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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:32 am

DLC is great, but not always when your not used to it and hand flying her.When you try and alter the pitch on the AI to maintain G/S nothing happens so it can be quite disconcerting  Smile I wasn't training to fly her properly, it was a Multi Crew Co-operation Course.
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:47 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 41):
The picture is a L-1011-500 the one for sale/lease is a L-1011-1.

Oh thanks.
Would 10,000 + hours as a 742 F/E and 10 years as a 747, VC-10 and 707 hanger engineer count for a F/E or engineer ?

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I'm in. where do I send my money.

You send it to my off shores bank account in Barbados  Wink

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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:48 am

In my view, the period up to 1997 is not the problem.

Firstly it was stored from 1997 to 2003, then it was sold to North East Airlines of Bolivia. Furthermore, I am sure that I saw figures of 69,594 Hrs/22,087 Cycles for this bird, rather than the 61,080 Hrs/19,357 Cycles quoted in the ad.

Also the RB211-22B could be an issue.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:54 am

Could the engines on an L 1011 be retrofitted with more modern fuel efficient ones ?
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 52):
Also the RB211-22B could be an issue

Then upgrade it from a -50 to a -200 or -250 with the RB211-524 engines

updated for spelling error

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[Edited 2005-11-11 01:02:47]
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:58 am

Why don't we just get John Travolta to join the site, buy the plane, and be our pilot? That way we don't have to spend much and we'd all get to meet JT. And we could outfit the plane with an all-business class layout, saving weight (and fuel) and increasing luxury and such. We could have a bar and huge bathrooms to boot, as well as large televisions and a lounge. It could be awesome. WHERE ARE YOU JOHN?!?!?!

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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:04 am

AIRLINERS.NET AIRLINES!!!

It all starts here folks.

"Just like Airliners.net, but without the forum."

"Airliners.net... More addictive than CRACK!!!"

I wrote the latter in English class today a nice looking grafiti font.

Let's get to work...
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:51 am

It really is all up to marketting, isn't it?

I think once word spreads that a large group of enthusiasts are buying a L-1011 and with their own blood seat and tears resurrect this fabulous tri-jet. Wouldn't this be the underdog of the 21st century kind of story? Network news...magazines...whatnot. Katie Couric for goodness sakes....all it would take is a phone call.

Lockheed....I bet they'd kick in some parts and cash....at the very least the blueprints. I am sure we have some machinist's on here (I can do a little precision work myself). This group on A.net is a massive hive of energetic people with some serious connections....it may even qualify for a Guiness record...as to the sheer numbers of investors involved....and from hundreds of different backgrounds, languages, and interests.

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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:09 am

while studying for my JAA PPL i read there is a legal limit to the number of people who part share an aircraft.I believe the limit is 20 people so i think your going to divide the cost by 20.  banghead 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:18 am

Then we will see the monthly "Let's chip in to pay for fuel, airport fees, maintenance, insurance" threads!

Each time more and more desperate.

Then, it ill be the biggest "who get's to fly on it first" and that will be one hell of a line (50,000 members!).

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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:45 am

Well hell, if we can paint it in the original TWA colors from 1976-1995, I'll toss in my just recently cashed out 401(k) and sell all my airline stock cept Continental. That ought to cover about...325 people or so. Any takers?
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:43 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 60):
if we can paint it in the original TWA colors from 1976-1995,

I take it then that the L-1011's painted in TWA's "Double Globe" livery from 1971 to 1976 were "pre-original?"
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:18 pm

Hey, I'd be in for $56 if it meant I had a share in one of those gorgeous machines!
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:30 pm

You've got my $60... Now get the 49,999 other members to do the same and I'll bring you the cash in person.  Smile
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:34 pm

People would fly in the order of descending contributions.

Perhaps 30 seats could be reserved for any A.net members who actually need to get somewhere for business, or vacation (what's the old saying? no grass  wideeyed , no  butthead , no free ride  airplane , and BYOB  champagne  )....if the bird's location and schedule takes it somewhere close by them. There really could be benefits to being a member.  Wink
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:17 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 33):
Ugh...could you imagine US staring up an airline??!!

You'd have half of us screaming to be an LCC, and half of us a full service airline. You'd have people fighting about who gets to do what within the company. You'd have most of us fighting over getting to be on the crew in one fashon or another. It would be a disaster

And don't forget the big question:

A vs. B? Which do we buy?
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:10 pm

I suggest the plane be painted with 2 different schemes, like the very first A300, One side Swiss air the other Lufthansa.
But why TWA colours?
What about something like British Caledonia , or Air Canada , or even better Laker (RIP)!

