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Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:38 pm

After a decade in the fleet it looks like MYT's remaining 757s have now been retired. Both are currently sitting on the SR Technics ramp at MAN devoid of titles. These four early build 752s now look like they were a bargain buy, these "desert rats" having given good service over the years.

MYT retired two of the four last year - one was scrapped, the other one is being converted into an engine test bed for Honeywell. So what will become of PIDS and RJGR - anyone know?
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:42 pm

A sad event. As you say, these 757s gave good service to MYT over the years and were highly utilised. A couple of years ago some of the aircraft in the MYT fleet, the 757s, 767s and DC10s started to suffer some reliability/technical problems and this resulted in many delays to MYTs holiday flights.

As sad as I am to see those 757s go, I think concentrating on the 320/321 will improve MYTs reputation and reliability.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:05 pm

Could these possibly be the two 757s that are going to Ariana Afghan?
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:47 pm

I think they actually came from a company they brought ( Aspro) holidays but I cannot remember the airlines name??
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:59 pm

Its true Inter European did have a 757 when AIH took them over but it was leased and I dont think it served long with AIH. The MYT 757s were old (Ex Eastern?) birds purchased some years ago and they have been served MYT well, although in latter years have suffered long delays with technical problems.

Still AIH/MYT had their moneys worth out of these early build 757s. The 757 was ideal for AIH/MYTs IT routes in the 90s but now with the competition from no-frills LCCs, the smaller capacity 320/321 suits them well.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:01 pm

You're thinking of Inter European, and although MYT did inherit two 757s from there, they were not these two. They were IEAB, which became LCRC with MYT and is now FJEA with Flyjet, and IEAC which became CSJS with MYT and is now OYGRL of Air Greenland. The two at MAN came from Eastern (the failed US carrier not the highly successful UK regional!).
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:24 pm

Whats happening to G-WJAN? Its just returned from lease with Skyservice as C-FFAN.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:43 pm

C-FFAN has been re configured to the original 233 seating and has been sent back to the UK. Not exactly sure what is going on with her but it has left the Skyservice fleet for good. Which is strange as we have kept those two Godawful 757's TDV and MYH?!?!?! I don't get it. They are the older of the three, Believe me MUCH OLDER, and FAN was only about 9 years old?!?!?
I am glad to see her go, but wish it was one of the others that had to dissapear.  Sad Better yet Bring back the airbus!! and make a 321 with a range that competes with the 757!!

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:16 pm

Is 757 TDV ex First Choice/Air 2000 G-OOOC?
I'm sure First Choice will give you a few 757's and A320's this winter as they always do? Isn't C-GTBB due back?

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:57 pm

Skyservice don't really have any choice about which 757s they return. C-FFAN/G-WJAN was leased from MyTravel Airways and operated for Sunquest.

Similarly C-FTDV/G-OOOC is leased from First Choice Airways and operated for Signature Vacations. C-FTDV will remain in Canada until 2008 when it's lease ends and FCA will return it to the lessor. Although C-FTDV is operated by Skyservice, it is still being used to carry First Choice passengers and so the group maintains some control over the aircraft.

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 8):
Is 757 TDV ex First Choice/Air 2000 G-OOOC?
I'm sure First Choice will give you a few 757's and A320's this winter as they always do? Isn't C-GTBB due back?

For info, this winter's First Choice Airways/Skyservice leases are as follows;

A320
C-GTDG (G-OOAS) Year-round C-reg
C-GTDH (G-OOAT) Year-round C-reg

B757
C-FLEU (G-CPEU) Standby Aircraft
C-GTBB (G-OOBB) Year-round C-reg
C-FUBG (G-OOBG)
C-FOBH (G-OOBH)
C-FTDV (G-OOOC) Year-round C-reg
C-FLOK (G-OOOK)
C-GOOZ (G-OOOZ)

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:27 am

That's very interesting Crosswind. Do you have any info regarding winter leases to Canada and the USA from MYT and TCX? Or Hajj leases?
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:44 am

Though the ex Eastern 757s may have served Airtours/MyTravel well, I recall that the introduction to service of these aircraft was far from smooth, and there were plenty of (technical) issues when they were first introduced.

