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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:21 pm

I am posting this because the other thread has gotten too long. Also, breaking news has announced that a young boy was killed in the overun...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/08/chicago.airplane/index.html
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May the boy rest in peace.  Sad
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Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 1):
May the boy rest in peace.

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Horrible event so close to the holidays.
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does anyone else think that if the nose gear collapsed upon landing then the aircraft most likely would have stopped before crashing through the fence...??
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Pardon my ignorance, but could someone explain the difference between a stabilized and unstabilized approach? Also, what is the Southwest "Go" team?



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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:44 pm

an hour ago, CNN said that Midway has 8.3 inches of snow....

now what are the odds that this aircraft will be written off?

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:44 pm

Hearing about this little boy dying is horrible. Just one fatality and now its very sad.
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Quoting LFutia (Reply 5):
an hour ago, CNN said that Midway has 8.3 inches of snow....

It's still snowing. Local media is reporting that it could snow up to 10 inches. Chicago gets big snowstorms, but never early this year. It is truly astounding and sad what happened tonight here in Chicago.


The boy was six years old. Had two brothers including one infant. The parents are in serious condition. no information on infant. the other brother is in fair condiiton.

MDW is closed indefinetly.
 
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Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 186):
The Air France crash was very serious (I was on it, trust me). I still have nightmares/ flashbacks even today. I've lost everything and I still haven't flown yet. Quite a number of people got seriously injured, and contrary to news reports, I knew some who were on the verge of being paralyzed.

I am sorry to hear you were on the AirFrance flight. My thoughts go out to you. What I meant by that was that the US News stations like to jump on a pilot or someone long before the actual reason has been discovered. I did not mean it as not a real reason. Just saying the news always looks for the worst things first before letting the FAA or NSB do their job without people asking them things before the reason is giving out. The news likes to give out reasons and blame people before the real reason or person to blame is discovered. Once again sorry for what you went through. Did not mean to hurt you in anyway by that.

I am posting this again here only cause I want MDW22L31C to see it. Is all.


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Quoting Drewfly (Reply 4):
does anyone else think that if the nose gear collapsed upon landing then the aircraft most likely would have stopped before crashing through the fence...??

No I think it collapsed when it hit the wall or some kind of ditch near the wall. A person from the flight was reported on the news saying that when they landed it all seemed normal and then a few bumps then a crash noise just before they stopped.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:52 pm

Especially hard when hearing that the only fatality so far was a boy. Just horrible.
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Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 9):
Quoting Drewfly (Reply 4):
does anyone else think that if the nose gear collapsed upon landing then the aircraft most likely would have stopped before crashing through the fence...??

No I think it collapsed when it hit the wall or some kind of ditch near the wall. A person from the flight was reported on the news saying that when they landed it all seemed normal and then a few bumps then a crash noise just before they stopped.

Whoa I didn't say that.
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Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 8):
It's still snowing. Local media is reporting that it could snow up to 10 inches. Chicago gets big snowstorms, but never early this year.

It's that damn Global Warming again...
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Quoting LFutia (Reply 5):
now what are the odds that this aircraft will be written off?

It's a 73G; there should still be quite a bit of value in the airframe.

Anyone know when this particular one was delivered?

I'd say if the frame itself is intact, and the wingspar is intact, they may very well fix it. I *think* one of the engines broke away (one of the video clips shows a gap on the left wing) presumably when it impacted with a car.

And, of course, we have no idea what damage there is underneath. This plane hit a WALL (concrete reinforced with steel bars) before entering the street.

Who knows what that did to it ...

Remember, also - it's a plane that's still in production ... Boeing can bring in spare parts fairly easily.

Like the investigation, this will pretty much be a wait-and-see.

- litz

BTW - is there enough room at MDW for a Boeing "fix-it-on-the-spot" tent/portable hangar, or 737-sized local hangar space, to repair this plane?
 
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Quoting Drewfly (Reply 4):
Pardon my ignorance, but could someone explain the difference between a stabilized and unstabilized approach? Also, what is the Southwest "Go" team?



A stabilized approach is an approach where the airspeed and sink rate are, well, stabilized, without any major fluctuations. In an unstabilized approach, the pilot would be chasing the airspeed and navigation instruments, and would be altering the aircraft configuration (flaps, gear, etc) later in the approach than desired. This rushes things, and is a less methodical and consistant way to fly an approach.

