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Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:47 pm

Just reading this thread: Which Indonesian Carriers Are Still Flying? (by Airways1 Jun 9 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Can anyone provide an update on Bouraq and the other airlines mentioned in that thread that were about to close? I am also interested in Indonesia Airlines. In the schedules they seem to operate CGK-SUB on a 727? Can anyone confirm?

Also, can anyone tell me if there are any F28s still flying around outside of GA's CitiLink operation?

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:43 pm

Bouraq = no longer operating. Staff are suing management for >6 months unpaid salaries and productivity pay. Currently airline is seeking new investors and the latest is that they're planning to fly again using F28 *see below

Indonesia Airlines = been dead for a while. They may continue to tout and shout that they're flying their sole 727 CGK-SUB but it's nowhere to be seen anywhere but with its wheels on the ground.

F28 operations:
PK-YCM (ex PK-KFD) with Batavia is still flying I think... doing the CGK-PNK-KCH run.
Citilink no-longer operate the F28... The F28s have been leased to Gatari (former heli charter operator who went bust in 2002), planning to fly charters. However, they're struggling to find clients, latest is that they were going to get the F28 chartered for flights in Indonesian Papua, however, news from the F28 community is that it's not taking off... and now *from above*, Bouraq seems to be planning to charter their F28s to recommence flying.

Other F28 operations include Pelita (the Surabaya/Bali to South East Indonesia operations... scheduled charter). Merpati has 1 F28 left, flying around the network like a lost child. Then there's Transwisata, a charter operator that is all Fokker powered (F28, F50, F100), based in Halim.

Jatayu down to 2 732s 1 722s... struggling. 722 is based in Medan now flying that region.

Merpati struggling as always.

Pelita still got no scheduled ops since june... looks like they've abandoned scheduled ops.

Star Air still flying and with good loads.

Express is flying again, doing CGK-UPG-SOQ-DJJ daily.

did I miss anyone out?

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:58 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 1):
Star Air still flying and with good loads.

But there only flies with three B737-200, right?



Is this list correct?

Adam Air: still flies with B737-200(6),-300(2),-400(6), and -500(1)

Air Paradise Intl: still flies with A300-600R(2) and A310-300(2)

Airfast Indonesia: still flies with some helicopters and props, BAe146(1), B737-200(3) and MD-82(2)

Airmark Indonesia Aviation: still flies with F50(1)

Awair: still flies with B737-300 (4?)

Bali Air: does this airline really fly?

Batavia Air: still flies with B737-200(11), B737-400(2) and F28(1)

Bouraq Indonesia Airlines: all aircraft are stored - where?

DAS - Dirgantara Air Services: still flies with props (C212, BN-2, ATR42)

Ekspres Air: still flies with F28(1) and F100(1)

Garuda Indonesia: still flies with A330-300(6), B737-300(13), B737-400(26), B737-500(5) and B747-400(3) - is there maybe the DC-10 (PK-GIC) in service?

Garuda Citilink division: still flies with B737-300(4)

Jatayu Air: still flies with B727-200(1) and B737-200(2) - where are the other 727/732 stored?

Kartika Airlines: flies with B737-200(1) new colors - whats about the F28(PK-NAM) whitch was/is leased from Nurman Avia?

Lion Airlines: still flies with B737-400(4 +2 for BL), MD-82 (9 +2 for 8M), MD-83 (1) and MD-90(2)

Mandala Airlines: still flies with B737-200(13) and B737-400(2) - whats about the B727-200(PK-RIY)?

Merpati: still flies with props, B737-200(10), B737-300(2), F28(1) and F100(1) - which is the single F28?

Nurman Avia: see by Kartika

Pelita Air: still flies with helicopters and props. also flies with F28(3) and F100(2) - most F100 gone

Piau Airlines: still flies with F50(2)

RPX Airlines: still flies with his cargo B737-200(3)

Sriwijaya Air: still flies with B737-200(8)

Star Air (Indonesia): still flies with B737-200(3) - the MD-82/83 are stored or gone.

Top Air (Indonesia): start-up with B727-200(1) planed.