The detail from Candid76/Orion737 about the former Inter European 757s is correct, they left Airtours as soon as the lease agreements were concluded - iirc the payments on these aircraft were pretty high - not unsuprising considering they were delivered new to IEA and hadn't spent years languishing the desert like the aircraft acquired from Eastern.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 6):
Whats happening to G-WJAN? Its just returned from lease with Skyservice as C-FFAN.

Not sure, but thats a fairly new aircraft, delivered to Airtours brand new in March 1997. Once rescued me from BHX in 2001 due to an A320 going tech!
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:51 am

Last weekend there was a MyTravel 757 I saw on the flight tracker gonig JFK-SFB, which plane coudl this have been?
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:56 am

Is C-GMJH (painted on yellow sunwing c/s) a Skyservice aircraft or temporarily leased?

I was hoping to see FFAN, I guess I won't, hope to catch GMJH.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:34 am

Oh no, what will I do without seeing G-PIDS at MAN! It has become tradition!  cry 

She was based at LBA for much of summer 2003 (in between bouts of going tech) and it was at that time I got my flight on her (LBA-LPA). Soon after she moved back over to MAN and seems to have appeared everytime I've been there since!

As had been mentioned, the 4 MYT B757's operated until recently were very early build, I think three of them were amongst the first ten B757's ever built with the fourth something like the 17th built. Considering the demanding schedules they have endured on the UK charter scene over the past decade then they have stood up pretty well.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:44 am

I was lucky enough although I did not know it at the time - to fly on G-JALC. This aircraft did a special day trip on behalf of Airtours which sold capacity during the winters to do Day Trips. I flew from Newcastle to Gibraltar and back in a day for I think it was 69.00gbp and the plane was full. the actual ticket price was 159.00 but last minute they sold a load of seats off. It was a great machine and I didnt think it was its age mind you this was back in 1996.

Also flew on G-LCRC Jan 2002 Teesside to Alicante. Seems a shame as back then most charter airlines had to have 757's and A320's as standard now its just 73G's and A320/321. Nostalgic times!

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:56 pm

I have heared that one of them is coming down to eghh for some reason.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:33 pm

TCX's 757 GFCLD has just left MAN for LTN with Apple Vacations and Pace Airlines titles. No movement yet as far as I know with the MYT 757s.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:36 am

Hi,

Passed on from a Bournemouth Yahoo group -

Quoting Candid76 (Thread starter):
G-RJGR is being flown to MZJ sometime soon for storage and G-PIDS is

going to BOH, then onto someone else.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:52 am

Might Jet2 be interested in this ex MYT vintage 757? They have only the one 757 at the moment and another cheap one could be picked up here.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:22 am

G-WJAN is going back into service with MyTravel, as is 767 G-SJMC (currently in Abu Dhabi on a C-check after coming back from Skyservice). The other 767 on lease to Skyservice will be back with MYT for next summer.

I thought we had seen the end of these Boeings with MYT, but apparently not!
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 20):
Might Jet2 be interested in this ex MYT vintage 757? They have only the one 757 at the moment and another cheap one could be picked up here.

Dart Group, owners of Jet2 have two 757s

G LSAA c/n 24122 (ex N241CV)
G LSAB c/n 24136 (ex N136CV)

The removal from the MYT fleet of the 757s has been known for sometime, so Dart Group / Jet2 may have already evaluated whether these aircraft were worth purchasing.

The former MYT aircraft have more flight hours than G LSAA (don't know about G LSAB)
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:10 am

I think MYT were a bit rash in announcing the retirement of the 757/767 fleet and may have decided to hold on to the 767.

The retirement of the DC10s and 757s have left MYT with a much reduced capacity, probably unable to fill the needs of Airtours/Aspro and other group operators. The 767 will be useful for busy winter routes like MAN-TFS.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 23):
I think MYT were a bit rash in announcing the retirement of the 757/767 fleet and may have decided to hold on to the 767.

Nothing has been re-decided as far as I know. It has been known since the Boeing 767s left for Skyservice that they were to return to MyTravel for the winter. The reason why the second one is not returning just yet is because it was damaged, and is currently being repaired.

The 767 Aircraft that returns to MyTravel will be operating Short-Haul flights as far as I know. Anyone confirm?

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 23):
The retirement of the DC10s and 757s have left MYT with a much reduced capacity, probably unable to fill the needs of Airtours/Aspro and other group operators. The 767 will be useful for busy winter routes like MAN-TFS.

