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2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:55 am

I quote from the Emirates website:

Our Airbus 340-300s enable us to bring even higher standards of comfort, facilities and services to Economy Class travel. Quiet, spacious cabins with plenty of large storage lockers for carry-on baggage, superb meals and outstanding inflight entertainment all combine to make flying with Emirates even more comfortable.

Our newly designed, contoured seats are set in 2-4-2 and 2-4-3 configurations with a recline of 15 centimetres (6 inches) and no less than 81 centimetres (32 inches) between rows. Each seat back contains a high definition 16.5cm (6.5 inches) screen on which to enjoy the 15 TV, 22 audio and 18 interactive games channels, and a personal satellite phone.

SURELY that's some kind of typo or something... they CAN'T be putting 2-4-3 in an airbus can they??
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:59 am

I belive that they put 3-4-3 on the 777s, cannot imagine how that is on a long haul flight

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:00 am

Well 2+4+2 would be at 18" seat width. Reducing that down to 17" would give you eight inches, then if you knock another inch from the armrest width that would put you right there at 9 across with 17".

Alternatively, you could shrink the aisles a bit, but at 2+4+2 they are probably close to the width of the catering trolleys as is...

[Edited 2005-11-24 00:01:19]
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting Vasu (Thread starter):
SURELY that's some kind of typo or something... they CAN'T be putting 2-4-3 in an airbus can they??

That is definitely a mistake, I can not think of any airline that is operating the A340 in a 2-4-3 configuration in Eco.

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:16 am

There's obviously the width available, as the widebody series is offered in a 9-abreast layout - but it's generally 3-3-3. Is this a typo then? It seems odd that they specifically mentioned two configurations...

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:19 am

I dont think that any Airbus widebody has been equipped with 2-4-3 seating, I dont even know if that arrangement was offered by Airbus.....some carriers have operated Airbus widebodies (doesnt matter which, all share the same fuselage cross section) with a 3-3-3 layout for 9 abreast: I believe that some charter carriers use this configuration and I think that AF had 9 abreast on some of its original A300s.

The seat map on the EK site shows a typical 2-4-2 setup up in Y class.
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:23 am

Actually a Boeing 777 cabin is 5.8 m. wide with typically 9 seats. An Airbus 340 is 5.28 m. wide with typically 8 seats. This means that there are slightly more width per seat in the Airbus. If Emirates can fit another seat to the Boeing so it is 3-4-3 as the do, I'll assume that it is also possible to make a 2--4-3 on the Airbus?
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 6):
Actually a Boeing 777 cabin is 5.8 m. wide with typically 9 seats. An Airbus 340 is 5.28 m. wide with typically 8 seats. This means that there are slightly more width per seat in the Airbus. If Emirates can fit another seat to the Boeing so it is 3-4-3 as the do, I'll assume that it is also possible to make a 2--4-3 on the Airbus?

A 777 with nine seats can (and does) offer 18" seat width, same as an A340 with eight seats. At 10 seats, a 777 has to go to 17" width (as would an A340 at 9).

UA, for example, flies 2+5+2 on their 777s with an 18" seat width and 3+4+3 with a 17" on their 744s.
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:27 am

Already 8 abreast in a 340 is terribly cramped, 9 abreast is horror, like 10 abreast in a 777. Every centimeter is important in these cattle classes. I would never ever fly a 9 abreast 330/340 or 10 abreast 777. For cattle you have laws but not for human beings. Better rise the prices and give more room.
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:29 am

Well I flew on an EK 343 a few months ago and it was 2-4-2 without a doubt. I read this on their website too but aparantely this is something they were considering when they picked up the dash 300s from SQ but decided against it thankfully. BTW the 3-4-3 on the 777 isn't bad at all and is barely noticeable width wise compared with the more traditional 9 abreast.
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 8):
Better rise the prices and give more room.

That will not happen!

I was also sick and tired of these horrible cramped Economy's but I found a solution, nowadays I am travelling less but in Business Class instead of Economy Class.

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:28 am

Quoting Foxecho (Reply 1):
I belive that they put 3-4-3 on the 777s, cannot imagine how that is on a long haul flight

Andrew

Compared EK 777 3-4-3 eco layout with the MAS 777 "normal" 2-5-2 layout, I would go on EK 777s. Ok, I'm not a tall person, only 179 cm, but EK was much more comfortable.
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:45 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 8):
I would never ever fly a 9 abreast 330/340

I had the joy  sarcastic  of flying on an Air Transat A330 with 3-3-3, in the middle 3. Luckily, I only had to share it with one other person, but man oh man was it a tight fit. The only saving grace was that they showed some good movies, including Shrek 2.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 10):
I was also sick and tired of these horrible cramped Economy's but I found a solution, nowadays I am travelling less but in Business Class instead of Economy Class.