Transwisata Air: still flies with DHC-6(1), F50(3), F28(1) and F100(1)

Trigana Air Service: still flies with DHC-6(3), ATR42(4) and ATR72(1)

Tri-M.G. Intra Asia Airlines: still flies with B727-200F(1 +2 leased out) and B737-200F(1)

Wings Air: still flies with DHC-8(3) and MD-82(6) - does this airline re-registrate it's MD-80 from PK-Lxx to PK-Wxx ? - see picture

Xpressair.com: still flies with B737-200(3)


I have this seen on Speednews:

Quote:
Commercial Aircraft Wanted: · Merpati Nusantara Airlines invites offers for dry lease of 2 to 3 B737-300 and 1 to 2 B737-200 aircraft for a lease period up to 2 year for B737-200 and 3 to 5 year for B737-300. Basic requirement of the aircraft are as under ; a.Year of Manufacture : B737-300 : Not earlier than 1985 with aircraft cycle less than 50,000 cycle B737-200 : Not earlier than 1980 with aircraft cycle less than 50,000 cycle (For B737-200, Preferable for aircraft already in Indonesian register) b.Aircraft shall meet current Airworthiness requirement. c.Aircraft delivery : Before 15th October 2005
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:00 pm

Airmark... Add the AN16 there and an AN12
AWAir 2 - 3 733s, not yet 4 on last count.
Bali Air... GONE
Bouraq... Most of the 2004 additions to BOU fleet are now with Sriwijaya. Those not flying are in Budiarto Airport.
Ekspress Air is Post Prima Express, charter flights only.
GA is no DC10
Citilink AFAIKonly 3 733s.
Jatayu... the 727s and 737s stored in Pondok Cabe airport and in CGK.
Kartika flies with 2 737-200s, both are ex Bouraq. The previous ones are with someone else. No more F28 from Nurman. Nurman (PK-NAM) I last saw just sitting there in remote D apron CGK... 2 weeks ago...
Mandala = 12 732 (RIM crashed), 2 734, no 727s after an incident last year... 727 was wet leased with foreign crew. RUmoured that the botched landing in CGK had the F/E on the Capt Seat, Capt in F/O and F/O in F/E seat. Leasing contract immediately terminated. 1 727 was stuck in Sharjah due to the cancellation and 1 is still in CGK rotting away.
Merpati's 732 fleet is down to 5 AFAIK. F28 = PK-MGK, F100 = MJA
Correct on the Pelita.
Sriwijaya now 12 732s, 4 more coming before end of year.
Star's MD82/83 are now in Budiarto Airport, stored, or still in CGK (didn't see them last time).
Top Air, still 1 722 rotting away in remote C. Roumoured to start CGK-KUL and CGK-JHB soon.
Transwisata's F100 fleet grown, dunno to how many.
Wings... DHC8 only 2 (PK-WIA is missing, WIC and WID has been seen) lease getting terminated end of year. MD80s still under PK-LM*
Xpress Air is now flyExpress. 2 732s.

I'm glad you're keeping track of this Viasa, us down here are also struggling to keep up.

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:59 pm

Thanks for posting this information - It's very useful.

I will be in JKT 26 to 30 December and want to do some flying on some of the above airlines. I was in DPS a few months back and found it to be quite organised. All the airlines had little boothes and I just wandered around from booth to booth to find suitable flights.

Mandala499 - Does JKT have a similar set up? I flew through there on Adam Air but didn't take the time to note the set up of the airline offices.

My main priority is to get on a F28 and a 727. For the F28 I am thinking Pelita Air will work out of DPS and I can organise that when I am in JKT. As for the 727 - do you have any suggestions as to routes? I remember seeing that Jetanyu 727 in SIN a few years ago - what an ugly beast it was in the hybrid AA scheme!
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:30 am

The set up in CGK won't be much different than DPS... just more terminals :P

727? Well, best you fly a Jatayu from Medan for their international flights... a much better chance. But I'll see if I can get the latest on the 727 situation in VJ/Jatayu.