Don't you think that they would have reduced the number of holidays to sell as a result of these Aircraft leaving? The DC10s have been gone since the end of 2004 and Airtours Holidays have done well this Summer, so associating the DC10s with Summer 2006 is pretty old.

The retirement of the two 757s was always going to hapen, and I think that they have had excellent use out of them.


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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 19):
Hi,

Passed on from a Bournemouth Yahoo group -

Quoting Candid76 (Thread starter):
G-RJGR is being flown to MZJ sometime soon for storage and G-PIDS is

going to BOH, then onto someone else.

BmiBaby737

His sorry about that, it's not quoting Candid76 - I was trying to put the text from the yahoo group into a lil quoting box.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:36 am

I want the MD-83's back!

They were not in the fleet long, but were their original aircrafts.


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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:40 am

G-WJAN is at southend at present i had heard from a guy at monarch that they would be using G-SJMC any one heard this
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:48 am

The MD83s were the original Airtours choice. They actually initially selected the MD83s over the A320.

In fact, if you were to get hold of a brochure of Airtours from the early 90s you would read a full page spread singing the delights of their choice of the MD83 with its 2-3 seating, which apparently Airtours believed people prefered over the 3-3 of other charter aircraft.

They started off initially with 5 MD83s and liked them so much and were so pleased with their reliability and suitability they went on to aquire a further 3 aircraft.

Then when they inherited the 320s and 757s of IEA they seemed to suddenly go cold on the MD83s and favoured phasing them out and adding more 320s, an aircraft they had initially evaluated and rejected!!!
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting Onlysmarties (Reply 27):
G-WJAN is at southend at present i had heard from a guy at monarch that they would be using G-SJMC any one heard this

G-SJMC had a heavy landing and is still being repaired so if it is going to Monarch, I doubt it I'll be any time soon.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 28):
In fact, if you were to get hold of a brochure of Airtours from the early 90s you would read a full page spread singing the delights of their choice of the MD83 with its 2-3 seating, which apparently Airtours believed people preferred over the 3-3 of other charter aircraft.

I managed to get/find an Airtours Winter Sun 1992/93 brochure and there is a page inside the brochure about the Airline, including passenger comments, and the back page of the brochure is a page which talks some more about the Airline, with descriptions of the service and pictures of the Aircraft and crew.

Sign's of an Proud Airline indeed!

Currently, In my opinion, Thomas Cook have the most and best information about their Airline in their brochures.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:25 am

Glad you managed to get a copy. I work in travel back when AIH were first established and kept brochure cuttings and ttg cuttings about AIH formation.

I loved reading that Airtours had opted for 167 seating in the MD83, below maximum. They made great boats about that in those days. They were not so quick at telling people when they decided after awhile to increase the seating to 172 pax!

Still AIH were great. The only tour op to almost guarantee you a flight on a MD83 'drainpipe' they offered good service back then too; bucks fizz, hot towels etc.

I think the MD83 were ideal for AIH and served them well on their route network and established them firmly in the IT market at a difficult time.

I think even today, MYT is the best of the IT carriers, along with FCA. Their re-introduction of hot meals for all pax inclusive in the cost has put them above the Tui Thomson.

Funny because back in those days Thomson/Britannia was perceived as being more quality than AIH, now look at ThomsonFly with their no-frills approach, they make MYT look like luxury.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:28 am

A bit off topic, but MyTravel group have changed the Airtours logo http://www.airtours.co.uk Arguably last bit left of the original Airtours.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:28 am

Sorry, duplicate oops.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:41 am

saw one of the 757's outside the MYT hangar today, stripped of MYT name, just plain "empty" logo i'm not sure if it was PIDS, I couldnt catch the reg, i was in a rush lol
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting Speedbird19 (Reply 33):
saw one of the 757's outside the MYT hangar today, stripped of MYT name, just plain "empty" logo i'm not sure if it was PIDS, I couldnt catch the reg, i was in a rush lol

Yes Claire it was G-PIDS, they are both outside the MYT/SR Technics hangar, G-RJGR is round the otherside, with its titles removed.

Bit off topic, but when I was on my way to AMS on Saturday, Monarch 767 G-DIMB was parked up on remote, based here now then, like I've been hearing it was this winter.