The "Go-Team" is a group of folks from Flight Operations and the Flight Safety department. Immediately after an accident/incident, they grab big duffel bags containing accident investigation equipment and get to the scene asap to conduct their investigation.




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Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 8):
It's still snowing. Local media is reporting that it could snow up to 10 inches. Chicago gets big snowstorms, but never early this year. It is truly astounding and sad what happened tonight here in Chicago.

I dunno im from Chicago and for one i remember there being a snowstorm day before thanksgiving last year, and yes i mean snowstorm, like the worst thing you could imagine on the busiest travel day of the year, took me 1:45 to drive 15 miles... you get the point.

And ive seen snow storms many times in november, usually snow doesnt stay on the ground for more than a week, but it happens, and its that heavy wet snow that builds up and gets on everything. Doesnt sound like global warming or anything unusual, just the first big snow storm of the season as usual for Chicago.

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Quoting LFutia (Reply 5):
now what are the odds that this aircraft will be written off?

I work for a company that finances aircraft purchases (and now airlines them selves) and leases aircraft. If you noticed that the 737 was a 700 series with winglets and I will tell you that my company would not write off that new of a aircraft. Even with the landing gear collapsing and the plane skidding and the fact it had a fuel leak does not matter. The fact is that plane is to new and still in it's current condition is worth way to much money to write off.

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Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 12):
Whoa I didn't say that.

I am sorry. I miss read that. that is a hard one to say. It would depend on a lot of things. Depends on when it would collapse. But actually no I don't think it would make a difference cause you would have smooth metal sliding on the ice and snow So hard ti answer that one.
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Quoting Planespotting (Reply 3):
does anyone else think that if the nose gear collapsed upon landing then the aircraft most likely would have stopped before crashing through the fence...??

this is who i ment the quote for.
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From the original thread and continued here...

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 233):
Why? Seems pretty clear that the car in which the boy was killed ended up underneath the airplane. The firefighter in charge confirmed this on-air. How does that happen without a gear collapse? The gear collapse is what's directly responsible for the one fatality.

The fuselage doesn't have to end up on top of the car to cause a fatality. The 737's engines sit pretty low to the ground. And a 737 engine with a turbine spinning in order to generate maximum reverse thrust could cause a fair amount of damage to a car and its occupants, don't you think?
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Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 15):
I dunno im from Chicago and for one i remember there being a snowstorm day before thanksgiving last year, and yes i mean snowstorm, like the worst thing you could imagine on the busiest travel day of the year, took me 1:45 to drive 15 miles... you get the point.

And ive seen snow storms many times in november, usually snow doesnt stay on the ground for more than a week, but it happens, and its that heavy wet snow that builds up and gets on everything. Doesnt sound like global warming or anything unusual, just the first big snow storm of the season as usual for Chicago.

Yeah i agree. It just seems as if everyone here in the city was pretty much caught off guard by this storm. Usually the big ones come in January. It's not crazy what happened tonight, just very unusual. Also, CNN was reporting that the storm lingered over the lower great-lakes region for quite a while, towns and cities inbetween Chicago and Detroit were heavily hit as well.
 
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Quoting Litz (Reply 13):
It's a 73G; there should still be quite a bit of value in the airframe.

Anyone know when this particular one was delivered?

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Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 16):
I work for a company that finances aircraft purchases (and now airlines them selves) and leases aircraft. If you noticed that the 737 was a 700 series with winglets and I will to tell that my company would not write off that new of a aircraft. Even with the landing gear collapsing and the plane skidding and the fact it had a fuel leak does not matter. The fact is that plane is to new and still in it's current condition is worth way to much money to write off.

HP794, an Airbus 320, which had it's nose gear collapse here in PHX after landing and veering off the runway due to, among other things, an inoperable thrust reverser was written off. Now, that aircraft was 12 years old at the time but if I recall, it suffered some pressure hull damage in the forward area which included skin buckling and crush patterns.

I realize these are two different circumstances and the Airbus was an older aircraft (hence, parting it out may have been more lucrative than returning it to service); however, you have to assume this WN airplane suffered much more severe damage since it plowed through a concrete wall and collided with some vehicles. The HP hull write-off resulted from the aircraft simply veering off the runway and having it's nose gear collapse after going into a shallow ditch.
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Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 9):
Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 186):
The Air France crash was very serious (I was on it, trust me). I still have nightmares/ flashbacks even today. I've lost everything and I still haven't flown yet. Quite a number of people got seriously injured, and contrary to news reports, I knew some who were on the verge of being paralyzed.