For the MZ F28, it's getting harder. If you have the money and the time, once you get here, I'll call my F28 MZ friend and hop on his or his friend's flight (much better than asking the airline reservations)...  Smile

For Pelita, you can still get on those scheduled charter flights...  Smile

Remember 26-30Dec = booking nightmare!

Drop me an email...

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 2):
Jatayu Air: still flies with B727-200(1) and B737-200(2) -

Could someone tell me if Jatayu still flies to PEN with their 727's?

Cheers, Konstantin G.

[Edited 2005-09-25 02:15:26]
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:41 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 3):
Citilink AFAIKonly 3 733s.

Citilink is now operating 4 B733s, registered PH-GHS/T/U/V.

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 3):
Kartika flies with 2 737-200s, both are ex Bouraq.

At least one of the Kartika 732s ais ex British Airways. The BA livery can clearly be spotted under the all white Kartika paint. Last thing I heard is that this airline is now operating a reduced schedule with only one B732, and no more Surabaya flights.

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 3):
Top Air, still 1 722 rotting away in remote C. Roumoured to start CGK-KUL and CGK-JHB soon.

Top Air was supposed to be back in the air on September 20, with flights to Batam, Johor Baru and Papua.

What is the story with Lintas Nusantara?
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:27 am

Is Independence Air still in flying? oh wait they dont operate in Indonesia...
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:06 pm

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 6):
Could someone tell me if Jatayu still flies to PEN with their 727's?

The latest I heard and read about it is that they don't operate into Penang for the time being, but do have a daily flight into Ipoh, Malaysia. I am, however, not sure about the equipment used.
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:28 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 1):
Bouraq = no longer operating.

Wha!?!?! When did they stop operating? I'm really going to miss that MDC-DVO connection... Sad
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:58 pm

MDC-DVO closed a looong time ago...
Last flight was 15th/17th June or thereabouts... single engined out of SUB and rtb-ed.... and that was the end of them for the moment.

Kartika Version 3 isn't not gonna last long... currently they're on v3.3 *3rd revision on the current plan*... 3 class on domestic on a 732... yea rite...

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:26 pm

@Mandala499: thank you very much for all this information. For us (CH-Aviation) it is very difficult to see whats going on in Indonesia.

Some months ago I found also another airline from Indonesia: Linus Airways

Do you know more about it?


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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:42 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 11):
3 class on domestic on a 732

They are joking right? I mean, seriously, what bright star came up with an idea like that? Very soon we'll be jetting on Kartika Domestic First Class between Jakarta and Batam? I hope the Champagne is cold...

Quoting Viasa (Reply 12):
Some months ago I found also another airline from Indonesia: Linus Airways

That's the one I ment in an earlier post: Linus Nusantara Airways (not Lintas Nusantara, sorry). Last thing I heard about them was that operations were temporarily suspended because of lack of pilots. Any further news?
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:37 pm

And whats about the new Air Efata (former Efata Papua Airlines)? Is the MD-88 (49759/1606) now in Indonesia?
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:55 pm

Viasa:
Linus 732 is parked at Halim Airport...
For CH-Aviation, it's hard to trace the movement of the 732, but here's how it could help...
Divide the 732s under 2 categories:
1. AeroNusantara Indonesia
2. Others.

All falling under #2 are traceable...
All falling under #1 are difficult to trace. Once it's in ANI, it'll be at one airline one month and could be on another next month!

If you follow the movements you've recorded for:
Xpress, Star, Bouraq, Bali Air, Sriwijaya, Kartika, you can see the 732s are just rotating around... Coz they're all ANI's clients.

Sriwijaya's rapid expansion from 6 early this year to the current 11 732s = where did it all come from?
Bouraq had a fleet of 10 before the progressive collapse... There you go, the answer's easy but points at how hard it is to trace them!

I can get people to go around the various airline noting their serial numbers if you want, but it could take a while ! J/K...

OK, Efata is a funny story...
First they flew 727s... then they shut down. Then they split. One team wants to continue on the 727s, the other wanna go use MD88... Then it became the MD83, then it became MD82, then they announced that it was gonna be CGK-TIM non stop on MD82, then it changed to MD83, and now back to MD88 again!

