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scottieprecord
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:53 am

man... we almost need to start a new thread for this one.  Smile Great job on the crew's part. I'm glad everything worked out.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:53 am

One of the better landings I have seen.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:54 am

What a fantastic job the entire flight crew did! Talk about holding it off the nose. How many pilots get to do a soft field landing in an A320?

I know when he (or she) t/d on the mains I was shouting "hold it off ...hold it off..."?

Also on MSNBC they had one of the PAX on the phone and he stated the DTV was only turned off 2-3 mins before landing, kind of like on a normal flight.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:56 am

Never mind... seems there are quite a few threads on this. lol  Smile

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:56 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 32):
a layer of foam helps prevent sparks/ignition.



Quoting Swabur (Reply 34):
Airport Fire officials will put foam on the runway to "soften" the runway and reduce the chance

NO, NO, NO!!!!! Foam on the runway actually increases risk on landing. It would cause directional instability on landing.

Quoting Swabur (Reply 130):
Anyone in the LA area, tune to KABC 7 they have some jackass pilot saying that "They're making a bigger deal out of this that it needs to be"

He's right.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 179):
I like the MSNBC reporter says it would be good for the nose gear to break off after landing. Good stuff.

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Quoting IRelayer (Reply 325):
Why didn't they deploy the chutes?

No smoke, no sparks, no fire..... no reason to punch out. More injuries occur on evacuation than from the accident themselves. No reason to risk people to injury when there is no reason to do so.
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:58 am

That was a nice landing! The captain even stopped on the centerline despite no nosewheel, how about that!

TW
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:59 am

Good job. I was really scared when it was on final and then when the friction fire started, my heart was beating out of my chest. Thank God it landed safetly.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:59 am

Simply one the best landings I ever witnessed.Way to go crew!!!!


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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:03 am

You know the old saying, any landing you walk away from is a good landing. This was a very good landing in deed. Thank God!
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:03 am

Wow, if I could shake those pilots hands I would. Excellent job!!!!!
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:04 am

Absolutly amazing landing. Major props to the flight crew. I watched it live on TV, and i have to say im seriousily impressed.
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:04 am

Excellent! B6 has my money for sure now... what a great landing! Well done!
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:10 am

God is to thank. He gave the Crew the strength to land that flight flawlessly.

Way to go JetBlue!! Now that's why I fly this airline.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:13 am

My hat goes off to the flight crew, It was a very good landing  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:13 am

Quoting Vc10fan (Reply 339):
No reverse thrust because broken parts and full throttle engine not good......


No, they would have had a dual LGCIU (landing gear control unit unit) fault preventing the reverse from deploying.

They should have also moved some passengers to the rear of the aircraft.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:14 am

PERFECT! What an amazing landing! Pilots did an awesome job!
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:17 am

That was freaking BEAUTIFUL!

WAY. TO. GO. B6.

Wait, are those pilots male or female? I heard that in this thread somewhere -- wanted to verify.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:22 am

Just remember the fine job the crew did the next time armchair CEO types get critical of pilot salaries. How much was that crew worth today?
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:24 am

I have to say, like everyone else on here I have to hand it to the crew. Right on the centerline....for the entire duration of the landing. And, with how (seemingly) calm the passengers were while exiting the aircraft. Still a great airline, and I won't hesitate to fly them again.
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 357):
Good job. I was really scared when it was on final and then when the friction fire started, my heart was beating out of my chest. Thank God it landed safetly.

omg me too, but it was all fine in the end. Great job pilots and crew!!!!
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:27 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 363):
God is to thank. He gave the Crew the strength to land that flight flawlessly.

Amen. That's what I was praying.
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 363):
God is to thank. He gave the Crew the strength to land that flight flawlessly.

Way to go JetBlue!! Now that's why I fly this airline.

JetBluefan1



Quoting Halophila (Reply 362):
Excellent! B6 has my money for sure now... what a great landing! Well done!