I am sorry to hear you were on the AirFrance flight. My thoughts go out to you. What I meant by that was that the US News stations like to jump on a pilot or someone long before the actual reason has been discovered. I did not mean it as not a real reason. Just saying the news always looks for the worst things first before letting the FAA or NSB do their job without people asking them things before the reason is giving out. The news likes to give out reasons and blame people before the real reason or person to blame is discovered. Once again sorry for what you went through. Did not mean to hurt you in anyway by that.

I am posting this again here only cause I want MDW22L31C to see it. Is all.

Sorry again all I am still new to the site and learning the buttons. I meant this quote. To Eddieho. mdw I am sorry for the confusion. so eddie made the quote originally not mdw sorry all.
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How will the Daley Dynasty spin this in his plans to consolidate all of CHI aviation at ORD? hehe.  Smile.


No seriously, any thoughts?
 
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Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 23):
How will the Daley Dynasty spin this in his plans to consolidate all of CHI aviation at ORD? hehe. .


No seriously, any thoughts?

Probably not the right thread to discuss that topic...  Yeah sure
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Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 23):
How will the Daley Dynasty spin this in his plans to consolidate all of CHI aviation at ORD? hehe. .


No seriously, any thoughts?

Oh I bet he will try, but I don't think it will. I don't think ORD can hold the traffic of both airports. It just not an idea that will work without making life even more of a headache at ORD.
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Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 17):
this is who i ment the quote for.

i actually was insinuating that the landing gear collapsed at some poing after landing, most likely resulting from plowing through the fence. i see that you're new, so just take it easy when quoting things and reading stuff so far, haha.
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Feel really sad for the loss of life. I hope some of the news reports are wrong, differant ages for a deceased child, 8 years and 6 years.

Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 16):
I work for a company that finances aircraft purchases (and now airlines them selves) and leases aircraft. If you noticed that the 737 was a 700 series with winglets and I will tell you that my company would not write off that new of a aircraft. Even with the landing gear collapsing and the plane skidding and the fact it had a fuel leak does not matter. The fact is that plane is to new and still in it's current condition is worth way to much money to write off.

CNN reported that the aircraft went through a sound barrier wall and guard rail on the airport perimiter. I would be surprised if it remained in service.

Another report

Male reporter; “By all accounts the airplane ran off the end of the runway, through the fence and through the sound barrier.” (The sound barrier he was referring to is an acoustical/sound barrier fence.)

Female reporter; “The SOUND BARRIER, isn’t that really fast? Why were the pilots flying that fast on landing?”

Male reporter; Long pause, then he explained the difference.
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Quoting Zeke (Reply 28):
CNN reported that the aircraft went through a sound barrier wall and guard rail on the airport perimiter. I would be surprised if it remained in service.

Another report

Male reporter; “By all accounts the airplane ran off the end of the runway, through the fence and through the sound barrier.” (The sound barrier he was referring to is an acoustical/sound barrier fence.)

Female reporter; “The SOUND BARRIER, isn’t that really fast? Why were the pilots flying that fast on landing?”

Male reporter; Long pause, then he explained the difference

Consider the source... Clueless News Network.
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Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 30):
Consider the source... Clueless News Network.

Exactly! Now consider this, imagine all the issues that are fed to us on a daily basis that we're not as educated about as aviation! The best thing to do with the news is find out what happened (More or less) period. Details will rarely be accurate, unbiased, unspun, or just blatantly mis-reported.
 
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Quoting Planespotting (Reply 27):
Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 17):
this is who I meant the quote for.

I actually was insinuating that the landing gear collapsed at some poing after landing, most likely resulting from plowing through the fence. i see that you're new, so just take it easy when quoting things and reading stuff so far, haha.

No I got that. But you said if it had before it got to the fence/wall. And I am not sure it would have made a difference cause of the conditions at the airport. Is what I meant.
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Quoting Litz (Reply 13):
BTW - is there enough room at MDW for a Boeing "fix-it-on-the-spot" tent/portable hangar, or 737-sized local hangar space, to repair this plane?

Yes.

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Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 19):
Chicago and Detroit were heavily hit as well.

I live in Michigan exactly 2 hours from Chicago and Detroit, I'd say we got atleast 10 inches so far, if not more, and its still snowing.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 28):
CNN reported that the aircraft went through a sound barrier wall and guard rail on the airport perimiter. I would be surprised if it remained in service.

