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Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed May 17, 2000 3:39 pm

This is a review of the orders for Airbus and Boeing in 2000 so far. The figures come from their official sites about the orders in 2000, not from the press releases. They both got the following orders:

Airbus:

Iberia 1 A340
GB Airways 2 A320
Silk Air 1 A320
Air Bosna 2 A319
United 4 A319 5 A320
Air France 1 A320 8 A330
TACA 5 A320
Dragonair 1 A330 5 A320
Sabena 4 A340
Lan Chile 3 A320
Egyptair 2 A318
Frontier 5 A318 6 A319
Mauawud 1 A319
Nouvelair 1 A320
Aer Lingus 1 A330
ILFC 40 A320 3 A340 8 A330
Jetbleu 7 A320
BA 1 A319
SAS 12 A321 6 A330 4 A 340
GECAS 10 A320 16 A330
Cathey 4 A330

not on the orders site but out of the press releases
Air Mauritius 2 A319
Midwest 2 A320
LTU 18 A320 7 A330

Total:
A318 : 7
A319: 16
A320: 100
A321: 21
A330: 46
A340: 12
Total: 202


Boeing:

Alitalia 5 B747
AA 1 B737 20 B757
China Xinjiung 3 B757
Delta 1 B737
Easyjet 17 B737
Hawaiin 13 B717
JAl 8 B777
Kenya 2 B737 3 B767*
Unidentified 72 B737 4 B747 2 B777
for the BBJ 4

Total:
717: 13
737: 94 also BBJ
747: 9
757: 23
767: 3 *from Kenya, not in the orders list from Boieng, out of Press relaese
777: 10
Total: 152

Singe aisle : Airbus 144 Boeing 130
wide body : Airbus 58 Boeing 22

Good luck to both companies for the rest of the year.
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed May 17, 2000 6:06 pm

Great to see that both comanies are doing well.

Not to spoil the fun, but I think an Airbus vs Boeing war will begin any second now...
 
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed May 17, 2000 7:35 pm

Once again, this is only a review, I have not even written any comments on the figures, just to avoid an Airbus-Boeing war. Let us hope that all of us here are grown-up enough to realise that these are just figures, the reality, and that these figures do not say anything about quality or so. Just figures, the first one who reacts on these in an Airbus-Boeing-war way is acting childish. I just gave the numbers of the orders, nothing subjective about it.
And indeed, Danny, good said, nice that both companies are doing so well. Nice also the competition between the two which gives us even more beautifull aircraft to see and fly with!
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed May 17, 2000 10:29 pm

So to all of you who read this, I leave again for at least a week and a half, no news anymore from me, I hope I will be able to read everything when I'm back. Best regards to all of you,
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed May 17, 2000 11:43 pm

Not to start a war, but the boeing figures are low (not sure about the airbus figures), if you look on their web site they list 150 firm orders, and that is a few weeks out of date - AFAIK the current total is ~200...

I agree, it's great to have competion and have two healthy competitors

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Thu May 18, 2000 4:15 am

Sndp,

Great job! I completely agree; as long as we stay with numbers and what is real, there is no need for a petty agrument. Only positive discussions can result from factual statistics. Now if you'll permit me, I'd like to point out a few corrections to your list:

Airbus:

Air France 1 A320, 1 A321, 8 A330

LTU 6 A320, the other planes will be leased, probably from ILFC.

Also, I'm not sure how you came up with your totals, as some of the orders you list don't equal your totals. Here is what I got from the AI website, plus the May orders:

A318: 7
A319: 15
A320: 89
A321: 13
A330: 44
A340: 12

Total: 180

Boeing:

Delta 3 737

Unidentified 72 737, 4 757, 2 777

717: 13
737: 99
747: 5
757: 27
767: 0
777: 10

Total: 154

Single aisle: AI 124, BC 139
Wide body: AI 56, BC 15

As you can see, both manufacturers are having better than expected years. The A332 in particular is selling very well, as all but 6 (SAS) of the A330 orders are for that particular model.

