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DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:10 pm

Is it me, or has anyone else noticed how the DC-9 makes quite a huge roar? I was spotting waiting for my flight at LAX this weekend when an AeroCalifornia DC-9 (I think), took off with a huge roar, louder if not the same as the Korean Air 744 and Air Tahiti Nui A340.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:12 pm

I don't think they are as loud as the AA MD-80s. I worked an ABX DC-9 for about a year and it never seemed too loud to me. Those AA planes though...damn.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:20 pm

I LOVE it! I miss being able to powerback our DC-9s from our gate here in LIT. Every airline around us (especially WN) hated it when our 9s would roar back off our single gate. The accoustics of the airport design outside would make or 9 seem 3 times louder than it was. It was even better when we did the same thing with 727s! Now THAT was an Earth shaker!

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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:27 pm

The JT8D is an older design. Back when it was first unveiled, it was the "quietest" engine around. Much better than those water-injected JT3 Turbojets. The JT8D-200 is only a few decibels quieter, mainly because it has a slightly higher Bypass Ratio, and a larger fan, but is still based on the original JT8D engine.
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:51 pm

The sounds of MSP are simply beautiful! DC-9 takeoffs every minute or two. Powerbacks every five or ten minutes during busy times. RJ85 flaps rumbling on finals.  bouncy 

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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
rumbling on finals.


Finals Versus Final - Correct Terminology (by 1MillionFlyer Sep 27 2005 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2005-09-27 06:14:30]
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:27 pm

Flew a NW DC-9 a couple of years ago and you wouldn't imagine the vibration and noise at the back of the plane. AA MD-80's are quite loud too. I'm no A-340 fan but did SFO-LHR-JNB-LHR-SFO a week ago and you wouldn't believe how quiet the VS A-340 was (LHR-JNB-LHR) compared to the 744's operating SFO-LHR-SFO. 744 is still my favorite plane though thanx to noise canceling headphones.
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:42 pm

Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter):
I was spotting waiting for my flight at LAX this weekend when an AeroCalifornia DC-9 (I think), took off with a huge roar

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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:05 pm

Very good picture, talk about rotation!

An old DC-9 Captain for US I spoke with once said the DC-9 was a great airplane. As long as the engines were burning and the wheels were up you were good to go.

No need to "re-boot" like's today's planes  Smile
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:09 pm

AHH, take me back to the days of noisy, dirty first generation jetliners....give me a CV-880 or a DC-8 over an Airbus or a 757 anyday.....
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:34 pm

Speaking of loud... I remember some old 737s that Dragonair owned. Flying out of Kai Tak and over my school, they were always the loudest....
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:40 pm

I think the BAC-1-11 was the loudest commercial airliner I ever heard. They were murderous on the ears, but I loved it  Smile
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:46 pm

If you like the sound of JT8D-powered aircraft, MEM is the place to be. NW uses numerous DC9s on its schedule here and, of course, there's FedEx with scores of JT8D-15, -17 and -217 powered 727-100s and -200s.

I think I hear one right now, as a matter of fact!
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:49 pm

It ain't noise, son, it's MUSIC. Oh, for the old days, when you could not just hear, but FEEL a jet passing overhead....
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:14 pm

Well Kiddies, you should have been around in the 60's when jets sounded like jets and not the wimp-ass things we have today. The nine and 737-200 used to make lots of noise before Uncle Sam made the airlines go to hush kits.

I always thought the noisest plane was the caravelle or 707/DC 8 water- burners(before fans).
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:14 pm

I was lucky enough to fly on a FL DC-9-30 in 2002, ATL-MDW. A 717 was scheduled to operate the flight but it went tech, so we got the old 9er. We powered back from the gate too, it was a first for me and it was pretty amazing. It seemed so effortless... There were about 40 pax on board so I just went all the way back and sat by the engine. Although louder than today's 737s and A320s, it wasn't all that loud. I also flew on a DL MD-88 for the first time a couple of months ago, my seat was over the wing, not all that far from the engines, but that seemed like one quiet plane. Probably the most quiet aircraft I've flown in, after the 717 and A340.

As far as noisy aircrafts go, I'm sure Russian technology beats everyone. Nothing like a Tu-154B or Il-62 taking off. Then again, there was the Cocorde too...
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:56 pm

The louder, the better - no question.... Let me throw in the Vickers VC-10 - now there's an example of noise and smoke - the most beautiful airliner ever built, in my opinion.

And since we're getting understandably sentimental about DC-9s, I thought I'd share with you what I am about to do as I write this. The last (and only) time I ever flew aboard a DC-9 was for my 10th birthday, literally this time in 1989. My parents took myself and my brother to London for the weekend, on a British Midland DC9-32 (MME-LHR-MME). I remember sitting about 4 rows from the back and noticing how quiet the cabin was on take-off compared to the Boeing 737-200 - the only aircraft type I had flown on until then. It was a really memorable trip for me, as I was fanatical about aircraft as a child, and it was my first visit to LHR. The trip on the DC-9 really made it a fantastic trip.