Not flying yet, they've signed crews contract, but not flying, these guys are piling up their liabilities before they even restart... (heard they haven't paid salaries either).

HB-IWC,
Whose bright idea? Well, let's just say it's "cinq-a-sec of money".... But... it has got 3 class service in 2 different layouts. Guess what, its load factors are dismal. There are 2 teams running the show...
Team #1 is the ops guys from Kartika V2.x
Team #2 is the (former) director of operations of Bouraq (on a 1 year unpaid leave)...
The corporate strategy is... Whichever team "wins" at the end of 12 months takes over the whole company's operations!

Laughable? Shamefully yes!

Linus shut down because of high fuel prices, lack of pilots, low load factor, poor marketing. Plane is still in Halim... used for cabin evac training/demo :P

I mean come on... CGK-MES/PKP/BTH and MES-BTH-SUB on a startup planning with 732 and 722 with generous seat pitch, no RVSM at these fuel prices? U gotta be nuts!

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:58 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
The latest I heard and read about it is that they don't operate into Penang for the time being, but do have a daily flight into Ipoh, Malaysia. I am, however, not sure about the equipment used.

well, thanks for the information. Was at the airport today spotting, and LUCKILY saw a Jatayu 727 there, coming from Medan. Phew, just when i thought they had stopped operating that route, I saw the plane. Oh well, everyone makes mistakes, i too beleived that they didn't operate that route anymore, though am more than happy that they still do.

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:09 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 1):
Star Air still flying and with good loads



Quoting Viasa (Reply 2):
Star Air (Indonesia): still flies with B737-200(3) - the MD-82/83 are stored or gone

It was announced today that Star Air will suspend all operations effective Monday, October 3. This will be the second shut down for this airline. Earlier Star, ceased operations on May, 31 and reemerged on July 15 in a leaner version, apparently to no avail, as the seem to be set to shut down for good.

Star Air had nevertheless been flying a limited number of routes with good load factors since restarting in July. It only goes to show how dreadful the Indonesian domestic market has become, with fares that are too low to be sustainable and the airlines not able to increase ticket prices because the market simply doesn't have the buying power and passengers are set to move to other forms of transportation if domestic airfares were to rise.

The lower segment of the Indonesian domestic air transportation market is hopelessly saturated and I would venture to say that even more airlines are likely to cease operations in the near future.
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:04 am

HB-IWC,
Good loads but poor prices.
Made a few "inquiries" into Star after JUL15, loads were good because of the extremely cheap fare they are offering. However, they're doing so at the cost of their most productive staff, their crew. Many left because of the lower salary base, their Chief F/A didn't even consider staying on her job for 1/2 the pay and decided to move to Sriwijaya as a CA3 ! Pilots have moved off too.

Now isn't this the 2nd time Star going to close just short of a high-season period? What does "Ale" wanna miss? His money?

Plus, Mandala is going to operate a severely reduced schedule as of today...

On the Jatayu side, what's keeping the airline alive is the Malaysia routes it's hanging onto... Just goes to show that the domestic scene is absolutely bonkers.

The government can do one simple thing to force fares to become more realistic... create a level playing field in terms of... safety... The current increased levels of ramp checks are making an impact, and airlines will be forced to put fares up for the sake of safety. None of this "minimum fare" cr4p they've been airing in the air. With plans for "absolute cruelty on inspections" planned for the end of Ramadhan, looks like it will just be more interesting!

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
At least one of the Kartika 732s ais ex British Airways. The BA livery can clearly be spotted under the all white Kartika paint. Last thing I heard is that this airline is now operating a reduced schedule with only one B732, and no more Surabaya flights.

I flew from CGK-DPS with Adam Air on PK-KKJ (732) which was still in BA colours. Inside it had Regional Air markings (BA's former franchise in Kenya). Is there more than one aircraft flying around Indonesia in BA colours?

I got the feeling at the time that this aircraft had been chartered by Adam Air (possibly due to technical problems with another aircraft in the fleet) as my flight was delayed by quite some time and then we were all rushed out onto the apron to get on this plane.

