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AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:24 am

I notice that the 762 on JFK/BDA is now on a 3-class 767-200, with business class (the former first class) sold as coach, and the new first class sold as business class.

When did that happen? Are all 762's now 3 class? Is this the really the "new" first class being sold as business class?

I also found it VERY surprising that coach passengers were not taking the former first class seats, now sold as coach!!!
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:26 am

AA's 762s have always been three class, have they not? They pretty much use them only between SFO/LAX and JFK where they have corporate and Hollywood contracts that require First on a three-class bird so they make boatloads of revenue.

AA's 763s have all been converted from three class to two class, with a stronger Business Class product then on the 762s. I don't think the cabins on the 762s have changed since delivery two decades ago.
 
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:26 am

AA's 762s have been in a 3 class configuration for years.......flying the JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO transcon services. The 762s, as you point out, also make apearanaces on the JFK-BDA routes and sometimes do a JFK-MIA turn, depending upon scheduling.

Concerning how the seats on the 762 are sold and allocated on the JFK-BDA run, I am not sure.....I am a bit confused by your statement, but it is possible that they sell the flights as a 2 class service and use the J class seats for additional coach capacity, I am not sure.
 
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:28 am

AA's 767-200s have, indeed, been FCY for a very long time (not sure about since 1982, or not, but definitely for at least the last fifteen years). They are sold as just FY on select flights like JFK-MIA and JFK-BDA, however, and only sold as FCY on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO (and occasionally LAX-BOS if the 762 appears on the route briefly or as a sub).
 
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:55 am

There are still 19 762 with 3 class service with AA. Mainly transcon service but sometimes used to cover shortage of airplanes in JFK or MIA. Whenever they are not used transcon they 2 class and use the J class seats as Y. Just like the 777 domestically.
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:58 am

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 4):
There are still 19 762 with 3 class service with AA.

Slight correction: AA currently has 16, not 19, 767-200s in active service, all based at JFK, as you said.
 
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:00 am

N*JETSA still shows 19
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:04 am

According to www.aa.com, 767-200 seating configuration shows three classes.

http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/ourPlanes/boeing767200DomInter.jhtml
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:06 am

Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter):
When did that happen?

20 years ago.

And the business seats are usually held for elites, though you can get lucky. All non-Flagship service will sell the business as coach, but there are flagship US domestic flights that are 3 class and sell it that way.
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:19 am

Since I flew BDA-JFK last Monday (Nov 28th) on an AA 767-200 on a coach ticket I can confirm that indeed the business class seats are sold as coach & the first class cabin is sold & referred to as business class on that flight. I was able to select the biz class cabin seat on aa.com because I'm currently gold status but I saw a few non gold folks getting assigned those seats at the airport as last minute gate assignments (they all had big smiles on their faces).

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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:54 am

i flew JFK-MIA on an AA 762 in July and the flight was sold as only two classes. Here's a pic of the business class section. registration was N325AA.



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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:42 pm

I was just on an AA 762 from JFK-LAX. They have 3 cabins. The first class has only two or three rows of the wide tan seats with an adjustable lamp and footrests. The biz class seats are much newer which is just as equivalent to an AA 763 biz class seat. Both are nice.

Coach (the cabin I flew in) has the new AA seats with the adjustable headrests and powerports. Overall, it was a very comfortable experience. I just wish AA would serve meals again on transcontinental flights.

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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting Vxg (Reply 9):
BDA-JFK



Quoting Msh744 (Reply 10):
JFK-MIA

Not 3 class routes, so sold as two class

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 11):
JFK-LAX

3 class route, so sold with three classes.
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:50 am

Something that surprised me was that they kept the -ER versionon the transcons instead of the "A"-version. I know that those are older aircraft and were phased out first, however the 762A can easily do the transcons and the -ER examples have a higher resale value, wasn´t this important for AA ? To me, this seems like a "waste" of aircraft. IMO they should have sold the ERs and have kept the A-versions until they´re ready for the scrapyard.
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:31 am

AA 762's are kept 3 class for Transcon flying and are sold 3 class on Transcon's. They will be around for a while since that is a competitive tool versus more majors switching to 757s on Transcon's. It is also the right size (not too big or too small) to offer multiple daily frequencies. When these 762s fly non-Transcon routes (MIA or BDA) those flights are sold as 2 class and usually when there are open seats in the Biz Class section those are given to AAdvantage Gold/Platinum or full fare Y or full fare Int'l conx paxs.
 
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 13):
Something that surprised me was that they kept the -ER versionon the transcons instead of the "A"-version. I know that those are older aircraft and were phased out first, however the 762A can easily do the transcons and the -ER examples have a higher resale value, wasn´t this important for AA ? To me, this seems like a "waste" of aircraft. IMO they should have sold the ERs and have kept the A-versions until they´re ready for the scrapyard.

Bascially everything that you mention is correct, but consider the following:

1. AA did park its 762 non-ER aircraft due to their age......AA was a launch customer for the 767 family and the parked aircraft were among the first off the line. Some (but not all) the 767-200ERs that are in service a several years newer and have more years of flying left.

2. The A-version 762s (to use your term) are already headed to the scrap yard.....more than 20 years old with a long history of intense service. I believe that the AA 762s were parked as they required heavy maintainance (think expensive maintainance) and upgrades to certain avionic systems....AA did not want to invest any further monies into the 762s

3. The second hand market for the 762 is rather weak......thus AA kept the best of it bunch of 767-200s (meaning the ERs) and simply assumed that there would be little interest in remarketing the aircraft (the old 762s could be worth more as parts than as a whole). That being said, DL did get lucky with its 762s from the same vintage (also early builds) and sold them off for freighter conversion.

4. The 762s will probably be the next type that will be retired from the AA fleet...as discussed many times, AA has kept the type since it is ideal for the transcon flights to which they are now assigned. Small enough to offer many frequencies per day (the 763 or 777 are too big if AA wants to keep frequencies on the transcons routes at this level), yet still the ability to offer 3 class widebody service which keeps AA's loyal transcon flyers very happy. AA has lots of business and premium traffic on the transcon routes (including the celebs and the bi-coastal crowd that commute weekly) and everyone seems happy with the 762s (even with their out-of-date interiors).....UA has done the PS757 thing, but thats another story. My guess is that AA will replace the 762 and the A300s with one type in the future, when finances permit a large aircraft order.
 
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RE: AA 762's Now 3 Class?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):

You are right, but there are a few things to consider:

1st: If you want to convert an aircraft into a freighter, wouldn´t you want a higher-range and MTOW version of the aircraft ? The 762ERF can be used on intercontinental routes, a capability the 762F("A"-version) hardly has.

2nd: Almost certainly avionic upgrades were also necessary for the ERs (eg. RVSM).

3rd: The 762ER used aircraft market is recovering a fair bit. Many new airlines are found and they want affordable longhaul aircraft, preferrably with a smaller capacity in order to not kill themselves on new routes. But yes, the CASM on the 762 is quite high.

And as basically no one wants passenger 762"As" nowadays, you only have 3 options:
1. Sell them off for freighter conversion.
2.Keep them for yourself if you can still make good use of it.
3. As AA did, let them scrap right away.

Very few, if any, 762ERs were scrapped to date, also popular as VIP aircraft in limited numbers.
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