[Edited 2005-11-11 08:16:00]
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:19 pm

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 36):
How about an old NW DC-9? duck

You'd have to get to it before the Wing Nuts guys, otherwise it'd be pretty difficult to control ...

 Smile

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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:20 pm

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Thread starter):

This aircraft can fly many places you'd want to go ... Africa, third world

below is from the for sale page

"(SORRY NOT AVAILABLE USA OR JAA OPERATIONS)"

There are plenty of good ex US legacy carriers L1011-500's available for charter & very inexpensive to charter, although guz guzzlers, still work out cheap.

At todays fuel prices only looking at USD$8000 / block hour for up to roughly 340 Y class seats FULLY INCLUSIVE CHARTER, including everything but alcohol.

With fuel probably going to drop back to USD$40 a barrel by middle of next year according to Forbes, it will only get cheaper.

IFE you say ?

Buy a portable DVD player. U can get one now for only AUD$150 (just over USD$100) or less for cash or probably less DUTY FREE or in the U.S. or on eBay.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:39 pm

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
I'm sure there are enough A.netters here who are more than qualified to fly it

Does it help to say that I flew in A Cessna C152 for 1 hour and 20 minutes!  Smile :0-)
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:53 pm

You don't want to but one, charter one !!!

What about FRACTIONAL CHARTER ???

There's fractional ownership of losts of things these days, accommodations, boats, business jets & commercial jets.

Why not FRACTIONAL CHARTER ??? The catch with chartering a wide body for example, is you need to charter for for a lot of hours to bring the cost down 7 make it viable. There must be a lot of tour operators/large travel agents out there who need large aircraft for a series of international charters, but not for 1000 hours. By sharing with others, get the advantages of lower costs or better aircraft at same costs.

Australia/USA-Canada comes to mind - just can't do domestic charters.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:13 pm

Whilst only 20 people can part own an aircraft, if you form a company you can have as many shareholders as you want.

Price $60 per share.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:14 pm

So the answer is to form a company, and the company buys the plane.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:15 pm

Legal nightmare that would be!!
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:45 pm

Airliners.net is already a company, isn't it?
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:37 pm

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 74):
Airliners.net is already a company, isn't it?

I doubt it - think of the tax implications for Johan...
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:51 pm

Would it be feasable for the membership to select 20 trustees from the group, which would legally "own" the aircraft, and each in turn would manage around 2500 members and their personal donations/contributions?

The flight restrictions on the bird make the deal not so attractive. What would have to be done to allow it to fly in the US and EU? Just curious.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:29 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 76):
The flight restrictions on the bird make the deal not so attractive. What would have to be done to allow it to fly in the US and EU? Just curious.

Forget it. It would cost more to be able to fly to U.S. than it's worth. This aircraft will either be scrapped or end up doing hajj work or in Africa.

It's much easier to find an existing L1011-500 that can fly into USA. There's already a fractional ownership scheme for an L1011-500 on Barnstormers right now. Go to Air Transport & then L1011.

But repeating, why would you want to buy or own one. Much less hassle to lease or charter for a few months.

We have an associate, who's trying to do just this right now, charter an L1011-500 that can already fly into USA, for initially a couple of months to do very low cost long haul.

It's just like Southwest or Westjet starting with 737-200 but instead of domestic short haul doing international long haul.

Low cost long haul is the next big thing. Of course you'd get meals & drinks, but no silly f.f. programmes, lounges & everything will be kept as simple as possible.

With portable DVD palyers so cheap now, instead of trying to organise IFE it would be much easier to either give guests a DVD player or arrange with a supplier or retailer to get one at a very good price & as far as DVD's go they could simply hire them. Plenty of dvd hire businesses would like to get into that captive market. At the end of the long haul flight, guests could simply put hire dvd's back into an envelope & airline could post or deliver them on return to contry of origin. In Australia & probably USA now & many other countries, there are dvd hire businesses with no shop fornt address. You simply order online, dvd's are posted out & come with a postage paid return envelope for when finished with. Once returned more dvd's can be posted out.

It would be silly for airline to get involved, when it can virtually all be done by outsiders. All airline would have to do, would be to have a "post box" on board aircraft.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:40 am

further on chartering a wide body eg. a L1011.

An number of itineraries could be suggested with fixed dates.

The most popular could then be advertised online many many months in advance. Credit card payments could be made, on the understanding that as soon as a certain number (break even point) was reached by a certain deadline, the trip was a goer. Any seats remaining could then be advertised online or sold on eBay to the public.

The charter could probably be operated on a AFFINITY "PRIVATE CHARTER" basis which is a lot easier to organise than a "PUBLIC CHARTER" as far as U.S. authorities are concerned anyway.

Eg. Everyone going would have to be Airliners.net 1st class member.

