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Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:18 am

Hi!

I would like to do a list of the different A380 seat layouts that will be used by the diferent airlines operating them... I don't mean seat maps (which I think there aren't any availible yet)...
Just the number of F/J/Y+/Y seats.

Some airlines (Air France for example) have already revealed the number of seats of each class they are going to configure their A380's with.

__ F----J----Y+----Y----Total

AF 9----80----0----451----540


Could you guys help completing this list please.. So that we can compare the different seating arranjements.

Thank you in advance!


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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting A360 (Thread starter):
__ F----J----Y+----Y----Total

AF 9----80----0----451----540

Only nine in F?!?!?!  Confused
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:28 am

There is an A380 layout on V-Flyer.com... I don't think it's an official one, but it gives a good idea of what it should look like with current seat offerings.
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:31 am

Here it is:
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:02 am

^That seat layout has some big errors in the upper deck.

The upper class config on the upper deck would be like in the 346, which means a 3 abreast, and not 4.
The opposite happens with Exec. Eco. It would be a 7 abreast and not 6 like in he picture.  

But thank ou guys for posting the link!  


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[Edited 2005-10-02 21:04:45]
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:17 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 4):
The upper class config on the upper deck would be like in the 346, which means a 3 abreast, and not 4.
The opposite happens with Exec. Eco. It would be a 7 abreast and not 6 like in he picture.

Not only that, but it seems to be missing all the cool features that were supposed to make the experience better than a 747. Seems pretty much the same type of layout with better IFE to me. I thought VS was going to do some kind of lounge besides the bar, or is that taking up lower deck space?
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:22 am

^I'il believe in all the new ameneties when I see them(but I believe that VS will actually have some in their 380's).
Anyway, I wouldn't give any credit to that seat map mate.  Wink
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:24 am

Hehe, I like the preemptive disclaimer on v-flyer.com's seatmap. And speaking of preemptiveness (if that's a word), A360?  Smile

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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:37 am

Are they expecting the upper deck economy passengers to trudge all the way to the back of the aircraft, down the stairs and then most of the way forward again to get off, or are they going to have them trudging through two sets of first class seating just to show them off?  Smile
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 7):
And speaking of preemptiveness (if that's a word), A360?

Speaking of preemptiveness? What do you mean?
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:21 am

I recently completed a 100 mark Airline Management Project on Emirates Airlines and while researching on their A380 operations and plans i came across a few articles which mentioned the following three diff configurations for EK.
From my project----

A380 configuration will be 489 seats in three classes for the longer routes, such as New York/ Dubai,
A380 configuration will be 517 in three classes for the medium routes, such as Dubai/ London,
A380 configuration will be 644 for certain high density and relatively low-yielding markets.
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:29 am

^Thank you!  Smile

__ F----J----Y+----Y----Total

AF 9----80----0----451----540
EK1 ?----?----0----?----489
EK2 ?----?----0----?----517
EK3 0?---?----0----?----644
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:41 pm

A short note to my above post : the 644 configuration of EK will NOT have any First class and will consist of only Buss and Cattle classes
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
I thought VS was going to do some kind of lounge besides the bar

I think we all know VS are the biggest bullsh*t merchants in the airline industry, they're reputation is dwindlinga dn rightly so. They were awesome in the mid 90s but they are not the leaders they once were.

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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:17 am

Hey, they DO have a bar while most airlines don't, as well as massages and free limo or motorcycle transfers, so they do offer such things, right? Or is that all a hypnotic illusion when you enter.
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:22 am

Ok, i've searched in the forum for older threads about it, and this is the information I was able to gather(most of it it's just a prediction/planning made by the airlines.... nothing for sure yet):


....................F.....J.....Y+....Y...Total

AF............... 9.....80...0....451...540
EK (1)...........?.....?.....0.....?.....489
EK (2)...........?.....?.....0.....?.....517
EK (3)...........0.....?.....0.....?.....644
QF...............?.....?.....?.....?.....501
SQ...............?.....?.....?.....?.....480
Kingfisher...?.....?.....?.....?.....496
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:12 pm

Quoting A360 (Reply 9):
Speaking of preemptiveness? What do you mean?

I was wondering about your username  Wink

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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:35 pm

According to A360 post most of the layout is around 500 seats... for an aircraft designed to carry up to 800 seats and having 50%? more interior space than the 747 (is 50% correct i'm not sure ?).

So is it illogical to think there will be quite a lot of a ameneties ?
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:36 am

^Hum... Doesn't really mean that... you just need to do some simple calculations.

Standard A380 3 class capacity: 555 pax
Standard B744 3 class capacity: 416 pax

Carrying 500 pax in a A380 is a 90% usage(555/500).

A 90% usage in a B744 would be 374 pax (416*0.9) which is quite normal.

So... 500 is not few people for an A380... it's equal to 374 in a B744.


We'il just have to wait and see fore the amenities... it's true that the 380 has alot more floor space than the 744...

