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British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:50 am

I work at Newark International Airport. British Air always flies a triple7 to EWR and today I was driving by JFK and saw two 747's parked at the BA terminal. Is there a reason why they only fly trip7's itno EWR ? Does BA find the 747 as a more desirable plane therefore they fly the 747 to JFK ? Just wondering why.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:54 am

I guess JFK is the airport people think of when they think of NY. Plus JFK is the only airport in the world where BA have their own terminal - doesn't make sense to route traffic away from it.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:56 am

Don't forget that BA feed a lot of pax to AA at JFK as well.
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:58 am

British Airways uses both 747 and 777 into JFK, I have seen the 777 Depart in the morning and arrive in the evening.


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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Thread starter):
British Air

Please... It's British AirWAYS
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:05 am

Some of BA's B744's are configured for high J loads.

Perhaps JFK has a higher J class deamnd than EWR?

[Edited 2005-09-20 20:06:07]
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:08 am

I don't know why this is a surprise. JFK is the leading NYC airport for most of the European airlines...British Airways will usually send 6 744s and 1 777 to JFK vs 3 777s to EWR....AF sends 1 A340 to EWR, 5 777s a day to JFK...The list goes on.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:14 am

It's mainly a capacity thing. On a typical day, BA operate 3 flights to EWR (all 777s) and 7 flights to JFK (mainly 744s, but some 777s). There's just a much higher capacity requirement on the JFK routes so they use the bigger aircraft on that route.
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:33 am

Also Passengers can connect with AA which has a large presence in JFK.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:38 am

Interesting to note that for this Friday, as an example, all the five 744s to JFK are configured as 70 in J, The two 777s have a 48 config in J. Most of the flights have good loads.

The three 777s to EWR are configured the usual 48 J.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting Star_world (Reply 7):
It's mainly a capacity thing. On a typical day, BA operate 3 flights to EWR (all 777s) and 7 flights to JFK (mainly 744s, but some 777s). There's just a much higher capacity requirement on the JFK routes so they use the bigger aircraft on that route.

Interestingly using the 747 doesn't necessarily mean more capacity in business cabin. Some mistakenly think moving from 777 to 747 means an upgrade, for BA in most cases it signifies a demise in premium traffic.

Low config J 747: 38 J seats, 14 F seats
High cong J 747: 70 J seats, 14 F seats
777: 48J seats and 14 F seats

BA don't use the 17 F's on the JFK route....I think, although am willing to be corrected.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Thread starter):
Is there a reason why they only fly trip7's itno EWR ? Does BA find the 747 as a more desirable plane therefore they fly the 747 to JFK ?

Greater premium demand and greater demand generally into JFK

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Plus JFK is the only airport in the world where BA have their own terminal

BA does "own" T7 at JFK, but they do share it with UA and HP. BA will actually be closer to having their own terminal when they get T5 at LHR with only QF sharing
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
BA does "own" T7 at JFK, but they do share it with UA and HP. BA will actually be closer to having their own terminal when they get T5 at LHR with only QF sharing

Do IB also use this terminal? (T7)

Quoting Southpaw8669 (Reply 3):
British Airways uses both 747 and 777 into JFK

... and daily 767's from MAN!

Most airlines serving both JFK and EWR use larger aircraft, or have more frequencies at JFK, and then have the smaller a/c or less frequencies at EWR:
LH - EWR: 1x 744 (73G MUC - Privatair) JFK: 1x 333, 2x 343 (1x MUC), 1x 744
AF - EWR: 1x 343 JFK: 2x 772, 2x 77W
BA - EWR: 3x 772 JFK: 5x 744, 2x 772, 1x 763 (MAN)
VS - EWR: 1x 744 JFK: 2x 346, 1x 744,
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 12):
VS - EWR: 1x 744 JFK: 2x 346, 1x 744,

Looks like VS is now only operating the morning EWR-LHR flight a few days a week now? It's usually with the 346, yes?
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:22 am

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):
Please... It's British AirWAYS

The americans seem to call it British Air. Thats what the tannoy wassaying at LAX on saturday. LAX Welcomes passengers just arrived with British Air from London
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:23 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 12):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
BA does "own" T7 at JFK, but they do share it with UA and HP. BA will actually be closer to having their own terminal when they get T5 at LHR with only QF sharing

Do IB also use this terminal? (T7)

Yes, and FI (Icelandair) as well as QF's 3 tags from LAX per week. Sorry I left them out

Quoting B742 (Reply 12):
EWR: 1x 744 (73G MUC - Privatair)

And the A319LR from DUS
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:32 am

Will BA move to the new American Airlines terminal at JFK?
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 16):
Will BA move to the new American Airlines terminal at JFK?