I have an idea. Let's keep this up-to-date as more contracts are signed. Similar to http://surf.to/orders but accesible to the entire group, who often don't go to this great site.

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Where Are You Getting This Info?!

Thu May 18, 2000 5:01 am

Where do you get these numbers? Where are they on their respective webpages???

Thanks for the lists! I wonder why the A330 is doing so well...

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Thu May 18, 2000 7:11 am

Airbus orders page:

http://www.airbus.com/market_orders.html

Boeing orders page:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.html

Like I said, I will try to keep this thread running as each new order is signed. Perhaps Sndp can keep me on my toes, as well, if one slips by me.  
Boeing's upcoming contracts should include ATA's order for 20 738 and 10 753, as well as firm commitments for the 777LR.
I don't know about Airbus's future orders, but I would expect some more A332, as well as a CX A340NG order. I wouldn't expect a firm contract for the A3XX until the beginning of next year.

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RE: Update #1

Fri May 19, 2000 9:04 am

Okay, first update of this list:

Aerolineas Baleares has signed a firm contract for the 3 717 (+ 17 options) that they announced a few weeks ago.

Now;

Airbus = same

Boeing

717: 16
rest: N/C

Total: 157

Single aisle: AI 124, BC 142
Wide body: N/C

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ATA 737/757 Order

Fri May 19, 2000 9:09 am

Where are the 30 737-800 and 10 757-300 plus options for 30 and 10 respectively.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri May 19, 2000 9:18 am

UAL747-600,

ATA has yet to sign a contract for their aircraft. When they do, I will include it on this list. The order should look like this:

ATA 20 738 (+ 40 op.), 10 753 (+ 10 op.)

12 738 leased from ILFC
5 738 leased from GECAS

As far as QF, I have reason to believe they will choose the 777LR, but I have no idea when to expect an announcement (probably FIA 2000).

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri May 19, 2000 9:42 am

Thats because its not confirmed by Boeing yet...its still an intention...basically just formalities..

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Sun May 21, 2000 10:53 pm

I would like to thank all of you who have corrected the numbers I initially placed here. Thanks to Hamlet69 for his corrections and for his intention to keep this up to date every time an order comes in. I would very mich like to help you with this and I hope all the others will stay as alert as now to make corrections if I'm wrong. I had calculated the information just for me, because I needed it for a newspaper report, and thought to give them hear too. Now I'm happy that you have corrected the numbers, so the readers get the right numbers too.
I do not think we will have a lot of orders announced in the next few weeks as a lot of customers like it to announce them at FI 2000.
What may we expect: among others CX order, Crossair order, Qantas order, AF order for the 777-300LR, ...
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Mon May 22, 2000 1:40 am

It seems that a lot of airlines are waiting for the launch of the B747X and A3XX. Thats why there are currently very low order numbers of the great old Jumbo Jet.
I expect a flood of orders in this segment once both companies have made their decision. It will be like in 1985 when Boeing announced the 747-400.

Especially the airlines with large fleets of 10 year old 744s who often sell their planes already when only 10-15 years old (thats Qantas, Cathay, Singapore). On top of that airlines like BA, JAL, United, Northwest currently hold back what to use in the top segment (400+ pax) in 5 years from now or later.
In particular JAL´s, ANA´s and Northwest´s still impressive 747-Classic fleets need to be renewed.
Maybe half of it can be recruited through 2nd class widebodys like 777s and A340NGs, but the other half for the real high density routes?

By the way, plans or rumors about an even more stretched 777 than the already disharmonic looking -300 will hopefully never see the light of day.
 
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed May 24, 2000 4:33 am

Hey guys,

I created an Excel spreadsheet with every order announced this year, and so now I can update this list much easier as orders are confirmed. Also, I have a couple of changes to make (unfortunately, not new orders, just refinements).