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But right now, on the eve of my 26th birthday (that is just a coincidence), I'm sitting in the C I P lounge at KHI (not that I'm in any way a C I P, admittedly), about to take ANOTHER DC-9 trip!

I'm holding a boarding pass for flight E4 744 KHI-AUH, and the flight is scheduled to be a DC-9. If worst comes to worst, and there is an equipment swap, I could be on a 737-200. Don't get me wrong, a 737-200 is a fantastic aircraft which I love to fly on, but I really hope I get the DC-9, as scheduled. I've probably cursed it now.... I guess you'll see when I post my Aero Asia trip report - look out for it  Wink

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RE: DC-9 Noise

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:00 am

Growing up, it wasn't difficult to learn to differentiate the sound of a DC-9 overhead from other aircraft.  wideeyed 

The times I actually travelled inside a DC-9, I was towards the front of the plane, so noise wasn't a big deal. But once, I was at the back and my companion and I had to literally shout to each other to be heard. By the time we landed, I was hoarse and she was deaf. lol
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:06 am

727-100/200 non ADVs, Tridents and BAC 1-11s were VERY loud upon takeoff. On the subject of loudness of thrust reverse upon landing, the Trident and the RR Conway 707s were champs.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:02 am

Hi!

For me the most noisy DC-9 was the 50 series! That plane had a huge amount of noise on take-offs!!!
But REAL NOISY airplanes were all the turbojets, any of them. I recall well the Caravelle, the Comet, the Trident, the Bac 1-11 and the diesel 707's and DC-8's!!! I found the Super VC10 a quite silent airplane but with a very unique sound!!!
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:29 am

a bit off topic, I flew on Jetsgo a year ago on the MD80 and on their safety brochure I believe they claimed that their interior noise was less decibels than an Airbus. Whether this was to fool some of the unweary jetsgo pax or if it was actually true, it kinda discredits some opinions about it being sooo loud inside an MD80. I remember reading it on the plane, perhaps other airlines have something similiar?
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting CV990 (Reply 19):
That plane had a huge amount of noise on take-offs!!!

Probably because on the -50, the pilot has to push the throttles all the way up. That plane is severely underpowered... anything less than 98% I imagine, would not get it off the ground.
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:40 am

Hi!

Thanks a lot BR715-A1-30! So there was a reason for that and not just an impression!!! I remember specially the Swissair ones that I used to see at LIS. Interesting is that when I flew the 50 series it didn't looked that bad, but I was in a row just ahead of the wing!
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:09 am

You want to talk about roar and thunder. How many of you ever stood at the edge of Gravely Point at DCA in the 70's and 80's watching those jets take off. Those 727's would taxi into take off position almost on the grass. They would spool it up for about a minute at full power before releasing that bad boy. Your ears would be ringing after watching a few of those take off and they used every inch of runway. No fun any more, those 757's are in the air storing their landing gear and flaps before they clear half the runway. Oh, and those northbound takoffs, that was another show altogether.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:45 am

if you can't feel it in your chest,it isn't loud enough.
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting CV990 (Reply 19):
But REAL NOISY airplanes were all the turbojets, any of them. I recall well the Caravelle, the Comet, the Trident, the Bac 1-11 and the diesel 707's and DC-8's!!!

The 1-11 and the Trident both had turbofan engines. Rolls-Royce speys. the 1-11 had 2 and the Trident had 3. They were very early turbofans.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:56 am

Its not really that loud..jet engines sound like music to me though.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:57 am

CV990, No problem... I dunno if you noticed, but the DC9-50 is a little slower on takeoff than the -30. The MD-87 is basically a DC9-50 with a higher gross weight, but the engines used are JT8D-217C, which if would have been around when the -50 was produced, I can bet the ring on my right pinky that they would have gone with those.
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:37 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 11):
I think the BAC-1-11 was the loudest commercial airliner I ever heard.

I remember read on this forum that the loudest plane ever measured on takeoff at LHR was a BAC Trident 3 with all three Speys and the RB.162 booster engine running full blast at takeoff. It was louder than a Concorde, of all things!  eek 
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:37 am

Now, if you want a quick take off - think back to the dc-9 10 -- that plane could fly. The 50's have an issue, especially in hot and humid weather, but once they're in the air, they climb well. The 30's are still fun --

I love the airbus (airbi????) very comfortable plane, 319,320, 330 and 340, and I also love the 757, but I guess the dc-9 is my most favorite plane. I do dislike the RJ's - they are not a civilized plane for more than a hour, and I regularly end up on a Continental ERJ for some 700 miles - wears me out, even on the "a" side
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 8):

No need to "re-boot" like's today's planes

Or do a virus scan every 100 hours  wink 

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 13):
It ain't noise, son, it's MUSIC.

