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Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:20 am

With DL folding Song back into their mainline ops... it got me thinking which carrier within a carrier has lasted the longest. My guess for shortest was probably CalLite.... anyone know the longest???
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:54 am

BEA, BOAC and BCal still operate within BA........
 
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting Charliecossie (Reply 1):
BEA, BOAC and BCal still operate within BA........

I beg to differ. BEA and BOAC operated as separate entities for the first 12-18 months when the two were merged to form BA. Generally short-haul was BEA's domain and long-haul was BOAC's domain, but eventually the two airlines became one. BCal was fully integrated into BA's network on their murder, sorry, merger - the Golden Lion Tails and Tartan uniforms did briefly survive as BA's charter subsidiary that was called Caledonian Airways but was taken over by Carlson and then Thomas Cook and renamed JMC and eventually Thomas Cook Airlines.
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:21 am

While I'm not positive, I think that -- at least in the U.S. -- the distinction would go to Delta Express, which was around from 1996 through 2003, seven years. Shuttle by United and USAirways MetroJet are right up there, though. All of them launched and folded within about a year of each other, IIRC.
 
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:26 am

Bloody hell, it was a joke!

But not entirely.
I joined BCal in 1984. BCal still lives at Gatwick.
If you were able to visit the Techs at LHR, you would see that BEA and BOAC are still very much alive.
LHR and LGW (and Frankfurt , actually) are full of Wenwees.
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:30 am

BMED are also still operating under BA. Don't know how long for though. I think it is around the 10 year mark, although correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:31 am

Quoting Charliecossie (Reply 4):
Bloody hell, it was a joke!

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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting Charliecossie (Reply 4):
BCal still lives at Gatwick.
If you were able to visit the Techs at LHR, you would see that BEA and BOAC are still very much alive.
LHR and LGW (and Frankfurt , actually) are full of Wenwees.

Even though the mergers were almost 20-30 years ago, I have seen and experienced the Spirits of BEA/BOAC/BCal living on within BA. At LGW, it seems that the BA staff are somewhat friendlier, more experienced, and more helpful than their counterparts at LHR are. Perhaps this is because the Spirit of BCal is living on. BCal always tried harder than BA and 'never forgot that their passengers had a choice' so this is reflected in the Gatwick staff.

BOAC staff always felt superior to their counterparts at BEA. Perhaps this was because there was, in the glory days, an added glamour about long haul flying and being away for several days from base, compared with Back Every Afternoon for the BEA staff, who were normally considered Union-led revolutionaries!

Trouble is that today the number of staff who trained with BOAC/BEA/BCal are now being outnumbered by the pure BA staff, so the 'Wenwees' are disappearing. Nevertheless, it is great when you know the BA staff is one of the old boys/girls - the highlight for me was that the flight deck crew on my BA flight to Hong Kong comprised two former BCal pilots, and the Chief Purser was a former Caledonian Girl!
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:01 am

KLM City Hopper?

I repeat,

KLM City Hopper?
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:19 am

I should have added the shortest also... I stick with CalLite, but could be wrong!!
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:53 am

Not sure if this fits the topic percisly but is the one in the pacific NW. Started in 1981, Horizon Air QX was launched as a feeder carrier for Alaska in Seattle under the Alaska Air group. Even though they are not within AS, they are under the same corporate umbrella and have been going strong for 24 years.
 
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:54 am

Continental Micronesia?

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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting Rossbaku (Reply 5):
BMED are also still operating under BA. Don't know how long for though. I think it is around the 10 year mark

It started on 30 March 1997.

Loganair operated the former BA Highland and Islands routes from GLA and became BA's first franchise partner in July 1994.

Next was the similar arrangement with GB Airways that started in February 1995 although the connection goes back to 1947 when (as Gibair, founded in 1931 by shipping company MH Bland) BEA (merged operationally into BA in September 1973) bought a 51 per cent interest that was sold back to the Bland Group in 1995.

Sun-Air (founded in 1978 by Niels Sundberg who died recently) came to a similar arrangement with BA on 1 August 1996 as did Comair - the South African one - a few months later in October.
 
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:33 am

Yeah, Continental Micronesia comes to mind, although technically, they're a separate entity with the same brand?
 
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 11):
Continental Micronesia

I was thinking about and agree with you about Continental Micronesia. They have been around for years, and seem to still be doing strong as they fill a certain niche (since travelers between US territories and the rest of the country may only travel on a US airline). Air Micronesia was founded in 1968 and continues to operate under Continental Airlines.
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RE: Longest Operating Carrier Within A Carrier..

Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:49 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
Even though the mergers were almost 20-30 years ago, I have seen and experienced the Spirits of BEA/BOAC/BCal living on within BA. At LGW, it seems that the BA staff

There are still lots of BOAC/BEA personell at LHR, Although they are mainly in engineeering or are pilots. The reason why there are so many old boys/girls at LGW, is because they are mainly ex BCAL staff.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
Trouble is that today the number of staff who trained with BOAC/BEA/BCal are now being outnumbered by the pure BA staff,

Well, yes, anyone who's been with the airlines 30- years, are all pure BA, So yes the numbers are starting to slip.

Quoting Charliecossie (Reply 4):
If you were able to visit the Techs at LHR, you would see that BEA and BOAC are still very much alive.

Yep, although they are mainly in management.

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