Why? As already stated they own T7  Smile
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
BA don't use the 17 F's on the JFK route....I think, although am willing to be corrected.

Not that I'm aware of, although they do operate to EWR quite regularly. They tend to be put on the daylight eastbound and then go straight onto a middle east service either DXB or KWI. Can be quite a tight turn at times if the winds are bad.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
I guess JFK is the airport people think of when they think of NY.

Newark Liberty International Airport was Virgin Atlantic's innaguaral Destination from London.



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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:22 am

Yes, and FI (Icelandair) as well as QF's 3 tags from LAX per week. Sorry I left them out

As well as NH, CX, AC.

Will BA move to the new American Airlines terminal at JFK?

They already have their own terminal.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:35 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):

Newark Liberty International Airport was Virgin Atlantic's innaguaral Destination from London.

As something of an LCC originally, correct?
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 12):

Do IB also use this terminal? (T7)

Iberia has been using Terminal 7 since February, before they where in Terminal 8 and before that they where in Terminal 4 (the old one).

I don't think that Iberia has any plans to go back.

List of airlines at Terminal 7:

ANA
Qantas
United Airlines
Untied Express
Air Canada
Icelandair
British Airways
Iberia
America West
Cathay Pacific

I think thats it.

British Airways and United Airlines share the terminal, I believe that it was Uniteds first?
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
I guess JFK is the airport people think of when they think of NY.

Which constantly annoys me to no end!

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 2):
Don't forget that BA feed a lot of pax to AA at JFK as well.

Which is possibly the reason for the much larger presence of BA at JFK, though AA has quite a few flights to LHR out of JFK as well, so I don't know why pax flying AA into JFK would xfer to a BA flight to LHR when they could probably catch an AA flight to LHR just as easily.
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:17 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
British Airways and United Airlines share the terminal, I believe that it was Uniteds first?

No...ever since it was built, it was BA's. Original tenants were BOAC and Air Canada. UA originally had what was most recently terminal 9. T9 had, at one time, Braniff, American Trans Air, Capitol (I think).

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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:59 pm

I find it amzing how a.netters can stray so far off topic. We've gone from how many BA 744's fly into JFK daily to how Americans (not all) call BA British Air to what airlines use T7 at JFK to what terminal United uses and who used to use it.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 22):
Untied Express

I'm just guessing you meant United Express.

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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:03 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
so I don't know why pax flying AA into JFK would xfer to a BA flight to LHR when they could probably catch an AA flight to LHR just as easily

from aadvantage, ba executive and oneworld websites:

American Airlines AAdvantage and British Airways Executive Club members can earn and redeem miles, and earn tier-status credit, on all eligible flights except:
American Airlines AAdvantage members will not earn or redeem miles when flying British Airways to or from the United States.
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I may also have to do with conection at JFK or LHR, timetable, price...
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 25):
I find it amzing how a.netters can stray so far off topic. We've gone from how many BA 744's fly into JFK daily to how Americans (not all) call BA British Air to what airlines use T7 at JFK to what terminal United uses and who used to use it.

And in Reply 19 someone brought up Virgin Atlantic (plus pictures) for the sole reason that their inaugural flight was to Newark!

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
As something of an LCC originally, correct?

Virgin Atlantic was originally a "backpackers' express" and competed with Peoplexpress on the LGW/Newark route until the latter was taken over by CO in 1986, attracting passengers seeking low fares. At some point in the late 1980s, VS changed its targets and started to seek premium passengers, as well as offering an enhanced economy service in the early 1990s.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:07 am

I'm interested to know the total # of daily flights JFK-LON on all carriers if anyone would be so kind to post it.
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting MCIrunway (Reply 28):
I'm interested to know the total # of daily flights JFK-LON on all carriers if anyone would be so kind to post it

Typical daily departures JFK-LON

08:30 AA0142 777
09:15 BA0178 744
18:30 BA0112 744
18:30 AA0100 777
18:55 UA0956 777
19:00 BA0174 744
19:15 AA0112 744
19:30 VS0004 744
19:30 BA0176 744
19:45 AA0104 777
20:10 AI0102 744
20:30 BA0114 744
21:00 VS0046 744
21:10 AA0132 777
21:30 BA0116 777
21:30 UA0904 777
22:00 KU0102 772
22:30 BA0182 777
23:10 VS0010 343
23:30 AA0116 777

Source: www.baa.com

[Edited 2005-09-21 18:04:48]
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 29):
19:15 AA0112 744

Shouldn't it be 777? I don't think American have 747s..
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Honza (Reply 30):
Shouldn't it be 777? I don't think American have 747s..