The following is from the World Airways website see

http://www.woa.com/passenger/quote.php

Private Charter

A Private Charter exists when the charterer pays for the use of an aircraft in its entirety, which will be used by a specific group of individuals with a common purpose. There are two types of private charters; a Single Entity charter and an Affinity charter. If the travel is for a single organization (i.e. company incentive trip) and as long as passengers do not pay their own fare, directly or indirectly, this can be operated as a Single Entity charter. If all passengers have an interest in common (i.e. membership organization), this can be operated as an Affinity charter where the passengers pay their own way. Affinity charters may not sell seats to individuals outside of this affinity group.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:47 am

Why 1st class members only.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:48 am

Why 1st class members only.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:59 am

I'm not sure about the 1st class member statement...maybe it has to do with charter regulations?

I still have a problem with chartering though.....we cannot stick our own A.net pilots up front...and the whole thing ends abruptly after each and every one of starts to get seriously addicted to it (having a plane of our own).  Wink
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 68):
"(SORRY NOT AVAILABLE USA OR JAA OPERATIONS)"

They are referring to the two spare engines and the spare APU, not the aircraft.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 68):
There are plenty of good ex US legacy carriers L1011-500's available for charter & very inexpensive to charter, although guz guzzlers, still work out cheap.

At todays fuel prices only looking at USD$8000 / block hour for up to roughly 340 Y class seats FULLY INCLUSIVE CHARTER, including everything but alcohol.

L-1011-500 maximum passengers is 315.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:26 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 11):

There are people here from literally all walks of aviation life, from upper management to janitorial. We have everything we need....except for the will to actually do it.

Name ten members of Airliners.net in management. Name some people in janitorial. Hell, name a hundred that can form sentences.

Quoting Jumpseatflyer (Reply 56):
"Airliners.net... More addictive than CRACK!!!"

I wrote the latter in English class today a nice looking grafiti font.

Quality marketing there.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 57):
Network news...magazines...whatnot. Katie Couric for goodness sakes....all it would take is a phone call.

Yes, a bunch of adults on an internet forum acting like four year olds. Breaking news.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 57):
Lockheed....I bet they'd kick in some parts and cash....at the very least the blueprints.

Why?

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 74):
Airliners.net is already a company, isn't it?

In Sweden, maybe.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 81):
I still have a problem with chartering though.....we cannot stick our own A.net pilots up front.

Ah, yes, I want to step on board an aircraft piloted by someone who's training does not reach beyond Flight Simulator 2004.

Seriously people, grow up. Not going to happen. Ever. And you only have 9,999 contributing to this silly plan because this member isn't giving $0.56, let alone $56.

AAndrew
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:42 am

I hate to bust all your dreams...but there is a BIG problem. If you read the fine print, the aircraft is prohibited from operating under a FAA or JAA operator........!! That cuts out the USA, all of Europe and much of the rest of the developed world....

Maybe that's a good reason in registered in the Congo.....???
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:50 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 82):
L-1011-500 maximum passengers is 315.

Not correct, depends on what aircraft is certificed for. Know of quite a few that seat 337 & the ex Air Transat aircraft are configured in 2 classes & total is 309.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 80):
Why 1st class members only.

Much less paperwork required for a PRIVATE charter vs public charter. See World Airways link.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 81):
I'm not sure about the 1st class member statement...maybe it has to do with charter regulations?

I still have a problem with chartering though.....we cannot stick our own A.net pilots up front...and the whole thing ends abruptly after each and every one of starts to get seriously addicted to it (having a plane of our own).

OK, let's just say we said lets try a charter operating over route:-

DEN/HNL/MEL for 1DEC 2006 (arrive 03DEC due to crossing dateline) with return date 23DEC, (arrive 23DEC) based on a L1011-500 with 337 seats.

Could say 1st 100 to commit by receipt of credit card payment could have fare for USD$999 + taxes/charges roughly USD$299, then next 100 same for USD$100 extra & so on. Obviously taxes/charges may vary with fuel price.

If got 200 starters then it could be a goer & extra 137 seats could then by sold to the public/tour operators etc. on basis that those booking were members of Airliners.net 1st clas 1st.

Further HNL/MEL/HNL could be sold (but not DEN/HNL as that is domestic & cabotage applies to international carriers).

Also there is now much greater demand for one ways, so any of the following could be sold:-

DEN/MEL one way
HNL/MEL one way
MEL/HNL one way
MEL/DEN one way

& these can be combined with AD, ID, frequent flyer or certain revenue tickets.

It's not rocket science !!!

