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New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:39 am

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q3/nr_050930g.html

"Boeing has selected Thales as the first recommended in-flight entertainment provider for the B787. The new Thales system, called the TopSeries i-8000, uses a wireless network to deliver DVD-quality video to each seat on the airplane. The Thales product interfaces with the Connexion by Boeing system that provides broadband connectivity for the 787 and allows passengers to access the Internet and e-mail systems."

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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
the TopSeries i-8000, uses a wireless network to deliver DVD-quality video to each seat on the airplane.

So will this mean no more pesky IFE box under the seat?
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
So will this mean no more pesky IFE box under the seat?

Good point! And I believe this is one of the arguments for going wireless. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!!  crossfingers  Those boxes can be a real pain...

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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:14 am

Is this the same one as on the 380 ?
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
So will this mean no more pesky IFE box under the seat?

It would seem so.

This sounds like excellent news for the flying public in general. Way to go Thales and Boeing.

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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
So will this mean no more pesky IFE box under the seat?

I'm sure there will still need to be electronics. Perhaps they can mount it behind the screen? Anyway, I'm sure it will be smaller than the current generation. Electronics are always getting smaller.
 
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:44 am

Wireless? I'm guessing it ain't exactly going to be bog standard 802.11a/b/g.
 
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:48 am

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 6):
Wireless? I'm guessing it ain't exactly going to be bog standard 802.11a/b/g.

It will probably be A.

The key to equipment like this moving forward is common-off-the-shelf parts to drive down size and cost.

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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
So will this mean no more pesky IFE box under the seat?

Thank goodness, I hate those damn boxes!!!!  Sad
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:26 am

I'm very very curious to see how the MPAA will react to this given how paranoid they are about content delivery systems and 'Early Availability' content. WPA is fairly secure but if this system is standards based it's going to be a hacker's dream.
 
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:27 am

Air Canada's new IFE system is being installed underneath the floor of its aircraft. I wonder if they'll do a rethink and go with wireless instead, so that the fleet with have commonality (as they're bound to eventually sign a new deal with Boeing for new planes)?

[Edited 2005-09-30 22:29:25]
 
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 9):
WPA is fairly secure but if this system is standards based it's going to be a hacker's dream.

If it's not standards based, then it will not be nearly so well tested and almost certainly much more vulnerable.
 
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:34 am

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 9):
WPA is fairly secure but if this system is standards based it's going to be a hacker's dream.

I'd love to see a hacker on an aircraft with the resources to defeat temporal key encryption.

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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:40 am

I would assume they would use whatever is compatible with standard wireless enabled laptops. Part of the release said that it would offer connections to internet / email, which suggests some sort of standard platform.
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
So will this mean no more pesky IFE box under the seat?

Even the current generation Panasonic eFx system has virtually eliminated the intrusion of underseat boxes. The underseat units my company have selected for this system are very slimline, a couple of inches accross and there is less than one underseat box per row... Even if you do have an IFE box under the seat infront of you, it is hardly any wider than the seat-leg and has virtually no impact on comfort.

See this press release

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The eFX installations, total system weight 2,600lb, are being carried out by GAMCO in Abu Dhabi. Hangar time per aircraft is four weeks. First Choice is the first Panasonic customer to receive the company’s VSEBQ seatbox, designed to cut box count by serving nine seats versus the three typical of current units. Being offered as a low-weight option for eFX and the next-generation eX2, the box weighs just under four pounds, a third less than conventional units. A First Choice 767 has 33 VSEBQs, each attached vertically to a seat leg at intervals through the cabin.

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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 10):
Air Canada's new IFE system is being installed underneath the floor of its aircraft. I wonder if they'll do a rethink and go with wireless instead, so that the fleet with have commonality (as they're bound to eventually sign a new deal with Boeing for new planes)?

The i8000 isn't currently available. It's in development, with a prototype scheduled for delivery to Boeing by the end of 2006. AC is installing the i4500, which the Thales website appears to suggest, is the current top-of-the-line product. AC is the first to install the i4500. The 787 isn't entering commercial service until 2008, so it is possible that the i800 isn't ready for commercial service either. I don't think AC is inclined to wait another 2-3 years for the i8000 in terms of its Embraer and CRJ-705 fleets.

Interestingly, this article suggests that there is only a miniscule weight saving achieved by going wireless, and the key benefit in wireless will confined mainly to widebodies where airlines do periodically reconfigure the seating to add or subtract F/J capacity, or adjust the seat pitch. On AC's regional jets, even on the Airbus narrowbody fleet, this would not be an issue. It has some relevance to the 763 and Airbus widebody fleet, but those are scheduled for retirement over the next decade anyway, so why not go with the wired system now, especially since there is no box whatsoever beneath each seat.

http://www.shephard.co.uk/Inflight/D...0c5f28-9184-427d-b529-e59d87aa1669

[Edited 2005-09-30 23:00:07]

[Edited 2005-09-30 23:02:08]
 
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
so why not go with the wired system now, especially since there is no box whatsoever beneath each seat.

I think the fact that the wireless would allow them also to have the wireless networking for people, without extra weight, or at least less weight. If you go wired, you have to also have the wireless stuff for the network availability.

Just a thought.

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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
So will this mean no more pesky IFE box under the seat?

I we could only have wireless power supply..
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 14):
The eFX installations

Also on EEZ's A320 (or A319 can't remember) configured as corporate/business aircraft.

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
so it is possible that the i8000 isn't ready for commercial service either.

The Thales i5000 system (for the A380) has not flown yet and is still undergoing tests, so believe me the i8000 is far far far from being ready and fully developped.
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:21 am

What is Airbus pushing for the A380?
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:55 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 17):
I we could only have wireless power supply..

You can, but the problem is if you step into the way of the transmission the water inside your body would start to boil. (Microwave power transmission works great)

I'm not surprised there isn't a lot of weight savings. Most of the weight will go into the power equipment and protectives for the screens, not the electronics. The wireless allows for quick-and-easy cabin reconfiguration and troubleshooting. Next big revolution will be lighter displays.
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:02 am

So, if the screen in front of you isn't working, could they give you a little unit and "tune" it to the aircraft's IFE network?
 
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RE: New Thales I-8000 IFE For The B787

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 21):
So, if the screen in front of you isn't working, could they give you a little unit and "tune" it to the aircraft's IFE network?

In theory, sure. The problem with that is that they wouldn't want to carry those backup units around. Anything like that has a battery, and batteries are heavy and fail eventually. It's just a lot of weight and storage issues. They'd much rather the IFE work right. I could see some carriers carrying a very small number though just in case, if they felt the need and the mfgr creates them. (Necessary for a proprietary system like that)
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