Who put that "4" where my "7" is supposed to be on my keyboard? Yes, Honza, it should be a 777. Typo. My apologies.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:39 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 10):
BA don't use the 17 F's on the JFK route....I think, although am willing to be corrected



Quoting Geo772 (Reply 18):
Not that I'm aware of, although they do operate to EWR quite regularly. They tend to be put on the daylight eastbound and then go straight onto a middle east service either DXB or KWI. Can be quite a tight turn at times if the winds are bad.

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Virgin Atlantic was originally a "backpackers' express

I could be wrong but I read that Sir Richard was originaly planning an all Buissinees class airline although i'm not 100% sure.

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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 29):
09:15 BA0178 744
18:30 BA0112 744

Is it true that there is no flight between 0915 and 1830? During the whole day?
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 33):
Is it true that there is no flight between 0915 and 1830? During the whole day?

Yes , it's to do with the time difference , The 09:15 is an aircraft which has stayed over night , while the 18:30 has come from LHR the same day hence the time difference problem. , Hope this explanes all !

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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 33):
Is it true that there is no flight between 0915 and 1830? During the whole day?

Also, if you departed NYC at say 2pm, you'd get into LON at about 1/2am.
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:21 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
I guess JFK is the airport people think of when they think of NY.

Which constantly annoys me to no end!

Why????????? It's the truth. JFK has a much longer history with respect to New York than EWR. Go anywhere in the world and say JFK, everyone knows you are talking about New York City. Just the facts. You say Yankees and everyone knows it is NY. Why do you think the football Giants never changed their official name to NJ Giants from NY Giants even though they have NOTHING to do with New York City or NY State? New York City is New York City! I am sorry... EWR may serve part of NY City, but it is New Jersey! So what is the annoyance about?
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:33 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 29):
18:30 BA0112 744

Arrives as BA175, departs LHR at 10.30, arrives JFK 12.40 (or there abouts!)
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 36):
Why????????? It's the truth. JFK has a much longer history with respect to New York than EWR

Newark Airport is New Yorks FIRST airport, I don't know how else it can be interpreted. Newark Airport had the Country's First Control Tower, First Runway lights, First Paved Runway, First Airport Hotel, First real Terminal.

Charles Lindbergh and Amelia Aerhardt were at the Opening in 1928.
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:01 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 36):
Go anywhere in the world and say JFK, everyone knows you are talking about New York City. Just the facts. You say Yankees and everyone knows it is NY. Why do you think the football Giants never changed their official name to NJ Giants from NY Giants even though they have NOTHING to do with New York City or NY State? New York City is New York City! I am sorry... EWR may serve part of NY City, but it is New Jersey! So what is the annoyance about?

EWR = Yankees, Knicks, Giants (legacies)

JFK = Jets, Nets, and Mets (expansion teams).
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:03 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 36):
Why????????? It's the truth. JFK has a much longer history with respect to New York than EWR. Go anywhere in the world and say JFK, everyone knows you are talking about New York City. Just the facts. You say Yankees and everyone knows it is NY. Why do you think the football Giants never changed their official name to NJ Giants from NY Giants even though they have NOTHING to do with New York City or NY State? New York City is New York City! I am sorry... EWR may serve part of NY City, but it is New Jersey! So what is the annoyance about?

Although you are right in terms of JFK being more recognised than EWR, NYC airports includes the three of them (JFK, EWR, LGA) and not just JFK.
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:04 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
BA will actually be closer to having their own terminal when they get T5 at LHR with only QF sharing

QF will not be sharing T5. Thankfully T5 will only be for BA operated flights (BA, BMed, GB etc)
 
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:36 am

add those flights along with CO's flights to LGW (2) and other carriers offering service (such as MaxJet) and we're beginning to see 20-25 flights DAILY!!

adding the WhaleJet from LHR-JFK would be overkill!!!
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RE: British Airways LHR-JFK

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 42):
add those flights along with CO's flights to LGW (2) and other carriers offering service (such as MaxJet) and we're beginning to see 20-25 flights DAILY!!

adding the WhaleJet from LHR-JFK would be overkill!!!

A while ago (maybe 2 years ago max) there was a programme in the UK which said that there were 28 daily flights from London to New York.

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