As for the first costumer to fly it, Singapore Airlines, they will fit their A380's with 480 seats (0.86 "density") which is less than what they have in their most spaciously configured B744's with 373 seats (0.89 "density"), so, the A380's will, undoubtedly be more confortable!  Smile


PS: BA flyes some of their B744 with just 291 seats... If they used then same density in an A380 it would have just 388 seats.  Wink
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:19 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 18):
BA flyes some of their B744 with just 291 seats... If they used then same density in an A380 it would have just 388 seats.

That would mean 90-100 J and 14-20 F depending on how you want to do it. That's a lot of premium on one flight, not to mention the Y+ at 38" pitch BA has on that plane.

With that kind of config, I'd love to see the A380 have the entire top deck be Business, like it's own private 2-2-2 widebody business jet with lie flat at 90-96 seats, the front of the lower deck be first suites (1-2-1) for 14-16 F, then right behind door 2, spacious 38" Y+ for 2 "1/2" rows (2-blank-2) and 4 full rows (2-4-2) config for 40 seats, then the rest of the plane be 3-4-3 Y for 250 seats or so (25 rows at 33").

That's a great configuration at about 400 seats! And if the airline can fill all that premium space, that's a profitable arrangement.

At airports with 3 jetways, J is boarded directly from the top, F is boarded at Door1, and Y/Y+ at door 2. For 2 jetway airports, premium is boarded at door 1, Y/Y+ at door 2. Either way, the "well to do" never have to even see the "rif-raf" in Y, especially if the premium jetways have options to board directly from premium lounges...
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:06 am

^That would be a sweat configuration.
I'm just not sure you could put 90-100 modern J seats on the upper deck alone. But I don't think so.
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 18):
Standard A380 3 class capacity: 555 pax
Standard B744 3 class capacity: 416 pax

Carrying 500 pax in a A380 is a 90% usage(555/500).

A 90% usage in a B744 would be 374 pax (416*0.9) which is quite normal.

So... 500 is not few people for an A380... it's equal to 374 in a B744.


We'il just have to wait and see fore the amenities... it's true that the 380 has alot more floor space than the 744...

As for the first costumer to fly it, Singapore Airlines, they will fit their A380's with 480 seats (0.86 "density") which is less than what they have in their most spaciously configured B744's with 373 seats (0.89 "density"), so, the A380's will, undoubtedly be more confortable!

Well, the A380 at 100% capacity (555 seats) will already be more spacious per person than a 747 at 100% capacity (416 seats).
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 18):
As for the first costumer to fly it, Singapore Airlines, they will fit their A380's with 480 seats (0.86 "density") which is less than what they have in their most spaciously configured B744's with 373 seats (0.89 "density"), so, the A380's will, undoubtedly be more confortable!

IMO, 3% doesn't seem like a dramatic difference.
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:46 am

Imagine a charter/IT carrier ordering A380s? They would probably opt for 11 abreast seating! Charter carriers (particularly British) have always been good at addind on an extra seat row like BY 767-2-4-2 etc.

Wonder if Airbus would be happy to configure an A380 in 11 abreast and what would be the maximum cpacity in an all economy class seating arrangement?
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:53 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 20):
I'm just not sure you could put 90-100 modern J seats on the upper deck alone. But I don't think so.

To figure that out, I messed around on Airbus's site to "count" the upper deck as they have it with 40" pitch J and 32" Y. I figured out how many rows of 40" J there would be if the whole deck was 2-2-2 J, then multiplied it by 2/3rds to get the 60" pitch count. It works out to be 90-100, give or take!

Then, you can fit about 14F suites in the front cabin on the main deck. 4 along each side and 3 rows of 2 in the middle. Then you have room for 40 Y+ and about 250 Y. And of course that ratio could be modified based on market demand for Y+ vs. Y on the routes they planned it for.

I'm assuming that BA could use such a config on the routes they use the 70J 744s now. But BA could also use an 80J 747Adv on those routes without such a dramatic increase in capacity. Either way, it would be cool.
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:53 am

^The aim is for the A380 to be certified to a max of around 850 pax.

3-4-3 in a 777 is not good.... 3-3-3 in a 340 is bad... 2-4-2 on a 767... Ouch!!

As for 3-5-3 it's not going to be a big deal.... since add 1 when you have 10, is much less noticeable than add 1, when you have 7 for example. Besides, the 380 lower deck, is wider than the 747 lower deck, which means that the 380 can have a confortable 10 abreast sitting... and 11 abreast should not be too bad.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 22):
IMO, 3% doesn't seem like a dramatic difference.

No, it won't, but as Kaitak744 refered:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 21):
Well, the A380 at 100% capacity (555 seats) will already be more spacious per person than a 747 at 100% capacity (416 seats).

So, I believe that, although not from another world, the SIA A380 will be noticeably more confortable than their 744's.
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 25):
So, I believe that, although not from another world, the SIA A380 will be noticeably more confortable than their 744's.

I hope so. Sounds like one I'd like to try.
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:48 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 22):
IMO, 3% doesn't seem like a dramatic difference.

Actually, it's a much bigger difference.

A typical SQ B744 has 375 seats in an airplane which according to Boeing can seat 416 pax. That's a seat factor of 90 percent.