First, I was mistaken on my first post when I said all but SAS's 6 A330s were -200s. In addition to the 6 A333s for SAS, two more carriers have ordered the -300, Cathay (4) and Dragonair (1).

Next, I checked Marc's wonderful orders site, and he has the breakdown for the 40 A32X orders from ILFC.

Also, 2 of the unidentified 757 orders have now been confirmed as 753s for JMC Airlines.

Finally, using my new Excel page, which automatically sums the orders, I found I added an extra Airbus plane, as the total is 179, not 180. This compares to Marc's current total. So, here's how we now look:

A318: 7
A319: 19
A320: 76
A321: 21
A330: 44
A340: 12

Total: 179


717: 16
736: 0
737: 85
738: 14
739: 0
747: 5
757: 27
767: 0
777: 10

Total: 157

With the excitment expected at FIA 2000, this looks to be a better than expected year for both manufacturers!  

Note: I am leaving next Monday, and will be gone for 2 weeks, probably without access to the internet. I will update as soon as I get back, as monthly (May) totals will be released by that time.

Regards,

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri May 26, 2000 12:00 am

Update: May 23

Delta has ordered 1 738

Unidentified has increased by 3 737 (sorry, no breakdown on series)

Boeing total now: 161

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ATA 737/757 Order

Fri May 26, 2000 2:08 am

How come you haven't listed this????
 
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri May 26, 2000 2:50 am

Yo, dude! Why don't you read the reply to this question you got the first time in the very thread???

Its NOT signed yet!

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri May 26, 2000 8:30 am

Sorry, this wasn't announced before I went to work this morning:

LAPA Argentina has ordered 6 737-700. The order is not new, instead, it comes from March 31, 2000, originally announced as 'Unidentified.' Sub/Totals don't change.

747-600,
I'm still waiting on a signed order from ATA for their 20 738 & 10 753, as well as WestJet's order for 30 736/7s.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Thu Jun 08, 2000 4:19 am

Hi Guys and Gals,

Well, I had a nice vacation, but now its back to work. May totals have been released, so here is a new update:

Airbus:
First, I guess we all jumped the gun a little bit. Despite my intention to only include signed contracts, we've been including Midwest's 2 A320s all along. It turns out that that is only a LOI, not a signed order. Also, I missed an additional TACA A320 ordered in April. They have ordered 5 A320s in 2000, not 4. I've already included Air Mauritius 2 A319, as well as LTU 6 A320 and ILFC 4 A319, 28 A320, 8 A321, 7 A332, 3 A346 for May. Finally, a new order from United Airlines: 5 A319, 5 A320 is now included.

Overall, Airbus totals look like this:

A318: 7
A319: 24
A320: 80
A321: 21
A330: 44
A340: 12

Total: 188

The last week of May saw these orders:

South African Airways: 5 738
Unidentified: 22 738, 1 744F, 1 772, 3 772ER

Totals are now:

717: 16
736: --
737: 85
738: 41
739: --
747: 6
757: 27
767: --
777: 14

Total: 189

In addition, many formerly 'Unidentified' orders have now been named (from November 30 through present) They are:

Air Algerie 2 736
ATA 2 752 (this is not from the newest announcement, but option conversions)
Aramco Services 5 737
Braathens 2 737
Maersk Air 3 737
Qantas 1 763ER
Tunisair 1 736

Well, quite an interesting time to be following the airline biz.  

Hopefully more soon!

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Thu Jun 08, 2000 10:09 am

Update 5/07:

The U.S. Navy has ordered 1 additional 737-700C.

