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LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:34 pm

http://www.heathrowairport.com/porta...a%20Centre^News%20Releases^Results

Add that to the number of 747 flights, and, all you can say is "Holy Shit!"  Wink
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:45 pm

If that becomes reality i certainly will go to Heathrow to the the A380 rushhour...

Thank you for that piece of information

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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:50 pm

 Wow! sweet  Wink Might have to go down there once it comes into service!
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:52 pm

The BA B747 and B777 rush hour when you arrive at T4 in the early morning is already very impressive.

Is Pier 6 part of T3?
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:55 pm

How exciting will be the Pier 6  bouncy 

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The pier is on three levels and will be fully segregated. There will be four gaterooms, seating a total of 2,200 passengers.

Each gateroom will serve an A380, two of the gaterooms have a multi aircraft ramp system (MARS) and will be capable of serving two A320s simultaneously.

As well as an airline first class lounge , Pier 6 will have two small retail units, a coffee shop at departures level and a Bureau de Change on arrivals. At apron level there is 1,600 sq metres of offices and storage space for airlines and handling agents.



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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:56 pm

"Up to 65 flights into LHR daily" - and none of them on BA ...
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:58 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 5):
"Up to 65 flights into LHR daily" - and none of them on BA ...

Loads of BA 747advanced flights though  Wink  Wink
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:04 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Loads of BA 747advanced flights though

Yes a possibility among others  Wink

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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:07 pm

Quoting Richardw (Reply 3):
Is Pier 6 part of T3?

Yes it is, and it looks very impressive from the ramp.
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:19 pm

Currently there are 4 stands being built for the A380.

Heathrow is realistically open from 6am till 11pm for flights.

As BA is unlikely to be operating the A380 then the stands at T5 will not count towards thoase usable by the aircraft.

65 flights a day spread evenly between 4 stands = approx a 55 minute turnaround for each. A 3 to 4 hour turn would be far more realistic which would result in about 45 flights a day from remote stands. Now that's a lot of coaches needed.
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:43 pm

"Each A380 stand measures 89m, which is almost the size of Big Ben"

Wow. I've never seen Big Ben, but I would never have thought you could have a bell bigger than 89m high!  sarcastic 

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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:54 pm

Yeah well lets hope the immigration people actually put on more staff. I can see it now, 4 hour waits in queue up from the present 2 hour wait if you're unlucky enough to arrive in the morning with everyone else.

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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:54 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Loads of BA 747advanced flights though

Yes you are right, lot's of BA 747 flights in advance of the arrival of their own A380  Big grin
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:22 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 9):
Currently there are 4 stands being built for the A380.



Quoting Geo772 (Reply 9):
65 flights a day spread evenly between 4 stands = approx a 55 minute turnaround for each. A 3 to 4 hour turn would be far more realistic which would result in about 45 flights a day from remote stands. Now that's a lot of coaches needed.

Currently. But these 65 flights will not be from the beginning on:

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BAA Heathrow expects to handle 65 A380 flights a day by 2015

By then there will probably be many more stands which can handle the 380.
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:29 pm

Is 65 a day 32/33 arrivals/departures or 65 arrivals and 65 departures?

So, what's the breakdown going to be?

Emirates 4 a day
Etihad 2 a day
Singapore 3 a day
Qatar 2 a day
Virgin 5 a day (? how many will VS have?)
Korean 1 a day
Qantas 3 a day
MAS 2 a day
Thai 2 a day

gives 24 arrivals/departures.
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:31 pm

Our bus drove past the 4 A380 stands when we arrived early on NZ2 last Friday and were put on a remote stand. The sight certainly brought home to me what will be dealt with there. However I certainly agree that if more than one arrive close together the queues are likley to be even more impressive unless thereare significant changes in immigration in T3.

I have one question, though, for those that know. As far as I could see there was only one opening for an air bridge on each of the stands. I'm sure I must have missed something - didn't I?
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:49 pm

So if I'm understanding correctly, all A380 flights will be handled at the new terminal? Meaning airlines are going to have to move agents and passengers from terminal to terminal?

For example will a passenger have to check-in with VS in T3 then hussle over to T5 for boarding?
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:15 pm

The new stands are at T3. I think all the earliest users will be based there.

As T3 is bad enough when several 747s arrive at once, (even outside the mornig rush) I hate to imagine what it'll be like when A380s all arrive at the same time. I'd hate to be in the non EU passport queue  Smile
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:09 pm

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 14):
Is 65 a day 32/33 arrivals/departures or 65 arrivals and 65 departures?

So, what's the breakdown going to be?

Emirates 4 a day
Etihad 2 a day
Singapore 3 a day
Qatar 2 a day
Virgin 5 a day (? how many will VS have?)
Korean 1 a day
Qantas 3 a day
MAS 2 a day
Thai 2 a day

gives 24 arrivals/departures.