I am surprised about everyone talking about how cheap flight are in Indonesia. I took GA403 from DPS to CGK and it was 972,000rp. I was shocked that when I got on board I had a row to myself. I would have thought at that price the flight must have been down to the last few seats.

Also, how is GT Air doing?
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 1):
Then there's Transwisata, a charter operator that is all Fokker powered (F28, F50, F100), based in Halim.



Quoting Viasa (Reply 2):
Transwisata Air: still flies with DHC-6(1), F50(3), F28(1) and F100(1)



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 3):
Transwisata's F100 fleet grown, dunno to how many.

Is it correct that Transwisata is flying one F100 in corporate configuration, PK-TWN (11335) after returning their first F100EJ to Aravco (PK-TWI, 11293)? When did PK-TWN arrive?
What kind of operations do they fly? Any scheduled ops?
BTW, can someone add a pic to the a.net database?

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 1):
Pelita still got no scheduled ops since june... looks like they've abandoned scheduled ops.



Quoting Viasa (Reply 2):
Pelita Air: still flies with helicopters and props. also flies with F28(3) and F100(2) - most F100 gone

Will the last 2 F100 follow the other 4 and return to the lessor? Or do they own these themselves?
Thanks!
Why did they return these 4 anyway. Unpaid bills?
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:14 am

PK-KKJ is registered under Adam Air (PK-KK* is Adam)
Their 732 fleet is "less than perfect" in OTP...
GA's 972k IDR DPS-CGK must be one of the most expensive around  Smile It's got a higher rate per minute than the CGK-SUB route IIRC!

Transwisata is doing charters out of Halim Airport... TWN arrived sometime last year... they had 2 F100 in executive layout... now, I'm lost.

The last 2 Pelita F100 looks to stay there for a while as they are doing the oil charters to Medan, Pekanbaru and Dumai... The other 4 were returned because they were the recent batch introduced to do scheduled service and was "a bit marked up" in their price.

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 21):
The other 4 were returned because they were the recent batch introduced to do scheduled service and was "a bit marked up" in their price.

Three of the four ex Pelita F100s will be joining KLM Cityhopper in the course of October.

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 19):
I took GA403 from DPS to CGK and it was 972,000rp. I was shocked that when I got on board I had a row to myself. I would have thought at that price the flight must have been down to the last few seats.

The Rp.972,000 is an intermediate fare for Garuda on the CGK-DPS route, and if your flight was not full at all, then either someone screwed up booking you a ticket that was too expensive, or you booked too early when lower booking classes were not available.

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 18):
The government can do one simple thing to force fares to become more realistic... create a level playing field in terms of... safety... The current increased levels of ramp checks are making an impact, and airlines will be forced to put fares up for the sake of safety. None of this "minimum fare" cr4p they've been airing in the air. With plans for "absolute cruelty on inspections" planned for the end of Ramadhan, looks like it will just be more interesting!

Absolute cruelty on inspections will probably look like this: 'Your plane isn't airworthy... but I can help you...' More enveloppes will be exchanged than ever before. Also, is there any specific reason to wait with so-called thorough inspections until after Ramadhan? Or are inspectors not up to the job with an empty stomach?

Increasing fares, while necessary, will only serve to force more players out of the market, as with every price increase a new chunk of potential passengers are finding it economically unfeasible to pay for air travel. Bus, train and ferry companies should see increases in passenger numbers. Remember, this is a society where the concept of time has absolutely no meaning. People don't mind sitting in the train for 12 hours between Jakarta and Surabaya as opposed to a mere 1 hours for a plane trip. The only thing that matters is the price.
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:50 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 22):
The Rp.972,000 is an intermediate fare for Garuda on the CGK-DPS route, and if your flight was not full at all, then either someone screwed up booking you a ticket that was too expensive, or you booked too early when lower booking classes were not available.

I suspect it was because I booked to early. The thing is, I wanted to book that fight as early as possible as it connected perfectly with GF 488. I didn't want to wait for cheaper fares and then find out that there were no seats available at all.
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:52 pm

Quoting Intothinair
well, thanks for the info........Jatayu...