First of all great landing and kudos to the pilots and fa's. Now, what about this whole situation would make someone WANT to fly JetBlue? I know that situations like this happen, but to say that this actually makes you more inclined to fly the airline is foolish. Don't forget, the landing gear did turn 90 degrees before there was a safe outcome. Who knows though, maybe it will turn out to be Airbus's problem.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:33 am

Very nice. Congrats to the Pilot Flying for getting that one down and in one piece, all while making what is possibly the greatest landing I have seen in years. Very nice work, congrats to Airbus, B6, the crew, and the pax.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:36 am

The last time I saw something like this was at JFK in late OCt 2002 with B6. Yes, this is the second time it happened. The aircraft was placed back in service within 3 days.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:53 am

Glad everything turned out OK.


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I wonder though, how did this picture get uploaded and accepted so fast?
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:54 am

Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 367):
That was freaking BEAUTIFUL!

WAY. TO. GO. B6.

Wait, are those pilots male or female? I heard that in this thread somewhere -- wanted to

Congrats to the two chicks who successfully landed that crippled plane.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:58 am

OUT-F**KING-STANDING

UN-F**KING-BELIEVABLE

What an amazing landing...

VSFT
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting MNeo (Reply 184):
On a lighter note, tomorrow/tonight we will see soo many pictures of the plane landing here on A.net

PS: Does anyone know the REG?

I was on a WN flight to SAN and was flying over LAX right around the time the B6 plane landed. Unfortunately I did not get a window...otherwise I would have a nice over-head photo.  banghead 
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Mizzou65201
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:01 pm

Hello all. I live in Westchester (1/2 mile north of LAX north complex) and went to Imperial Hill in El Segundo to watch the landing. You really got a great sense in person of how long the pilot kept the nose up in the air. The nose didn't touch down until the a/c was about even with T4...that's where most arriving aircraft are slowing and vacating the runway to the right. There were some ooohs and aaahs as the light and sparks flared up, but then everyone cheered and applauded as it became clear the plane was stopping safely. The crews from LAFD Crash 80 and the other equipment called in was right on spot and on the aircraft just as it stopped. A job well-done all around.

One note: I did not see any foaming of the runway, if that did happen, it was only at the very far end of 25L. Also, the airport never shut down completely. The south complex shut down as the flight was landing, but the north complex was business as usual.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 375):
I wonder though, how did this picture get uploaded and accepted so fast?

Obviously such hot news photos get a priority processing.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:10 pm

Hi Levg79,

I took that shot of 292 this evening. I was amazed at how fast it was uploaded too. It was amazing in person to see how under control the plane was while it came down 25L. Great job by the jetBlue crew!

-Andrew
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:16 pm

Quoting Greggerm (Reply 323):
Flames may have been residual brake fluid in the front gear getting loose and toasty with the sparks.

There are no front brakes on a A320, what would the residual brake fluid be doing in the front gear?

The strut did not lose any fluid, that can be seen as the plane rebounded when it stopped moving foward.
Same as moderate braking in your car all the way to stop.

Last aircraft I seen use them before they were removed was the 727.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:17 pm

Andrew, all I can say is THAT'S ONE GREAT PHOTO!!!!!!
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:23 pm

I didn't hear about it until I got home.
What a super job by the crew.You could
see the soft touch, from the back to front
tire, on the front strut.

A local channel (9) ,recorded the pilot while burning
fuel off, on a scanner.How cool he(pilot) was in voice!
He only requested that the media be controlled
from the crew.

I also wonder,how long, the runway will be out of
action.

Well Done!!!!!
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:30 pm

Sensational piloting.
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 83):



Quoting MGA (Reply 91):

1) 6 people crew

2) The drag with the gear down is terrible even if they went directly to KJFK they will have probably get a little more than half way.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:41 pm

Absolutely stupendous landing!!!! Hats off to that crew!!!
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:53 pm

If you saw the coverage of the landing on ABC7 here in LA. It was funny how both the pilots they had on to do the commentary Live pissed off the news anchors in saying that this sittuation was not a big thing, one even tried to get off the air while diong the broadcast saying he had to go to his kids softball practice. LOL They were right.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:07 pm

My compliments to the crew aboard this flight. That was a job well done, great job in keeping the nose up as long as possible to prevent the nose gear from collapsing. I'm glad to hear that everyone aboard is OK.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:16 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 351):
man... we almost need to start a new thread for this one. Great job on the crew's part. I'm glad everything worked out.

Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB Pt. 2 (by Crogalski Sep 22 2005 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:18 pm

I thought they would consider flying as far as DEN. It would burn off fuel, and DEN has a nice, long, 16,000 ft. runway. The drawbacks, of course, are that you have to fly over the mountains, which would create a problem if an emergency developed in-route. It looks like they made the right decision.

WELL DONE B6 CREW!

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:34 pm

Quoting F9fan (Reply 391):
I thought they would consider flying as far as DEN. It would burn off fuel, and DEN has a nice, long, 16,000 ft. runway.

If that were the case, they could have flown to LAS, where there is a 14500' runway, and its only 45 mins away. The problem would be that LV emergency rooms and trauma centers were already full since some idiot plowed into 12 people on The Strip earlier that day (11 injured, 1 died).
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:35 pm

Yeah LAX has plenty long runways. If I recall flight 292 landed on one of the 25's. The shortest 25 is roughly 11,000 and the longest 25 is roughly 12,000 feet long. So both are plenty long. It is great to see that everything went well.

TW
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:46 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 97):
Fuel dump systems should be mandatory



Quoting Korg747 (Reply 123):
I'm kind of surprised that the A320 doesn't have a fuel dumping system. Does the 737NG have it?

As Mrocktor points out, a fuel dumping system is to enable a plane to land which has a MTOW much higher than a max landing weight. This is only true of the heavies. On a plane of this size, a fuel dumping system is a waste of weight and money.

Quoting Korg747 (Reply 123):
A question just out of curiosity, the FBW system in the A320s, how does it respond to such a case? because I don't recall any A320 that has encountered this kind of problem before. Does it give full control to the pilot and if not what does it control?

The pilots always have full control unless they try to break the plane. The FBW system doesn't control the gear and nothing changes in this case.

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 133):
Fly by wire was not perfected by the Europeans BTW! It was Americans where I worked at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center at EDW that did in the 1970's!

It was actually done in the 60's for the Apollo program, then adapted by Dryden for a Crusader and later the Space Shuttle.

But one can also argue it was used before by the Canadians for the Arrow.
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:56 pm

It was a picture perfect landing, I am just amazed with the skill level of these Jet Blue pilots, asome job.
 
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:02 pm

I'm really glad everything went smooth at the end.

Is there a video of the emergency landing somewhere available?

Regards,
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:19 pm

There is another photo.


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Also well done to the crew for a good, safe landing.

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:38 pm

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 372):
but to say that this actually makes you more inclined to fly the airline is foolish

I realise it's [probably] standard pilot training to deal with emergencies like this (although I'm not a pilot, so wouldn't know), but as someone who used to, and still does to a certain extent, have a fear-of-flying, seeing a successful outcome to such an event does trigger confidence in an airline and it's ability to deal with this type of abnormality.
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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:06 pm

Congrats to the crew. What a landing.

I was also surprised that the landing gear didn't collaps, good job Airbus!

Now, back to work jetBlue, you have a plane to fix  Smile
have a good day,

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RE: Jetblue A320 In Emergeny LGB

Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:45 pm

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 374):

Is it just my imagination or are there a pile of people hanging off the air stairs at the AA hangar?

Also, I'm not an expert (clearly  Smile) but any ideas why didn't they deplane using the L2 door to reduce the amount of weight/stress up front? Or since there appeared to be a 2nd set of air stairs available ("Stair 80" from ARFF) why not use L1 and L2? I know if I had been involved in that, I would want off as quickly as possible even if there's no immediate danger.

Anyways, congratulations to the crew on a job well done -- this was clearly a matter of skill not luck  Smile

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