The hard part is finding a route, that isn't flown already & that people would want to fly at certain dates.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):
What happens once you purchase it? You have to pay storage fees and all that other good stuff, insurance, fuel and much much more...... Kinda like what the word boat stands for, "bring out another thousand!"

We wouldn't need to do anything like that because we could sell the ad space on the bird and cut corners. I'm sure that we could find somebody on A-net who could provide us with the skills and expertise to keep the thing in the air.  Wink
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:03 am

As a poster said above....the restrictions appear to be on the spare engines and APU, not the aircraft.

I bet we have at least three here who have flown that type before. One poster on this thread has time on the L-1011 simulator (not MSFS, LOL), hell I could fly it after one evening's time scanning the handbook. I would rather a proud ex-L-1011 crew fly the bird anyway, as I would hate to show them up if front of God and everyone (A.net).  Wink

Have four year olds done this before? You mean we would not be the first? Well....there goes the Guiness Book...  Yeah sure
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:04 am

Assuming that EMBQA is correct.

Where can the plane be operated.

Any info about why FAA and JAA operators are out, and does an FAA operator being out also mean that it can't be flown in the US.

Simplicity

Are you sure about these figures, they seem very high.
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:14 am

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 85):
Not correct, depends on what aircraft is certificed for. Know of quite a few that seat 337 & the ex Air Transat aircraft are configured in 2 classes & total is 309.

Not correct, why? Lockheed L-1011-385-3 Model Specification (LR 27508) clearly states "Maximum number of passengers 315".
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 88):
Assuming that EMBQA is correct.

Assuming..? Read the terms of the sale..!!! If you've read above, several other A.net members noticed the same requirment.
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:04 am

If the plane is stored in my city, I'm willing to ante up a cool $1000.

BTW, is it legal to fly a privately-operated airliner with only one pilot if it is not used commercially?
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 91):
BTW, is it legal to fly a privately-operated airliner with only one pilot if it is not used commercially?

No. What the aircraft is certified to operate with is what it must have. In this case 3.
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:08 am

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 85):
It's not rocket science !!!

Perhaps not for you  Smile I love airplanes and the science of flight, but I am not the big traveller (last flight for me was in the 20th century). I have no idea if those are good prices for a seat or not.  frown 
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:18 am

Probably prohibited from JAA/FAA countries because it hasn't even had a sniff of a service bulletin, airworthiness directive or a c.p.c.p inspection since 1997. But on the other hand probably a great bus for a FS2004 pilot as it probably has no E.G.P.W.S. working WX radar or T.C.A.S. but we better be quick, I heard a rumour that a certain mens toiletries company (the best a man can get) also have their eyes on this tasty morsel,

So go on, buy a pack of razors to support your hobby! A lot cheaper than this Tristar and I dare say will last a hell of a lot longer,



It's a nice dream.........  Smile

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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:19 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 89):
Not correct, why? Lockheed L-1011-385-3 Model Specification (LR 27508) clearly states "Maximum number of passengers 315".

NOT REFERRING TO THAT PARTICULAR AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS KIND OF USELESS UNLESS DOING HAJJ FLIGHTS OR IN AFRICA, BUT TALKING ABOUT L1011-500'S IN GENERAL.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 88):
Simplicity

Are you sure about these figures, they seem very high.

USD$8000 / BLOCK HOUR FULLY INCLUSIVE, INCLUDING VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING EXCEPT ALCOHOL & PERSONAL TAXES.

PRICE MIGHT DROP TO USD$7000 /BLOCK HOUR IS COMMITMEENT WAS FOR 1000 HOURS.

R U GETTING CONFUSED WITH LEASING COSTS OR ACMI ??? FULL CHARTER INCLUDES ALL FUEL, AIRPORT COSTS, EVERYTHING !!!
 
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RE: I've Got A Plan... (Let's Buy This Tristar)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:55 am

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 95):
BUT TALKING ABOUT L1011-500'S IN GENERAL

With a 31" pitch and 10 abreast seating you can only stuff 315 seats in an L-1011-500, any L-1011-500.
 
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:35 pm

at average 30 inch pitch can do 337 seats.
 
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:51 pm

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 97):
at average 30 inch pitch can do 337 seats.

I GIVE UP, YOU WIN, but don't let any regulatory agency catch you with any more than 315 souls onboard an L-1011-500, because that is all they are certified for.
 
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:06 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 98):
I GIVE UP, YOU WIN, but don't let any regulatory agency catch you with any more than 315 souls onboard an L-1011-500, because that is all they are certified for.

Where do u get this inaccurate info from?

R u referring to US domestic ops?

Certainly not correct for international ops. We have an associate who's chartering a 337 seats (ex DL) L1011-500.

You can have pax in the cockpit for an international charter, but not 22 pax !!!

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