Boeing 2000 total: 190

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Thu Jun 08, 2000 9:52 pm

Thanx Hamlet 69 for updating this so frequently and correctly. I have no time at this moment to follow the orders and so because of exams, it is nice to have such a review as you make. Thanx a lot
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 09, 2000 3:21 am

Well, I made a mistake. Apparently the Midwest order HAS been signed. When I used the search function on Airbus' website, it didn't list it. But then, this morning, I searched again for all orders (not just A320) and it did list it. I guess the bugs still need to be worked out on the website. So:

Midwest Airlines: 2 A320

Airbus total: 190

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 09, 2000 3:59 am

Just a short answer to 747-600:
I think, the A330-300 is doing better, since Airbus increased MTOW and therefore its range.

Just my opinion. Anyone care to discuss it?

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 09, 2000 11:56 am

Gerardo,

IMO, your quite right. The original A333, while effecient, was a little lacking in the range department. With the introduction of the HGW A333, and the more impressive A332, this problem was solved. Indeed, the major problem Boeing is running into with their 764ER is the lack of range compared to the A332, hence the later's great market success. Whether the 764ERX will make up the difference is anyone's guess. It's interesting to note that 44 A330's have been sold this year, compared to only 12 A340's.

Additional note: Cathay Pacific has now been confirmed to be the buyer of the 'Unidentified' 744F and 772 announced May 31. This contract confirms their announcement earlier this spring.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 16, 2000 7:40 am

Update 6/15:

An Unidentified buyer has ordered 4 757s.

Boeing 2000 total: 194

Note: Another 'Unidentified' 737 has been ordered, but the U.S. Navy contract has not been posted. So either the newest order IS the Navy order, or a different buyer. My assumption is the former. Either way the total does not change.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 16, 2000 8:43 am


Why are there so many UFO-s (unidentified order)
in the Boeing order book? And why there is much
less or none in AI one?

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 16, 2000 9:26 am

I really couldn't tell you. Airbus does have a few UFO's over the years, but none this year. Boeing used to have 0 UFO's, until they adopted the practice Airbus had been using and started announcing orders even though the customers did not want to be named. Most of the UFO's announced in Dec. last year have now been named, and actually, most of the ones this year have been too, they just keep announcing more UFOs as earlier ones get named.

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UFOs

Fri Jun 16, 2000 10:00 am


I do not believe that it is the costumer who wants to unidentified.
Why on the Earth would the costumers be more secretive when
making business with Boeing than when they do with AI?
I do think that some dirty stuff going on with the UFOs (tempering
with the order book, confusing competion, etc, or whatever) and
Boeing really got into this business. Last year they had close to
20% of their total as UFO. As far as I know AI never hed that high
percentage.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 16, 2000 10:21 am

Actually, it is the airline that wants to be secretive.

For example, if the competitor knows what kind of plane, and how many you are buying, they can sit and make calculations as to what your future plans may be.

They could say that "Hey, Airline A is buying a ultra long range plane, they must be opening routes to that ultra long range destination, lets go get some of our own planes with earlier deliveries and beat them to the punch"

I can't see what the manufacturers would gain by hiding orders. The only time I see this happening is if say Boeing or Airbus wants to make large announcements at air shows such as Farnborough or Paris, and asks the airline if they can delay the announcement until such time for marketing purposes.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:39 pm

Sammy,

Very good explanation. Sometimes, it's even more simpler. Just like manufacturers at airshows, some airlines like to announce big news at certain events. Shareholder's meetings, the opening of a new terminal, updates in food changes, any public event can be an opportunity to gain more publicity. But if an airline announces an order as soon as it is signed, there goes their spotlight.

While it is true that Boeing has more UFOs than Airbus, none are more than a year old, while some 'Undisclosed' AI orders are over 5 years old.

The only noticible difference I see in the announcement of orders is who actually announces them. It is Boeing's policy to let the customer announce the order (see para. 1), or to make a joint announcement. I've read many Airbus press releases that state "The airline has informed Airbus of its intention to order. . ." while Airbus is actually making the announcement. I don't see either policy as being better. Just like the companies, they're simply different.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 16, 2000 10:06 pm

Airbus is known to have loose lips...remember the Saudia deal?  