Virgin will have 6, but they might buy more. Besides, there would be Kingfisher and China Southern.

65 really seems to be a lot. I think that would require orders by UA, AA, BA, NH, and JL.
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:44 am

Who will use the stands at T4? Or are these for when the terminals get realloacted post T5 opening?
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:20 am

They expect 65 flights per day by 2015, ten years from now, so we can probably expect around 25 initially, with the addition of 10 per day per year.
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:23 am

The thing about airport managers is, they use any excuse to BUILD something.........Tullamarine and Kingsford-Smith - alias MEL and SYD - are currently spending $A150M. on 'A380 improvements', a lot of them car parking extensions.

This sort of thing leads to parking charges that are frankly ludicrous. Personally, collecting visitors from Tullamarine, I now time my arrival for half an hour after landing - and even then I have to make sure that I have my credit card handy, or alternatively have plenty of cash, else I would never get out of the place. The odd thing is, there is never any trouble finding a space, the car parks are half-empty.

Going on a trip, I park off-site - my car is under cover, it gets looked after better, it's a helluva lot cheaper, and the minibus only takes five minutes.

Is it just in Australia that airport parking is pricing itself out of business, or is it a general trend?
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 21):
The thing about airport managers is, they use any excuse to BUILD something

Yes, and that is why Southwest is getting ready to move to Boeing Field in downtown Seattle, away from Sea-Tac.
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:15 am

LHR £450 million (about US$815 million) to get ready for the 380? No wonder that some airports are slow to move. That's about the cost of 5 380s if you were the first to order. It is going to be interesting to find out what the landing fees are and how long it is going to recover that cost.
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:40 am

Here's a picture of Pier 6 at Terminal 3 (taken back in April):


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to clarify a few posts from above:

Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 16):
So if I'm understanding correctly, all A380 flights will be handled at the new terminal? Meaning airlines are going to have to move agents and passengers from terminal to terminal?

For example will a passenger have to check-in with VS in T3 then hussle over to T5 for boarding?

No, these Pier 6 gates are at Terminal 3, which is where VS operate from.

In addition to these, 2 gates at T4 are being readied for A380, and T5 has been designed to cope with it (whether BA order it is of course another matter).

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 19):
Who will use the stands at T4?

Qantas currently operate from Terminal 4.

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 9):
65 flights a day spread evenly between 4 stands = approx a 55 minute turnaround for each. A 3 to 4 hour turn would be far more realistic which would result in about 45 flights a day from remote stands. Now that's a lot of coaches needed.

No, Pier 6 are the A380 stands for Terminal 3, as mentioned above, in T4 there will be a further two stands, with more in T5...

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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 19):
Who will use the stands at T4? Or are these for when the terminals get realloacted post T5 opening?

BAA have announced that SkyTeam will move to Terminal 4, alongside with a few more flights from other airlines.
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 16):
So if I'm understanding correctly, all A380 flights will be handled at the new terminal? Meaning airlines are going to have to move agents and passengers from terminal to terminal?

For example will a passenger have to check-in with VS in T3 then hussle over to T5 for boarding?

No there will be A380 stands in terminals 3, 4 and 5...also all of the terminals are being changed soon as well. I believe terminal 2 is closing to be re developed, and the terminals will become associated with the alliances. So terminal 1 will be the star alliance terminal, terminal 5 One World and I think Virgin are being pushed into terminal 4...
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:40 am

Lots of talk about gates, but what about the extra large baggage carousels and the staff to operate them? It might take hours to get your bags.

I also hope BAA will hire a window cleaner for this new glass construction cos the windows in most terminals are so filthy you can't see out of them, never mind take photos.

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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:01 am

Quoting Rwylie77 (Reply 26):
I think Virgin are being pushed into terminal 4...

Incorrect, VS are staying at T3.

They have just opened a new clubhouse there, and there was a press release from BAA a few months ago about the development work being done at T3 check in area for VS.
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Loads of BA 747advanced flights though

When they order them
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:01 am

Those measurements are a bit tight. It says each stand will be 82m wide with the A380 being 79.6m wide. Thats just over a metre clearance each side when you have two or three parked together! The depth is more generous - maybe they're planning for the 900!
 
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RE: LHR - Up To 65 A380 Flights A Day

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:33 pm

Quoting Scott0305 (Reply 30):
It says each stand will be 82m wide with the A380 being 79.6m wide

There are two different figures given on that website:
"An A380 stand is 82 metres wide" and "Each A380 stand measures 89m".
So I think BAA still has problems to convert feet into meters Big grin and I assume that 89 meters would be the more rational figure.

BTW, this coincides with BAA´s wrong comparison "Each A380 stand measures 89m, which is almost the size of Big Ben" as already mentioned by GeoffM in reply #10.
For those unfamiliar with the details, "Big Ben" is only the big bell in the tower of the Houses of Parliament, but not the tower itself ...
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