If I could afford to I would happily pay the extra fare! But not all of us are rich like some of the people on a.net, especially the ones who find it necessary to tell the plebes to simply buy a business class ticket. I suppose instead of asking for bread with a meal I should simply ask for some cake.  irked 

Sabena332, I apologise in advance if I took your remarks the wrong way, but as stated above, I find it insulting when some people on a.net like to throw around how well off they are by making comments like that.

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:58 am

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 12):
If I could afford to I would happily pay the extra fare! But not all of us are rich like some of the people on a.net, especially the ones who find it necessary to tell the plebes to simply buy a business class ticket. I suppose instead of asking for bread with a meal I should simply ask for some cake.

Did you actually read my reply? I wrote that I am travelling LESS nowadays, but when, then in Business Class! In the past I used to travel a lot (for 99% in Economy) but I thought that it is a good idea to book 4 long-haul flights in Business Class than 18 short-haul flights in Economy Class each year.

You see, I can't easily afford a Biz Class flight (I wish I could). I have to pass on a lot of Eco Class flights to book one Biz Class flight.


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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:10 am

I think I would actively avoid EK on long haul routes in economy. I personally feel that seat width is very important as my arms and shoulders hurt when cramped, especially when I can't fully use an armrest.

Is this the economy configuration in the A340-600s that Emirates will get? They have a nice configuration on the A345s with especially comfortable premium classes.
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 12):
I had the joy of flying on an Air Transat A330 with 3-3-3, in the middle 3.

Air Transat's A330-200's with 3-3-3 seating is fine unless you're fat.

I think it's been very well designed. The aisles are narrower but so what. I'm 6 foot 2 inches & fit into the Air Transat seats fine & their fares are incredible.

Just wish they'd fly the old Canada 3000 route, YVR/HNL/BNE, as getting to Canada from BNE is a major pain in the arse, having to change terminals at awful SYD or even worse LAX or go via kiwiland.

The only things Canada 3000 did wrong on their Australian route, which apparently they didn't make any money on, was to position themselves as cheap (which implied nasty) & Australians are so conditioned to paying high fares they thought there must be something wrong. Also, they needed a Club/business class which they were about to introduce on A330's when SEP11 happened. (they had Club class on 752's to Australia originally but that aircraft had to do an extra tech stop at NAN).

Incidentally Air Transat advertise a maximum range for their A330-200's of 12 hours even with 363 in 2 classes !!!

from

http://www.airtransat.ca/en/7_3_2.asp

Maximum Range:
12 hours, up to 6,000 nautical miles (9,600 km)

Crew:
13 (Captain, First Officer, Flight Director, Assistant Flight Director and 9 Flight Attendants)

Seats:
363 (21 in Club Class and 342 in Economy Class), twin aisle, 3-3-3 configuration in Economy Class
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 15):
Air Transat's A330-200's with 3-3-3 seating is fine unless you're fat.

And if you're scrawny. Anyone with upper body development won't be a mere 16" wide across the shoulders.

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:37 pm

Who said their seats are 16 inches wide? I think the aisles are narrower, but that doesn't mean 16 inches ??????
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:01 pm

Well just to repeat EK A340s are in 2-4-2 always have been and always will be. And quite comfortable they are too.
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:13 pm

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 15):
Incidentally Air Transat advertise a maximum range for their A330-200's of 12 hours even with 363 in 2 classes !!!

from

http://www.airtransat.ca/en/7_3_2.asp

Maximum Range:
12 hours, up to 6,000 nautical miles (9,600 km)

Why incidentally ? The A332 with 233 to MTOW has a range of 12500 km, stated by Airbus. That would equal into about 14 hours of flight time.
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 19):
Maximum Range:
12 hours, up to 6,000 nautical miles (9,600 km)
Why incidentally ? The A332 with 233 to MTOW has a range of 12500 km, stated by Airbus. That would equal into about 14 hours of flight time

Is that powered flight range or does that figure include the glide cabability of AirTransit 330s?  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:14 am

That would be sick. I had 2-4-2 standard on LH 346 and it was somewhat packed. If you put one more chair in it. Ey caramba.
I won't fly it!

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:42 am

Thanks for all the comments!