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Thu Jun 22, 2000 1:51 am

Magyar,

I did a little searching this week so I could give you some numbers concerning those pesky UFOs. Here's what I came up with;

Boeing currently lists 102 Unidentified orders. By model, they are:
737: 33
738: 48
744: 1
744F: 1
757: 4
763ER: 7
772ER: 4
773: 4
The oldest UFO on Boeing's order book dates back to the big announcement on Dec. 15, 1999.

Airbus currently has 33 Undisclosed orders on their books. They are:
A319: 12
A320: 10
A310: 2
A330: 4
A340: 5
The oldest A320 UFO order is dated 11/7/95, while the oldest A340 order goes all the way back to 4/20/89, before any aircraft had even been built.

I hope this clears up the picture a little better.

Hamlet69

Note: This does not include VIP orders, which can sometimes be listed as "Unidentified." Rarely do such orders ever be named, and therefore are not counted in this list.
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 30, 2000 5:50 am

Well, things are really quiet for weeks, and what happens - - BAM!! Alot of big announcements.

Update 6/29:

Airbus

Korean Air Lines has ordered 3 A330-300s. This brings their total to 16 A333s, plus 3 A332.

Airbus 2000 total: 193

Boeing

The 'Unidentified' 757 order of 6/15 has now been i.d.ed as GE Capital. These aircraft are destined for National Airlines.
EVA Airways has signed a contract for 3 777-200LRs and 4 777-300LRs.
Finally, Southwest Airlines has ordered 94 737-700s. This is the largest order ever placed for the 737NG program, and brings Southwest's total for this aircraft to 236.

Boeing 2000 total: 295

Thanks

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 30, 2000 7:01 am

Hamlet 69

Watch this space for the MAS order decision -expected- soon with the Farnborough Airshow. I also expect the A330-100 launch at the show as well. It shall be quite an interesting few weeks ahead. (Grin)

What I find interesting is the 777LR orders like EVA & JAL, along with the SWA 737NG order did not wait for the Farnborough show to be announced (and a considerable amount of pressure to hold off on announcing was played until Farnborough) where a *Huge* amount of PR muscle could be earned for Boeing.

I wonder why?

A "Point-Counterpoint" to the A3XX publicity?...or some prospective Boeing customers are hedging against buying?

The show will tell.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 30, 2000 7:09 am

How on earth do you get Boeing customers hedging to purchase by WN's announcement? How about Boeing has so many orders to announce at Farnborough that they have to get some out of the way now? (GRIN)
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 30, 2000 2:07 pm

MAC,

Actually, I was wondering the complete opposite. I was very suprised by all the "potential customer" announcements made by Airbus. Even the announcement of the A3XX Commercial Launch suprised me, coming when it did. I didn't expect anything until Farnborough. Boeing still has not revealed the launch customers for the 777LR (only 1 of the 6 I know of has been named). Add to that the possibility of a 777-100X or 767-400ERX (I doubt both) launch, as well as the gathering publicity on the 767NG program, and Airbus seems to have missed its opportunity to counter Boeing's large PR at FIA 2000. The only highlights at Farnborough for Airbus, besides what you mention, is **this is a big maybe** the first signed contract for the A3XX. But I doubt we will see that until the end of the year. Boeing is still pushing very hard for its own 747X, and this will at least delay firm A3XX orders, if SQ is any indication.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jun 30, 2000 10:15 pm

To all: It is interesting to read how the various parties have interpreted the psychology and timing of press releases about orders and potential orders.

I am not surprised at the continuing stream of press releases from A/B regarding airlines which are "interested" in or "potential customers" for A3XX. It is, of course, in their best interest to project the image of a program gathering momentum in which carriers that do not sign on quickly face the potential hazard of being "left out" of the initial delivery slots. Certainly one valid method of trying to convince fence-sitters to decide or, at least, better gauge the level of their interest.  

