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planemannyc
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Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:42 am

Biman has been running up a fuel tab with the Bangladesh Petroleum Corp (BPC) for approx. $80 million. BPC almost cut off supplies to Biman over the last few days (2 domestic flights were cancelled).

It seems they have a stay of execution till the first week of Nov. for the Islamic festival of Eid. Who knows what will happen after that.

Seems like they are planning on chopping some service including FRA and ORY. Both are operated on a single weekly frequency. Cuts to BKK, KUL, HKG and SIN in order as well. JFK survives, but for how long not certain. Strangely, CGP-RGN is being cut, but I was not aware that they had re-started this service. Was a waste when they did have the service in early 1990's.

They seem to want more flights to LHR and the Middle East.

Dooms day may be looming. Maybe it should have happened a few years ago.

http://newagebd.com/front.html#4

http://thedailystar.net/2005/10/24/d5102401033.htm

http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_22698.shtml

http://financialexpress-bd.com/index...5§ion_id=1&newsid=4832&spcl=no

Best regards,

Wasim / Planemannyc

[Edited 2005-10-23 21:53:52]

[Edited 2005-10-23 21:55:14]
 
ba319-131
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:10 am

More problems for Bimen, and they still have not managed to replace the D10 that ran off the runway the other month, let alone order those A330/772 aircraft they want but cannot find funds for.

One has to question if the goverment will let Bimen to suspend op's.
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planemannyc
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 1):
One has to question if the goverment will let Bimen to suspend op's.

Good question, and unfortunately, so far it has been all in Biman's favor.

Consider the following:

1) Biman has been losing money for over a decade now
2) Government underwrites all a/c purchases by Biman
3) GOB allows only Biman to provide ground handling for foreign carriers in BD
4) GOB won't allow any airline other than Biman to fly between Chittagong and Sylthet and the Middle East (and in Sylhet's case, London), although there is a huge unmet demand (Phuket Air exploited a loophole in this policy and operated BKK-CGP-DXB, but the airline seems to have gone bust, so only BG operates CGP-DXB)
5) GOB systematically resists opening up additional flights to ME destinations but GOB wants Biman to maintain an artificial 40% of traffic in / out of BD; EK and QR has been asking for additional flights for a long time
6) GOB is resistant to opening skies with India / South Asia and allowing privately owned Bangladeshi carriers into the market. In Nepal, Cosmic Air is doing quite well and is encouraged by the GON, but Bangladesh is a different story.
7) GOB allows BG to undercut GMG on domestic routes (low fares on flights that are repositioning flights on A310s and DC10) thus trying to stifle the domestic competition.

If BG went away, the government won't have an air-limo service on demand. Besides, one has to wonder if some folks in the government are not making out with large sums due to all the corruption at BG.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc
 
LXsaab2000
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:36 am

So will they continue to fly only to London , Brussels and Rome in Europe?
 
SWISSER
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:45 am

Well I was a week off work,

but tommorow at BRU I can or will find out!
Nice thing to come out of holiday though!

the delays of BG lately where incredible...
What time is top of descent?
 
Magyarorszag
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 4):
the delays of BG lately where incredible...

It certainly has to do with their lack of fleet. Remember that one of their DC-10-30s had a landing accident at CGP this summer, it appears as having been destroyed according to Airfleets. And when you consider since how long there have been talks about a fleet renewal... No reasons to be surprised.

Cheers,

M.
 
behramjee
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:19 am

BGs DC 10s should be banned in EU just like the other dinosaur era aircraft operated by African, European and Latin American airlines as then they can get their act together and force the Govt of Bangladesh to buy new aircraft.

As it is the Govt of DXB is banning airlines flying B 732s into DXB from January 2006, they too should add BGs DC 10s on that list as that would definitely a positive impact on the airline in getting it to change its tidious ways.
 
planemannyc
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:45 pm

Quoting Lxsaab2000 (Reply 3):
So will they continue to fly only to London , Brussels and Rome in Europe?

That would seem to be the case.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 4):
the delays of BG lately where incredible...

Last week, one of the 2 flights to JFK was delayed by 12 hours. 10-20 hour delays have become quite common.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc
 
ba319-131
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:54 pm

I don't think BG's DC-10's are unsafe, they are subject to regular ramp inspections by CAA inspectors and one would also assume by the US at JFK and other airports they fly too.