The A380 has 50 percent more floor space, meaning that it would have been able to accommodate 624 seats at the same comfort levels as the typical B744. With 480 seats in that airplane, the seat factor is 77 percent. Or to put it another way, the SQ A380 would have been able to accommodate 563 seats at the same comfort level as the SQ B744.

So the SQ B744 has 90 seats on the same floor area where the SQ A380 has 77 seats. That's 15 percent more space per seat on the A380.
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:49 am

I was curious as to how many FA's might be required to staff such an aircraft, so I did a bit of estimating based on AF's configuration:

F (Assuming a pax:FA ratio of 6:1): 2
J (Assuming a 15:1 ratio): 5
Y (Assuming a 50:1 ratio): 9

Total: 16

Does this seem accurate based on what people know about crew staffing? Again, this is just a guess.

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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:21 am

RedChili, I don't think you should base the calculations on floor space.
Although it's something that shouldn't be forgotten... but you got to remember, that there is non usable floor space in the A380, as the floor space too close to the upper deck walls for example. On the upper deck the seats must be a little bit away from the wall, because the wall curves alot, so, that floor space is not used.

The A380 has 50% more floor space than the 744, but can't seat 50% passengers with the same level of confort. The 416 pax for the B744 and the 555 pax for the A380 standard configs should have more or less the same level of confort. A bith higher on the A380 because of the floor space factor.
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:37 pm

Quoting A360 (Reply 29):
but you got to remember, that there is non usable floor space in the A380, as the floor space too close to the upper deck walls for example.

Could be. Actually, this question will vary depending on how the individual airlines will choose to make the interior, and it will vary depending on what my personal preference of space is: a wide seat or a big seat pitch?

This is hard to measure in mathematics. But the mathematics surely suggest that the airlines have a lot of space to play with, to make a potentially spacious airplane.
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:10 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 30):
This is hard to measure in mathematics. But the mathematics surely suggest that the airlines have a lot of space to play with, to make a potentially spacious airplane.

Yes, there's alot of options to config the A380 seat laout.

For example, if you put some angled business seats on the upper deck, which means turning them to the sides... like in the new Virgin upper class(on which people more or less face the wall), you could put the feet right next to the wall, and the curvature of the fuselage would be no problem, as don't need space at shoulder height in the place for the feet.

That way, you used all the floor space on teh upper deck! Big grin
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 31):
That way, you used all the floor space on teh upper deck! 

Not really, because then you still end up with a 1-1-1 like VS has on the 340s, as there is not enough room to do 1-2-1 even with those extra few inches. You'd end up with wider aisles, not more seats. Not that there's anything wrong with wider aisles, but you can't sell those.

Further, the VS seats face AWAY from the windows, not toward them on the VS plan. Face them toward them, you can't actually get into them.

The upper deck of the A380 has a similar (but not as bad) problem as the upper deck of the 747. Wasted floor area (though good for stowing carry-on luggage, lifevests, IFE boxes, etc., etc. One would also assume that some airlines/Airbus would choose to run ducting/conduit and such in that space, so as not to waste it, bumping the wall out at the lower part more straight.

Other things that take floor space: larger entryways than the 744, two staircase landings on each floor, etc. The 747Adv also is planned to have a larger main entry and larger stair eating up floor space.

This NZ map shows how much extra space the j seats require when placed against a sloped wall versus a flat wall.
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:20 pm

Korean is showing of a mock-up of their A380 cabins.

This seat seems to offer a generous display.

http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news05/1910-A380.shtml
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:50 am

I've noticied the A380 will have the 777 style overhead bins.  Wink

But seems (from the first cabin renders) that the 350 won't have them.  Confused
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:31 am

QF reduced the planned seats on it's 380's from 501 to 474. That will be a confortable ride! Big grin

....................F.....J.....Y+....Y...Total

AF............... 9.....80...0....451...540
EK (1)...........?.....?.....0.....?.....489
EK (2)...........?.....?.....0.....?.....517
EK (3)...........0.....?.....0.....?.....644
QF...............?.....?.....?.....?.....474
SQ...............?.....?.....?.....?.....480
Kingfisher......?.....?.....?.....?.....496
 
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:37 am

BTW, from the looks of AFs numbers, They might be doing 9F and 80J on the upper deck, and the ENTIRE lower deck at 451Y!!!

It fits. 3 rows of 1-1-1 angle suites for F, then 20 rows of 1-2-1 VS style J beds or similar (or 13+ rows of 2-2-2 straight out sloped beds).

Then 45 rows of Y on the lower deck. Talk about cattle car! MOOO!
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RE: Known A380 Seat Layouts

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:44 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 17):
According to A360 post most of the layout is around 500 seats... for an aircraft designed to carry up to 800 seats and having 50%? more interior space than the 747 (is 50% correct i'm not sure ?).



Quoting RedChili (Reply 27):
The A380 has 50 percent more floor space, meaning that it would have been able to accommodate 624 seats at the same comfort levels as the typical B744.

Close. The cabin floor area of the WhaleJet is 47% greater than that of the JumboJet. (552 sq meters vs. 375)

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