I am rather more surprised at Boeing's releases regarding the 777 and 737 orders. I certainly agree that such items would be valuable PR exercises @ FIA
(especially considering the size of the Southwest commitment), so the timing has me puzzled. I do not think that the intent is to counter A3XX publicity since neither program has the novelty interest that a new jumbo-jet program like A3XX can generate because of its' sheer size, the philosophy behind it as well as the fact that it is intended to compete directly with the only current jumbo-jet, the 747. I think if Boeing were interested in countering A3XX PR, a stream of press releases about airlines "interested" in or "potential customers" for the 747NG would be in the offing. I think the current orders press releases are intended to begin slowly generating heightened interest in the upcoming airshow where Boeing may make announcements which it considers more significant.

Looking forward to your thoughts...

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jul 07, 2000 3:39 am

Boeing Orders as of 30 JUN 2000

Gross Total 328 Changes -6 Net Total 322

Includes orders from:

ATA = 20 - 737, 12 - 757
EVA = 7 - 777
ILFC = 50 - 737
Southwest = 94 - 737

 
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jul 07, 2000 4:07 am

Thanx for the information CstarU.
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737 Orders Shown In SW Alone!

Fri Jul 07, 2000 5:24 am

It only shows 94 737 orders, that the Southwest alone!!!!
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Tue Jul 11, 2000 2:39 pm

Update: 7/10

Sorry about the delay in updating, but I had to make an emergency trip (road, not air). Thanks to CstarU for providing some info.

Airbus:

In addition to the Korean Air order already mentioned above, June orders include:

2 A320 & 2 A332 for British Midland Airways
2 additional A319 for ILFC
TWA has confirmed its intial order for the A32X series, these being 20 A319
Finally, 20 Undisclosed orders have been announced. They are 7 A319, 6 A320, 2 A321, 5 A340.

Airbus 2000 total: 233

Boeing:

In addition to the orders already mentioned previously, ATA has indeed finally signed the contract covering 20 738 and 10 753 (2 752 have already been announced. Also, 3 Unidentified 737 have been added to this year's totals. Sorry, no breakdown on model, yet.

Boeing 2000 total: 328

Since we are getting quite a few orders (and not even to Farnborough, yet!), I realize that this may be getting hard to follow. If need be, I can recap this year's orders. Just let me know if anyone is interested, and I will post a complete 2000 orders list.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Tue Jul 11, 2000 8:22 pm

I am glad that the 717 is doing very well, hopefully there will be more orders from airlines who have aging DC-9s that want a new advanced model like the 717.
 
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Tue Jul 11, 2000 10:50 pm

Heya, Hamlet69

I would really enjoy to read a complete 2000 orders list.

I know, this will be hard work for you, but since you offered it ...   

Thanks in advance
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed Jul 12, 2000 12:13 am

An orders list by model and airline, including historical data by year, should be a feature of Airliners.net. It would be helpful to have a single point source of data instaed of slogging to the manufacturer websites and doing it by hand.

How about it Admins? We could honor Hamlet by calling it Hamlet's Order Corner or the 69 Room.
 
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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Wed Jul 12, 2000 3:53 am

First off, the 3 Unidentified 737NGs for June can now be confirmed as -800s.

Second, I would like to thank Wingman for the honor, but it really isn't needed. Boeing's website is pretty much the best possible setup you could ask for. You can search any order or delivery since the first 707 to the latest 777. What we need to do is get Airbus to put up a similar site. Even though they recently redid their website, the orders section still pales in use and ease of understanding compared to their rival's site. In addition, it only seems to be up half the time I'm there.

