms of net profit 1) SQ 2) CX 3) QF 4) EK 5) BA ??????? |
That seems reasonable, but I would list it like this, adding WN to the list:
1. SQ
2. CX
3. WN
4. QF
5. BA
6. EK
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If I'm not mistaken, for 2004, BA were the most profitable airline in the world.
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NZ has been in profit for the last few years as well.
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2004 Data - From Airline Business Magazine (August 2005 edition):
Top Group Operating Profits:
1) FedEx
2) Lufthansa Group
3) British Airways
4) Singapore Airlines Group
5) Qantas
6) Emirates
7) ANA
8) Cathay Pacific
9) Air France / KLM Group
10) Southwest Airlines
Top Operation Margins:
1) Gol Transportes Aereos
2) Ryanair
3) Republic Airways Holdings
4) Middle East Airlines
5) Emirates
6) ASTAR Air Cargo
7) Kenya Airways
8) ExpressJet
9) Cathay Pacific
10) Air China Limited
Top Highest Group net Profits:
1) Singapore Airlines
2) Emirates
3) Cathay Pacific
4) Lufthansa
5) British Airways
6) Qantas
7) Air France - KLM Group
8) Korean Air
9) Ryanair
10) Southwest Airlines
Top Group Operating Profits:
1) FedEx
2) Lufthansa Group
3) British Airways
4) Singapore Airlines Group
5) Qantas
6) Emirates
7) ANA
8) Cathay Pacific
9) Air France / KLM Group
10) Southwest Airlines
Top Operation Margins:
1) Gol Transportes Aereos
2) Ryanair
3) Republic Airways Holdings
4) Middle East Airlines
5) Emirates
6) ASTAR Air Cargo
7) Kenya Airways
8) ExpressJet
9) Cathay Pacific
10) Air China Limited
Top Highest Group net Profits:
1) Singapore Airlines
2) Emirates
3) Cathay Pacific
4) Lufthansa
5) British Airways
6) Qantas
7) Air France - KLM Group
8) Korean Air
9) Ryanair
10) Southwest Airlines
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Wow. The only US pax airline in the top 10 is WN, and even then just barely? I guess those $200 return tickets are really eating into the profits of most US airlines. It's pretty wild when you can fly for less than it would cost to drive, but I seriously doubt it will last forever.
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| Quoting SATX (Reply 7): Wow. The only US pax airline in the top 10 is WN, and even then just barely? I guess those $200 return tickets are really eating into the profits of most US airlines. It's pretty wild when you can fly for less than it would cost to drive, but I seriously doubt it will last forever. |
Keep in mind that Southwest is a domestic airline. The airline business figures are in US dollars which gives airlines like Lufthansa and Air France - KLM a big 'exchange' premium because a great deal of their profit is in euro's.
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Before the downturn in the US airline industry, many US airlines were the most profitable by far, with yearly profits even reaching the billions.
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IB has been in the black for the last 8 yrs does anyone out there now if this is also the case with all those airlines? And on the other hand which airlines have made the biggest losses?.
What do you guys think is it better to have small profits over a long period of time and show stability or have periods of big profits and periods of big losses. Having at the end the same results.
What do you guys think is it better to have small profits over a long period of time and show stability or have periods of big profits and periods of big losses. Having at the end the same results.
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| Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 10): What do you guys think is it better to have small profits over a long period of time and show stability or have periods of big profits and periods of big losses. Having at the end the same results. |
It is always better to have stability than big variation.
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How about jetBlue? I know their profit may be scaled down becuase of their smaller size compared to LH or KLM or BA but if it were proportional to their size wouldn't their profit numbers be comperable to the european majors?
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| Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 12): How about jetBlue? I know their profit may be scaled down becuase of their smaller size compared to LH or KLM or BA but if it were proportional to their size wouldn't their profit numbers be comperable to the european majors? |
The list below is based on profit margin as a percentage of turnover so eliminates absolute size as a factor determining position in the list:
| Quoting Airways45 (Reply 6): Top Operation Margins: 1) Gol Transportes Aereos 2) Ryanair 3) Republic Airways Holdings 4) Middle East Airlines 5) Emirates 6) ASTAR Air Cargo 7) Kenya Airways 8) ExpressJet 9) Cathay Pacific 10) Air China Limited |
How much further down this list jetBlue would be I do not know.
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VV701-thanks for that clearifcation- That makes sense.
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| Quoting SATX (Reply 7): The only US pax airline in the top 10 is WN, |
yes the situation in the US is bad, as currently 4 of the 7 biggest airlines under CH11, at least it seems that US and UA will go out of CH11
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SURELY EASYJET ARE UP THERE!!!
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| Quoting SATX (Reply 7): It's pretty wild when you can fly for less than it would cost to drive, but I seriously doubt it will last forever. |
I have to disagree WN has been operating at a continuous profit since the early 70's (1971??). They have never had a loosing quarter. The reason for the so called "downturn" in the US airline industry is that several companies (ie WN, B6, FL, Ect) have finally figured out how to run an airline as a profitable business. We will continue to see low ticket cost as long as the "LCC" carriers are operating at a profit.
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| Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 12): How much further down this list jetBlue would be I do not know. |
Air China's operating margin is 13.4%, JetBlue's is 8.9%.
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Doesn't it seem a little strange that the airlines that are making the biggest $ are the ones that still offer free alcohol, meal service and amenity kits even in economy class ..... how is it that the US carriers are just not cutting it
...... even after dropping the pretzels? and the pillows ...... and god knows what next.
...... even after dropping the pretzels? and the pillows ...... and god knows what next.
BA all the way !!!
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| Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 4): If I'm not mistaken, for 2004, BA were the most profitable airline in the world. |
That's in terms of gross profit
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I think this comparison doesn't lead anywhere. Really interesting would be to see a ranking in:
-Profit in percentage of turnover
or even better:
-Profit in percentage of the capital
Otherwise you'll always have the big carriers first, although smaller ones might perform better.
-Profit in percentage of turnover
or even better:
-Profit in percentage of the capital
Otherwise you'll always have the big carriers first, although smaller ones might perform better.
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| Quoting Simong (Reply 19): Doesn't it seem a little strange that the airlines that are making the biggest $ are the ones that still offer free alcohol, meal service and amenity kits even in economy class ..... how is it that the US carriers are just not cutting it ...... even after dropping the pretzels? and the pillows ...... and god knows what next. |
Does the word 'deregulation' ring a bell. SIA flies only long intercontinental sectors to a huge business district and the government negotiates on the ASA's with other countries. And with labour costs much lower than in Europe / US, it is not that hard to be better than the rest (no flame, SIA performs excellent and has great management, certainly also a factor).
Second, if European government had not intervened after 9/11, we would have had a lot of European carriers under bankrupcy protection, like in the US, trust me...
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