G-SJMC would be good for Monarch, expanding Long Haul

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 31):
A bit off topic, but MyTravel group have changed the Airtours logo http://www.airtours.co.uk Arguably last bit left of the original Airtours.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 31):
A bit off topic, but MyTravel group have changed the Airtours logo http://www.airtours.co.uk Arguably last bit left of the original Airtours.

I was actually thinking the other day if or when they will change the logo.  

I'm really not a fan of the new logo, it feels like something from the past, and hasn't got that sharpness of the old Logo and the MyTravel logo about it. Guess it was time for a change though, after around 10 years with the current logo.





Replace the orange thing with a stright line, do something with the "A" (like the old logo), put it in Italics and darken the blue abit and i'd be happy. But thats just me!  Best logo about now is First Choice IMO, but i'll get used to the new Airtours one!  

  • Anyway, 3 A320 Aircraft coming off lease are to be returned to their lessors in March and April 2006. This is to increase flexibility and reduce risk in the group. Read more here.

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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:04 am

    Just an update, today G-RJGR positioned out of MAN to Bangor, devoid of MyTravel markings. Anyone know why, or where it is going to end up?

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    Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:20 pm

    It's going to Marana.

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    Departure City (Airport) Bangor, ME (BGR)
    Departure Time 11/08/2005 06:42 AM
    Arrival City (Airport) Marana, AZ (MZJ)
    Arrival Time 11/08/2005 10:10 AM
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:01 pm

    A shame to see those hard working MyTravel 757s gone.

    Just been looking at the flight schedules in Airtours brochure for next year. It seems that with the cuts to the MYT fleet, less flying is being done in-house and more use made of other airlines.
     
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:51 am

    ORIORN 737

    Capacity wise for the group, probably be similar to summer 05, the 3rd party flights that are operating on behalf of the Tour Ops are generally on routes that are allready heavily saturated (lgw-agp) for example.

    No point sending an A320 of our own down there with soo many other airlines operating the route.
    Less risk in buying 100 seats that you know will sell at a good price rather than 180 seats that you prob wont, or if you do, prob wont get the proffit you deserve.

    There is still alot of change going on at the moment and it seems to be for the better. The fleet that we do have seem to have performed alot better although we do still have the good old delay days now and again.

    Hope everyone is well and speak soon

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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:32 am

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 39):
    Just been looking at the flight schedules in Airtours brochure for next year. It seems that with the cuts to the MYT fleet, less flying is being done in-house and more use made of other airlines.

    Futura had a 738 based at MAN all summer doing MyTravel flights. I believe other airports had Futura and Spanair aircraft operating on behalf of MyTravel.

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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:34 pm

    I agree with your points SBE727. MYTs performance and reliability has been much better of late with less delays.

    Its nteresting though to note that at one point up to 90% of Airtours/Aspro flights were carried out in-house by AIH/MYT now that figure is muchmuch less.

    Seems the trend which other operators have of increasing the use of their own airlines is going opposite direction for the MYT group.

    Not only are foreign airlines like Futura, Spanair and Sata Acores used incresingly rival tour operators airlines are also being used. ThomsonFly, Monarch and Thomas Cook are all being used this year to fly Airoturs holidaymakers. Funny how MYT would rather cut their own airline fleet and fly holidaymakers on rival charter airlines.

    I think the 320/321 fleet of MYT will be very restrictive in the busy summer months for LGW and MAN - ALC, PMI, TFS etc. I think a larger aircraft would be very useful for these key destinations.
     
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:03 pm

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 42):
    Its nteresting though to note that at one point up to 90% of Airtours/Aspro flights were carried out in-house by AIH/MYT now that figure is muchmuch less.

    Seems the trend which other operators have of increasing the use of their own airlines is going opposite direction for the MYT group.

    Overcapacity was cited as one of the main problems that drove MyTravel into the position they were in, both on the tour operator and the airline side. At one point they literally couldn't shift enough of their holidays, it was well documented in the press - they had expanded far too fast.

    Sure, its great having your own airline to operate all of your flights in the summer, but what are you meant to do with all these aircraft in the winter months when your flying programme is only 50-70% of what it is in summer?
     