Okay, then. Here it is: The complete orders list for the first half of 2000:

Airbus:

Aer Lingus: 1 A332
Air Bosna: 2 A319
Air France: 1 A320, 1 A321, 8 A332
Air Mauritius: 2 A319
British Airways: 1 A320
British Midland: 2 A320, 2 A332
Cathay Pacific: 4 A333
Dragonair: 5 A320, 1 A333
EgyptAir: 2 A318
Frontier Airlines: 5 A318, 6 A319
GB Airways: 2 A320
GE Capital: 10 A320, 16 A332
Iberia: 1 A343
ILFC: 6 A319, 28 A320, 8 A321, 8 A332, 3 A346
JetBlue Airways: 7 A320
Korean Airlines: 3 A333
Lan Chile: 3 A320
LTU: 6 A320
Mauawad National: 1 A319(CJ)
Midwest Airlines: 2 A320
Nouvelair: 1 A320
SABENA: 4 A343
SAS: 12 A321, 6 A333, 4 A343
Silk Air: 1 A320
TACA Int'l: 5 A320
TWA: 20 A319
United Airlines: 9 A319, 10 A320
Undisclosed: 7 A319, 6 A320, 2 A321, 5 A340

Airbus 2000 total: 239

(sorry about the mistake in previous post, I had forgotten to include the ILFC and British Midland orders into my total number   )

Boeing:

Aerolineas Baleares: 3 712
Alitalia: 5 744
American Airlines: 1 738, 20 752
American Trans Air: 20 738, 2 752, 10 753
BBJ: 4 737ER
Cathay Pacific: 1 744F, 1 772
China Xinjiang: 3 752
Delta Airlines: 4 738
easyJet: 17 737
EVA Airways: 3 772LR, 4 773LR
GE Capital: 4 752
Hawaiian Airlines: 13 712
ILFC: 50 737
Japan Airlines: 8 773LR
JMC Airlines: 2 753
Kenya Airlines: 2 737
LAPA: 6 737
Maersk Air: 2 737
South African: 5 738
Southwest Airlines: 94 737
U.S. Navy: 1 737(C)
Unidentified: 4 737, 34 738, 3 772ER, 2 773

Boeing 2000 total: 328

WHEW!! All this activity, and we're still 2 weeks away from the biggest airshow of the year. I can't wait to see what Farnborough has in store for us!

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jul 21, 2000 12:16 am

Update 7/20:

Well, as a kind of precursor to Farnborough, we have a couple of announcements:

An Unidentified customer has signed for 8 777s.

Boeing 2000 total: 336

In addition, it was reported by an airline official today that Turkmenistan Airlines has signed for 3 717-200s. However, I am not going to include it until it is listed on Boeing's official order book.

Well, the next update should come during Farnborough.   Now, a word of caution: If the years past are any indication, some of the orders 'announced' at the airshow will not actually have signed contracts backing them up. Therefore, let's not flood this thread with press releases, and instead concentrate on the real orders.

Thank you

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jul 21, 2000 10:43 am

My apologies for not including this in the earlier update, I guess it just slipped right past me:

GATX/Flightlease has been named the buyer of 18 aircraft. These 737-800 were announced earlier in the year, and listed to date as 'Unidentified.'

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jul 28, 2000 12:25 am

Well, here we are. Farnborough's here and after all the hype, what do we have. . .not much. A real update will be done the first week in August, when the manufacturers completely update their order books. For now, I can tell you not to expect too much. Actual firm orders announced during the show were few and far between.

Airbus

Until they update, I can't say with any certainty what was firm and what wasn't. I can say America West was a buyer of 4 A319s that were ordered at the end of June.

Boeing

All Nippon Airways has purchased 6 777-300LRs that were accounted for as 'Unidentified'.
1 737-700ER has been added to the Boeing Business Jets total.
An Unidentified customer has ordered 3 717-200s. This is Turkmenistan Airlines, as announced today by Boeing.
The 767 has recieved its first order of the year. An Unidentified customer has purchased 2, more info when available.

I won't publish totals so far, until I can update Airbus with more accuracy than we can get from the press releases.

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RE: Orders Boeing/Airbus 2000 Updated

Fri Jul 28, 2000 12:33 am

According to the orders forum there are only 17 Airbus new firm orders so far at Farnborough- for the A32X family. All Boeing orders were previously announced.

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