OH YEAH!!! Big grin

I love the DC-9. Especially that "whine" and "scream". Music to my ears, especially the transition from power to idle to thrust reverse. Gotta love it!  thumbsup 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:09 am

I remember a flight from DTW-DCA a while back on a NW DC-9-30, I was about 3 rows from the back, and on take-off and climb, I couldn't hear the kid next to me talk (which wasn't much of a disappointment  Wink) because it was so loud. My ears actually hurt after a while, but I wasn't complaining; the DC-9 is one of my favorite planes, and I hope NW keeps them forever! I can always tell when one flies over my house because it has a distinct rumble that no other plane can match (I don't get any 732s, 727s, or DC-8s out here), kind of like a little bit o' thunder  Smile.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:15 am

It is bad if you are in the "Non-rev," or last row, on a DC-9, especially if the plane has an intermix.

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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:25 am

Quoting AirWest (Reply 32):
It is bad if you are in the "Non-rev," or last row, on a DC-9, especially if the plane has an intermix.

Boy, you've got that right. I remember flying ARN-AMS on a KLM DC-9 back in 1985. I sat in the rear section of the plane about 10 rows from the back (first row of the Y section in those days) and the noise was DEAFENING.

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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:56 am


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One heck of a ride here, and this was louder than sitting next to an engine on the 727. On that -14, the girl next to me was trying to talk to me about my camera etc, we were pretty much having a yelling match it was so loud. I even noticed a F/A in first cupping her ear and leaning over to a pax to get his drink order. Good times Big grin

That same day I flew on a -50 as well, had quite a whine on departure and climb out.

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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:02 am

This is why God invented the noise canceling headset.
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter):
Is it me, or has anyone else noticed how the DC-9 makes quite a huge roar?

Ummm, ... what's a DC-9 ... I seem to remember flying them in the late 70's, but are they still flying in western countries?
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting Slarty (Reply 36):
Ummm, ... what's a DC-9

PLEASE say you are being sarcastic, LOL!!  Smile
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:20 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 37):
PLEASE say you are being sarcastic, LOL!!

Well, actually no ... last time I was on a DC-9 (not the MDX variants) was late 70s on Republic Airlines into Madison, WS (amongst others)
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:29 am

Hmm, after reading this thread, I´m even more looking forward to my first flight on a DC-9 (BDL-DTW in December on NW), can´t wait!  Smile

Quoting AirWest (Reply 32):
It is bad if you are in the "Non-rev," or last row, on a DC-9, especially if the plane has an intermix.

When you select seats on NW´s website, you can see that the last row of the DC-9 is actually reserved for premium passengers...the people at NWA seem to know what is good for their best customers  Wink
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:54 am

The last row of DC-9's with NW do NOT have windows. You get to sit next to Mr. Pratt and Mr. Whitney.
If you want to sit near the engines and still have a good window view of the ground, flaps and spoilers, I suggest row 19 of the 30's, row 21 of the 40's and row 24 of the 50's.
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter):
AeroCalifornia DC-9 (I think), took off with a huge roar, louder if not the same as the Korean Air 744 and Air Tahiti Nui A340.

Actually even the 747s and a340s are not as loud as the AerCalifDC9s. I think Mexican airlines in general have louder engines on their A/C, it could be that they use older types, I don't know. The Aviacsa 732s have equally loud engines also.
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:23 pm

O cmon guys you are all babied by todays quiet Boeing/Airbus aircraft and that's why the DC-9 sounds so loud. Try listening to a Tu-134 on takeoff or a Tu-154B, they make the alarms on every car go off. But yea DC-9 still isn't that quiet, I enjoy it  Smile
 
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting Slarty (Reply 36):
Ummm, ... what's a DC-9 ... I seem to remember flying them in the late 70's, but are they still flying in western countries?



Quoting Slarty (Reply 38):
Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 37):
PLEASE say you are being sarcastic, LOL!!

Well, actually no ... last time I was on a DC-9 (not the MDX variants) was late 70s on Republic Airlines into Madison, WS (amongst others)

Little hint here (assuming that you're serious in Reply #36) the Republic Airlines DC-9 you flew on back then is still around only opeating as a "Red tail".

Since you're fairly new to A.net (welcome aboard BTW), I suggest you do a DC-9 Search in either the Photo database or in the Civil Aviation forum and you will clearly find out why BR715-A1-30 asked you if you were being sarcastic.

Back to the topic at hand:

While growing up in the early-to-mid '70s in the Greater Boston area; my parents took my brother & I out to Saratoga Street (Route 145) at the East Boston/Winthrop border many times to see the planes land at BOS' Runway 22L. Whenever a DC-9 (or 727 for that matter) got close (& flew overhead), I literally had to cover my ears with my hands as the plane flew by... not to mention the old black exhaust smoke streaks that followed.

Those years, I remember seeing many DC-9s from AL, DL, EA, & NE (pre-DL); there probably were a few others but those airliners were the ones I can vividly recall. The first "family" spotting trip that I can remember; I was probably 4 or 5 at the time.
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RE: DC-9 Noise

Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:11 am

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 13):
It ain't noise, son, it's MUSIC. Oh, for the old days, when you could not just hear, but FEEL a jet passing overhead....

Bingo!

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 14):
Well Kiddies, you should have been around in the 60's when jets sounded like jets and not the wimp-ass things we have today.

I second that  bigthumbsup 

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