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jamesag96
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:17 am

For those that can't read...the A320 can not dump fuel.

Oh...and the talking heads on CNN are dumb...just...dumb.
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NIKV69
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 79):
This incident is relatively easy to handle.

This landing is not as easy as you think. This will take all the pilot's skill and he still has to come down on that nose gear at some point. That gear could collapse. I wish them luck.
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Hslightnin
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 85):
This may sound strange, but as the aircraft does not have fuel-dump capabilities, and therefore has to circle for hours, why not just go to JFK? It'll be less of an inconvenience for the pax and will get the aircraft to B6's maintenance facilities.



Quoting COAMiG29 (Reply 89):
why don't they land wheels up to avoid breaking off the main gear(which will probably take somethings with it) and they also don't need to worry about the front of the plane falling and landing on the cockpit adding to the possibility of breakup due to stress?

they said he couldnt get the nose gear to come up so I doubt he could make it to JFK
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:19 am

I'm tracking her on Passur and she's about over Huntington Beach on the 40 mile view.
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swabur
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:19 am

Jetblue says it will be in the air for 90 more minutes
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eg777er
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:19 am

You can't fly higher than IIRC FL 210 with the gear down on Airbus a/c. With that kind of altitude penalty, plus the increased drag of the gear, there's no way they'd have the range to fly to JFK.

Let's hope they get down safely.
 
airborn757300
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:19 am

This is going to be interesting. Instead of 145 now they are getting official numbers from JetBlue of 139. Being a student air taffic controller, I can't image what the skies are like around LAX and surrounding areas right now.

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panaman
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:19 am

Very similar to the AWA flight in Columbus, Ohio in 1999

Here is the link

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001205X00227&key=1
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 85):
This may sound strange, but as the aircraft does not have fuel-dump capabilities, and therefore has to circle for hours, why not just go to JFK? It'll be less of an inconvenience for the pax and will get the aircraft to B6's maintenance facilities.

Are we sure the gear will retract. If not then you wouldn't attempt to fly to JFK with your gear down.
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vc10fan
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:20 am

Lax confirms plane will land at 8.25. Enough fuel for diversion.
 
JBirdAV8r
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:20 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 85):
This may sound strange, but as the aircraft does not have fuel-dump capabilities, and therefore has to circle for hours, why not just go to JFK? It'll be less of an inconvenience for the pax and will get the aircraft to B6's maintenance facilities.

Lots of reasons. Here're a few:

1) You don't want to assume that the gear problem is the ONLY problem you have with the aircraft, or assume that an unknown variable won't rear its ugly head and compromise safety of the aircraft while enroute. It's better to sit and work the problem where they are, within safe distance of some very long runways.

2) Gear would have to remain out (it can't retract), meaning lots of extra drag and a slower cruise. The aircraft doesn't have the range to make it to JFK like that.
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mNeo
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:21 am

Landing will be LIVE on CNN
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SBN580
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:21 am

Yes, NIKV69, the question is when that nose gear shears off, how bad it will damage things aft of it. They keep comparing it to a shuttle landing on MSNBC. Well........
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freedomtofly
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:21 am

It's landing at LAX on rwy 25L.
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AirTranTUS
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:21 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 85):
why not just go to JFK?

The gear won't go up.
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prosa
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:21 am

Quoting Eg777er (Reply 105):
You can't fly higher than IIRC FL 210 with the gear down on Airbus a/c. With that kind of altitude penalty, plus the increased drag of the gear, there's no way they'd have the range to fly to JFK.

Okay, I see now. Thanks.
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JZ
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:22 am

Wish it luck in a few min.
 
380ORD
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:22 am

Live exclusive video feed on MSNBC
 
iowaman
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 85):
This may sound strange, but as the aircraft does not have fuel-dump capabilities, and therefore has to circle for hours, why not just go to JFK?

They can't retract the landing gear, so they would never make it to JFK without running out of fuel because they couldn't go very fast.
 
longhaulheavy
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:23 am

It would be seriously creepy to be watching the flight on their in-flight live satellite TV system. MSNBC was just talking to the passengers (assuming they were able to watch and the crew didn't kill the system).
 
kaitak744
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Freedomtofly (Reply 113):
It's landing at LAX on rwy 25L.

Yes, I am watching my local news. Runway 25L is covered with foam and the aircraft will land there.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 114):
Quoting PROSA (Reply 85):
why not just go to JFK?

The gear won't go up.

Yea, the gear is in a "turn left position" and won't straighten out. There for, it can't retract, or even land normally.
 
deltaflyertoo
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:25 am

Miramar AFB near San Diego is also offering its runway...LA CITY FIre says they have over 100 personal deployed at LAX for this.
 
crogalski
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:25 am

i think that the people talking on the phones need to stop scaring
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Korg747
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:27 am

I'm kind of surprised that the A320 doesn't have a fuel dumping system. Does the 737NG have it?