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:08 pm

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 42):
    I think a larger aircraft would be very useful for these key destinations

    MyTravel already has that aircraft in their fleet - the A330, though of course their fleet is mostly used on long haul - the point is, the flexibility is there.

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 39):
    It seems that with the cuts to the MYT fleet, less flying is being done in-house and more use made of other airlines.

    The benefit here is that the MyTravel fleet is well utilised year round, and there is less need to arrange winter leases to other airlines.
    MyTravel are also less vulnerable to (unexpected) downturns in the market that can happen, and can switch flying inhouse should this happen.

    To counter these benefits, by no longer operating inhouse you lose some control over standards and also presumably costs are greater when chartering in capacity (but perhaps not in all instances?).
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:12 pm

    First Choice and Thomson and Thomsas Cook maange to achieve it. FCA often lease out a couple of 757s to Canadian or Mexican charter carriers for whom the Winter is their busiest period.

    Airtours were very innovative with utilising the AIH/MYT fleet during winter. As well as deploying their aircraft on Winter sun holidays they also offered extenive winter sports programmes and a series of European day trips. They were the first UK tour operator to offer these day trips to Europe in an attempt to better utilise their aircraft in winter.
     
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:25 pm

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 42):
    Seems the trend which other operators have of increasing the use of their own airlines is going opposite direction for the MYT group.

    And long may it continue!

    Let's get back to the days of independent charter airlines (such as Astraeus) and do away with vertical integration.

    It would make for more liveries and more variety of equipment!

    I know I'm sounding like a  grumpy   old  man!

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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:33 pm

    I would love to see that happen. Airlines like Dan Air were squeezed out because they were finding it increasingly difficult to secure charter contracts from tour operators as they were all forming their own airlines and shifting the bulk of their flying in-house.

    Today Thomson and First Choice almost totally rely on their own airlines to operate their programmes. Airtours seems to be the only one bucking the trend and that is simply because they cut too much capacity from their fleet.

    It was obvious that capacity cuts were needed at MYT but I think it was a mistake to go to just 320/321 for short haul as their tour operating arms would often require more seats that MYT would be able to provide.

    It seems the benefits of vertical integration havent worked too well for MYT group.
     
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:37 pm

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 45):
    First Choice and Thomson and Thomsas Cook maange to achieve it. FCA often lease out a couple of 757s to Canadian or Mexican charter carriers for whom the Winter is their busiest period.

    You're missing the point. MyTravel do not need to rely on other airlines using their aircraft as an aid to their (MyTravel's) successful operations.

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 47):
    Airtours seems to be the only one bucking the trend and that is simply because they cut too much capacity from their fleet

    What is the evidence that they have cut 'too much capacity' ?
    What they have done is reduce overheads and costs - essential steps that needed to be taken to ensure their future

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 47):
    It was obvious that capacity cuts were needed at MYT but I think it was a mistake to go to just 320/321 for short haul as their tour operating arms would often require more seats that MYT would be able to provide.

    When they see a sustained market upturn, they can always expand their fleet. Until such time they can continue to charter capacity as required.

    Quoting Orion737 (Reply 47):
    It seems the benefits of vertical integration havent worked too well for MYT group.

    This is an unfounded statement. MyTravel will have gained the same sort of benefits from vertical integration that Thomson/ThomasCook/First Choice will have too.
    What didn't work too well for MyTravel was some (overseas) expansion of the business that really stretched their capability and resources, and probably meant that their core business (in the UK) suffered on the back of their over ambitious expansion.
    What matters is that the company took the tough decisions needed to bring themselves back on track.
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    SBE727
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    RE: Goodbye MyTravel 757s

    Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:45 pm

    I think that the cuts MyTravel made, have worked in their favour, they have reduced the fleet to a managable size for both summer and winter, without having to rely on securing lots of winter leases.

    We have an agreement with Skyservice whereby we lease a few a/c in for the summer to help with the peak period and we lease out a few back to them for the winter. Works quite well all round.
    Don't forget that we also get involved with the Hajj work for Garuda every winter.

    Also, 767-300 will be back with us for next summer, and i believe are gonna be used on the key routes.

    I actualy think that MyTravel now have the programme at a good size and yet still can remain competitive.

    Look at Excel who have gone from like 25+ flights during the summer to just a few, what are they doing with all their a/c.


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