Got the info from www.indonetwork.co.id/ptadamskycoairlines that Adamair still flies to Pen from Medan for USD 60 pp. Depart Medan 0745, arrive ? and depart Pen 1010 on return to medan. Apparently only international flight operated by Adamair at this time.

Good to know they are still flying to Pen and that Penang has not lost yet another airline. But given high avfuel prices how long b4 there are casualties?

There are 5 airlines serving Pen - med : MAS, CI, Lion, Jatayu (and if info is correct) ADAmair. Is there really that much traffic to feed 5 ?

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:29 pm

HB-IWC,
Word I got from the field is that the checks are very effective... besides, the crew would ground the plane now if they or the DGAC inspector found a no go thing... regardless if the inspector says "let me help you..."

The thing is, how long will this sudden burst of safety culture lasts?

Well... if fares don't rise, then Darwin's theory will come to play...

People don't mind sitting in the train for 12 hours between Jakarta and Surabaya as opposed to a mere 1 hours for a plane trip. The only thing that matters is the price.

That's the unfortunate truth...  Sad

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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:03 pm

Quoting Peteryeong (Reply 24):
Adamair still flies to Pen from Medan for USD 60 pp. Depart Medan 0745, arrive ? and depart Pen 1010 on return to medan. Apparently only international flight operated by Adamair at this time.

Adam indeed flies to Penang daily, and they claim that a second international gateway is in the making with the opening of a thrice weekly Jakarta-Singapore route on October, 21. I'll believe it when I see though. Last thing I heard was that both the Indonesian and Singaporean governments put the granting of additional rights to LCCs on ice, so I wonder why Adam believes that they will be able to start flying.

Adam has announced all kinds of new flights in the past that have never materialized. Surely, if the Singaporean government were to grant permission for Adam to start operations, that would come at the price of additional access for Tiger and the like to Indonesian airports.
 
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting HB-IWC (reply 26)

THanks for info. Nice to know Pen still has Adamair service and daily!!!

Im still interested if members have any comments to my last post. There are 5 airlines serving Penang-Medan. Lets say each has capacity for 160 pax (although the MAS service is Klia - Pen - Medan and the CI service is Taipei- Pen - Medan so the number of pax ex - Pen would be less because the overall load would include pax from Klia and Taipei respectively)

That translates to almost 800 pax on this route. I would really like to know what load factors the carriers are averaging. Pen- Sin is a heavier route and even then SQ is hard pushed to operate their 777's more than twice daily( on certain days only once daily).

I would hate to see any airline droping out from Pen. It cant be very exciting for Konstantin G to go spotting when there are not that many planes to see. Over the years Pen has lost quite a few services - and sometimes i despair to the point that i would have welcomed Phuket Air on the Phuket- Pen route even though that is one shit airline that has been banned from the UK, France, Holland and rightly so ( not sure about rest of EU).

Pen has lost too many airlines & services:

Mas : Pen - Hkg- Pen
Narita- Pen
Osaka- Pen
Nagoya- Pen
Pen - Chennai-Pen

Eva : Taipei - Pen - Sin -Taipei

Martinair : Amsterdam - Colombo - Pen VV

Thai : Phuket- Pen vv

Cargolux

Regards
PY
 
mandala499
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:42 pm

Here's an update on the Indonesian Airlines 727...



Taken last week by a friend.
The ex-Mandala 727 no longer has engines either.
And the Wings MD is rumoured to be written off... its engines are already on that MD still on Continental colours...

I don't think the Lion guys will be too happy with this pix of the MD being written off being in the public  Smile

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6thfreedom
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RE: Update On Indonesian Airlines

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:08 pm

Gents,

Given the events in Bali last week, what are the likely impact on both GA and AD ops to Australia?

My guess is that AO will probably reduce capacity in the short term. I wouldn't be surprised if the aircraft is used to operate more Phuket charters, or perhaps for AO to finally commence services to Vietnam, which have been mooted for some time.

what are the likely changes for GA, and more importantly for AD.

I guess GA could re-allocate some aircraft to other sectors from CGK, but given that AD's ops are solely based on Bali-Australia, do we see a reduction in 5pw MEL/SYD services, as well as 2pw BNE and ADL, and 5pw to PER??

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