If they were unsafe, we would know by now, trust me.
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Shilla
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:11 am

Those are bad news, indeed. I took several flights on BG in the past and although the DC10´s were old, I never felt unsafe. The A310´s are still in a good shape, so BG could stick on them for some more years, but they have to acquire a new long haul fleet, that´s obvious.

However, if all depends on government decisions, the future will be a dark one for Biman...
 
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:14 am

Wait let me put my shocked face on...  Silly
I don't take responsibility at all
 
mrniji
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
BGs DC 10s should be banned in EU just like the other dinosaur era aircraft operated by African, European and Latin American airlines as then they can get their act together and force the Govt of Bangladesh to buy new aircraft.

Then NW DC10s should not be allowed to enter  Wink - I think this step is too harsh.. If an aircraft is well-maintained and airworthy, no need to ban it  Smile
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SWISSER
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:05 am

Well,

except for another delay of around 24 hours, I was unable to find more information about the situation...

BG remains a good customer of us, and it will effect us when they should drop the DAC-BRU-JFK JFK-BRU-DAC flights.

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 11):
If an aircraft is well-maintained and airworthy, no need to ban it

Well I hear the SN technics team confirming several indications that there DC-10's are maintained to the minimum...
What time is top of descent?
 
planemannyc
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:21 am

Seems like they are keeping JFK run although it's still is losing money (strange how they find ways to lose money)

http://thedailystar.net/2005/10/25/d5102501075.htm

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc
 
SWISSER
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 13):
Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

thanks Wasim!

it's interesting to know!
What time is top of descent?
 
charliecossie
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:22 am

IMO, Biman are dropping Frankfurt because their maintenance provider (in Frankfurt) has decided to drop the DC10 from it's books. There is no-one left in Frankfurt that can certify maintenance on DC10s (to JAA/CAA standards).
As someone personally involved in the maintenance of Biman aircraft for the last eleven years, I would be happy to fly on them. They are well maintained aircraft. Biman don't have much money and that shows in the cabin but the aircraft are certainly airworthy.
They also make the best cup of tea in the air (and on the ground!), bar none.
They are probably the world's most *un*punctual airline.  Smile

I really will miss you, Biman Bangladesh.
 
planemannyc
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:42 am

Charliecossie,

Are there not any cargo carriers that fly to FRA? FedEx? Or is certification different for passenger and cargo aircraft.

I always thought that once weekly frequency is kind of silly for any airline. They should have consolidated FRA and ORY to one station, and provided at least two weekly frequency to the surviving station (in my opinion, FRA would have been better because a) more central location of FRA b) more flights throughtout Europe, and c) I had read somewhere that FRA is less loss making than ORY.

Karel (SWISSER),

Did you hear anything on the BRU station? I presume that is remaining intact as a stopover station for JFK flgihts.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc
 
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:16 am

Fascinating that they have been around for all these years on a regular basis. They seem to play the role of the "comeback kid". Just saw their DC10 at Terminal 2 when I drove past FRA today. Was scheduled at 15:20. Was still at the gate at 17:00.

Good Luck to them!
 
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting Charliecossie (Reply 15):
They are well maintained aircraft. Biman don't have much money and that shows in the cabin but the aircraft are certainly airworthy.
They also make the best cup of tea in the air (and on the ground!), bar none.

Well thats good to hear from someone who actually worked on them!

The food is traditional Bangladeshi food, and superb in quality!
you get in Y class exellent fish with Basmati rice, that looks like "what the heck is that?", but it has great taste!
What time is top of descent?
 
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:55 am

I hate the criticism and assumptions made about the saftey of a DC10. If it flies into the UK with CAA approval then it is as safe as any A330 or 777.

It seems the fashion to buy new aircraft these days and retire older designs prematurley. The DC10 is still a capable aircraft, ask NW.

Biman do not need the added expense of aquiring a new fleet at the moment.
 
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:45 pm

Planemannyc:
There are some cargo DC10s flying around Frankfurt but all have an "N" registration and only a few (if any) station-based staff. Biman have not been able to find a new maintenance provider, only an airline that has offered labour, if required (no certification). Something we could have done anyway.
Orion737:
The problem with the DC10 (for an airline that diesn't operate it) is the cost of keeping it on the MOE and all the support required. Three cheers for the JAA. Hip hip - booooo! My employer is dropping the 10, A300, A310 and 737NG.
 
bennett123
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RE: Biman In Liquidity Crisis: FRA & ORY To Be Dropped

Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:41 am

Was the DC10 that ran off the runway scrapped.

If so, is there any prospect of a replacement.

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