After a bit of research I found a photo of the interior in question...

definitely 2-4-2  Wink

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=375162
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:21 am

Here is a photo of the new Economy but it does not show the extra seat

http://www.emirates.com/uae/AboutEmi...ews/GN_NewsDetail.asp?st=2&yr=2005
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:24 am

[quote=Bmi332,reply=23]Here is a photo of the new Economy but it does not show the extra seat

It is on Page 4!  Smile
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:43 am

Looks to me to just be new headrest covers... but I may be wrong!
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 13):
Did you actually read my reply? I wrote that I am travelling LESS nowadays, but when, then in Business Class! In the past I used to travel a lot (for 99% in Economy) but I thought that it is a good idea to book 4 long-haul flights in Business Class than 18 short-haul flights in Economy Class each year.

You see, I can't easily afford a Biz Class flight (I wish I could). I have to pass on a lot of Eco Class flights to book one Biz Class flight.

Sabena332

As in my first post, I apologise if I offended you.  sorry  My remarks were general in nature and not specifically aimed at you. Looking at my post, I can see how you would think that I was talking about you (I should have written it better). My intention was just to talk about others on a.net (I won't mention any names as I don't like to criticise individuals specifically) who dismiss any discussion on better service and seating by simply saying "buy a business class ticket".

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:43 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
The seat map on the EK site shows a typical 2-4-2 setup up in Y class.

It does today, but I'm quite sure that I saw a seatmap a few months ago on EK's web site with 2-4-3 seating.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 13):
but I thought that it is a good idea to book 4 long-haul flights in Business Class than 18 short-haul flights in Economy Class each year.

How on earth can you manage to do that? A typical short-haul in Europe these days can cost somewhere in the vicinity of 150 euros, while a typical biz long-haul can cost between 1,500-3,000 euros.
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 27):
How on earth can you manage to do that? A typical short-haul in Europe these days can cost somewhere in the vicinity of 150 euros, while a typical biz long-haul can cost between 1,500-3,000 euros.

The numbers I mentioned are not 100% accurate, I also flew a lot long-haul in Economy Class, these were the flights were I always thought: "travel less but more comfortable". I can say that I am spending approximately the same amount of money for flights nowadays than I did in the past.

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 26):
Sabena332

As in my first post, I apologise if I offended you.

Apologize accepted.

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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:31 am

I think the 2-4-2 configuration is the BEST configuration ever. You're never far away from the isle, and if you're sitting the the twos on the sides you have a real sense of privacy and spaciousness.  Smile
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:39 am

Quoting BG777300ER (Reply 29):
I think the 2-4-2 configuration is the BEST configuration ever. You're never far away from the isle, and if you're sitting the the twos on the sides you have a real sense of privacy and spaciousness.

In economy the 2-3-2 of the 767 is the best ever without a doubt. Only 1 person in 7 gets neither a window or an aisle seat.
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:47 am

so here's my totally unscientific study of seat width in Y for 777 and A330/40 taken from seatguru. 777 first , then Airbus, all in inches

CX 17.5, 17.5
AF 18, 18
SQ 17.5. 0
UA 18, 0
US0, 17
AC 0, 17.2
AA 18.2, 0
BA 17.5, 0
DL 17, 0
LH 0, 17
NW 0, 17.5
KL 17.5, 0
SE 0, 17.7
VS 0, 17.5

and the average sees the 777 beating the Airbus by 17.65in to 17.425in!!! I;m sure most of the travelling public would notice that difference!

I flew UA 777, TG A330, 773 (with 10 abreast) and CX A343 and 773 last summer, I honestly couldn't tell the difference between seat width on any plane in Y, though pitch on UA E+ was great!

[Edited 2005-11-25 00:52:43]
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:09 am

I also had the joy of flying on an Air Transat A330 with 3-3-3. I am quite long and thin built and it still was a horrible experience (the seatpitch was lousy too). But what you pay is what you get at Air Transat  Wink
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:13 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 31):
and the average sees the 777 beating the Airbus by 17.65in to 17.425in!!! I;m sure most of the travelling public would notice that difference!

If you fly on Thomas Cook UK A330's you only get 16.25"! in a 3-3-3 configuration.
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:42 am

Doesn't Emirates have 3-4-3 on its 777-300's, but 9 across on the -200's? Are the -300's used more for high density/leisure routes? I saw one in Bangkok last year...that would fit.

2-4-2 and 2-3-2 certainly give the most aisle/window access, but after flying a lot of A-340's and 767's, DC-10's and 747's seem roomier. Higher ceiling, not as curved a fuselage, etc. And the KLM 2-4-3 on its MD-11's is interesting.
 
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RE: 2-4-3 In An A340?

Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:01 am

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 34):
Doesn't Emirates have 3-4-3 on its 777-300's, but 9 across on the -200's? Are the -300's used more for high density/leisure routes? I saw one in Bangkok last year...that would fit.

Unfortunately it's all 3-4-3 on EK's 777's.

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