A question just out of curiosity, the FBW system in the A320s, how does it respond to such a case? because I don't recall any A320 that has encountered this kind of problem before. Does it give full control to the pilot and if not what does it control?
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crogalski
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:27 am

i believe that the A330 and A340 have it
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SBN580
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:28 am

You know smoe shots the entire assembly looks at an angle and others it looks fully extended out. I wonder if they have tried a number of times to raise it some up and down to shake the wheel assembly out of the cocked position. Must be some problem with the nose gear steering control that at take off the wheels locked off ninety degrees.
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N587NK
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:30 am

MSNBC is also reporting that they are lucky its the FRONT nose gear and not the "NOSE GEAR" under the wings. LOL gotta love the media

Just said it should land in 5-10 minutes

Hope it all works out Ok
 
380ORD
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:30 am

does any know of internet scanning links that would have air to ground or ground rescue coverage?
 
JZ
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:31 am

It's going to land on 25L, MSNBC reports
 
crogalski
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:32 am

Quoting N587NK (Reply 126):
Just said it should land in 5-10 minutes

theyve been saying that for 30min!
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swabur
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:32 am

Anyone in the LA area, tune to KABC 7 they have some jackass pilot saying that "They're making a bigger deal out of this that it needs to be"
C'Mon Mav, do some of that pilot sh**!!
 
N587NK
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:32 am

I would say they have disabled the direct TV. If for no other reason, its probably part of there emergency procedures. When they are preparing the cabin for an emergency landing, they dont need pax watching TV, no matter what they are watching
 
JBirdAV8r
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting Swabur (Reply 130):
Anyone in the LA area, tune to KABC 7 they have some jackass pilot saying that "They're making a bigger deal out of this that it needs to be"

That "jackass pilot" is right. It's serious, yes, but I think the amount of media attention this is receiving is borderline ridiculous.
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SBN580
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting Korg747 (Reply 123):
A question just out of curiosity, the FBW system in the A320s, how does it respond to such a case? because I don't recall any A320 that has encountered this kind of problem before. Does it give full control to the pilot and if not what does it control?

Simply, fly by wire is a matter of electronic signals sent to the flight control surfaces, flaps, rudder etc. to control the aircraft instead of cables as other aircraft do. Whether a landing gear system is purely electronic and not hydralic on a Airbus, I can't say.

Fly by wire was not perfected by the Europeans BTW! It was Americans where I worked at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center at EDW that did in the 1970's!
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crogalski
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:34 am

exactly.. this is getting a bit overhand..
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vc10fan
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:35 am

All gear are down, still circling, whole nose gear strut at90 degrees to left. Can A320 dump fuel or not? Should be routine emergency landing but very scarey.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:37 am

CNN is has a pilot on the phone who landed a DC-10 in the 90s.
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mrocktor
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting Korg747 (Reply 123):
I'm kind of surprised that the A320 doesn't have a fuel dumping system.



Quoting Crogalski (Reply 124):
i believe that the A330 and A340 have it

The 320 does not need one, as it is most likely capable of safely landing at MTOW minus a few minutes of fuel burn. Of course if you can safely burn off fuel, as is the case here, no reason not to do so.

The 330 and 340 most likely cannot safely land at MTOW minus a few minutes burn (we are talking structural limits here), thus the fuel dump capability.

On a side note (actually, back on topic), landing in this condition is no big deal really.

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swabur
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:38 am

Ridiculous! You have 145 people onboard with a F#[email protected] up nose gear that is most likely gonna collapse on landing , I would tend to think thats extremely serious. Im listening to SoCal Approach on my scanner, they're saying he's gonna start descending into LAX into about 5 mins with "not good" results. LAX will take it.
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777gk
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:38 am

I could call in and shoot holes in about 7-8 things mentioned on MSNBC in the last 10 minutes. Most notably, how the engines are "almost a second landing gear".

What a crock of shit these "experts" are!
 
Airlinerfreak
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:38 am

I am watching it and my guess is they will land on 25 L at LAX....scary situation...lets all pray everything goes well....LAX can operate without 25L
 
MichiganMAN
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:39 am

Watching on CNN
hope everything is ok.
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vc10fan
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:39 am

Isn't the fly by wire system only resonsible for flight surfaces and engine management? I think it does'nt monitor mechanical function of the landing gear.
 
deltaflyertoo
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:39 am

Okay so its LAX for sure and all traffic to LAX has started to be diverted or held elsewhere. Over 100 firefighters LAPD on full tac alert as well and sending many black and whites to stage w/ fire.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:39 am

It looks like the classic case of someone not installing the centering cam assembly correctly on the nose landing gear. If maintenance can be done cheap, it dosen't matter if it's done correctly, right?  Wink
 
Airlinerfreak
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:39 am

Listening to Socal Approach, tune in if you can....I reccomend it
 
SBN580
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:40 am

There is a possiblity that the nose wheels may snap back in place at ground contact. That would be the best possible scenario. Doubtful though.
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MichiganMAN
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:41 am

anyone got a link to SOCAL approach for online listening?
UK -> USA
 
redngold
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:41 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 132):
That "jackass pilot" is right. It's serious, yes, but I think the amount of media attention this is receiving is borderline ridiculous.

It's LaLa Land, they chase anything that's alive and breathing with helicopters. Remember the WHITE FORD BRONCO?
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swabur
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:41 am

[quote=Airlinerfreak,reply=145]Listening to Socal Approach, tune in if you can....I reccomend it

Im listening a SoCal Approach on 124.05, is that the right freq?
C'Mon Mav, do some of that pilot sh**!!
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