Don't be, its very common for a plane like this to be repaired, as has been said before, the plane is just around 1 year old and its a high demand aircraft so it therefore is still worth a considerable amount of money. In the end, we won't know until they conduct a full investigation of whats damaged on the aircraft and whether or not it would cost more to fix than replace.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I knew WN was kind of strapped for planes right now, they are not going to write-off an aircraft unless they absolutely must.

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Quoting Litz (Reply 13):

BTW - is there enough room at MDW for a Boeing "fix-it-on-the-spot" tent/portable hangar, or 737-sized local hangar space, to repair this plane?

WN has a full maintenance base at MDW with a number of hangers. I think they just bought one from ATA.

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Quoting Zeke (Reply 28):
I hope some of the news reports are wrong, differant ages for a deceased child, 8 years and 6 years.

Either way, a loss of life that young in an incident such as this is just tragic.

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At least there wasn't a gas station at the end of the runway...

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Quoting Zeke (Reply 28):
Male reporter; “By all accounts the airplane ran off the end of the runway, through the fence and through the sound barrier.” (The sound barrier he was referring to is an acoustical/sound barrier fence.)

Female reporter; “The SOUND BARRIER, isn’t that really fast? Why were the pilots flying that fast on landing?”

Male reporter; Long pause, then he explained the difference.

Why is it that that old Don Henley song "Dirty Laundry" just popped into my head..?

Note: To a few of you that have emailed to ask questions, sorry, but I'm not at liberty to discuss the event due to the NTSB protocols involved with the accident investigation process, as well as company policy (and simple common sense)..  

[Edited 2005-12-09 07:04:23]
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Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 21):
HP794, an Airbus 320, which had it's nose gear collapse here in PHX after landing and veering off the runway due to, among other things, an inoperable thrust reverser was written off. Now, that aircraft was 12 years old at the time but if I recall, it suffered some pressure hull damage in the forward area which included skin buckling and crush patterns.

I realize these are two different circumstances and the Airbus was an older aircraft (hence, parting it out may have been more lucrative than returning it to service); however, you have to assume this WN airplane suffered much more severe damage since it plowed through a concrete wall and collided with some vehicles. The HP hull write-off resulted from the aircraft simply veering off the runway and having it's nose gear collapse after going into a shallow ditch.

I am also replying to Zeke.

The first thing you have to look at is that the 737-700 Southwest bought was around 49 million depending on what type of deal Southwest got. I am just guessing that is was very favorable considering the amount of Boeing planes they are replacing with the newer 737NG. I know that the company I work for gets considerable mark downs from both Boeing and Airbus and we have never purchased as many planes as Southwest has in the last 5 years or they are going to in the next 8 years or so. Now another thing you have to look at is the fact that the Airbus you were talking was 12 years old at the time and the plane Southwest has is only 1 year and about 3 and a half months old and the type of materials used are different they have different types of repair methods now and how many hours did that Airbus have. Also they could part the plane out and recover almost all of its money but if they say invest half of the 49 million the plan cost (24,500,000) in repairing that plane it could last another 20 years and make them upwards of a billion dollars now that is on the high end of course. But from just what I have seen from what was on TV that plane more then likely will be fixed and returned to the air. Now Southwest may not be the ones fixing it and flying it anymore they may simple sell it to someone else say Saturday as is for most of what they bought it for. Still making it cheaper to buy the plane from Southwest and fix it on their own then buying it them selves. It could easily end up in Africa, poorer regions Asia or Eastern Europe. You would really be surprised by how much cheaper it is to fix something like this then buy a new aircraft and wait for delivery or leasing one for ten years.

[Edited 2005-12-09 07:18:24]
 
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my prayers go out to all tonight! it was snowing very bady here. it just started coming down hard. ORD was a complete mess! and im in T5
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That looks like significant structural failure. It looks unfortunately like WN will be short 1 73G. Not that it really matters. I am just really happy most of the people survived and just as upset that a child died
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:21 pm

I'm very sad to hear the loss of a young child. My thoughts and prayers are with his loved ones.

CNN Headline News ticker reported that the aircraft's fuselage is bent.

Often times when there is serious structural damage to the fuselage, the aircraft is written off.

I guess it'll become more clear once the investigations are done...
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Quoting Syncmaster (Reply 34):
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I knew WN was kind of strapped for planes right now, they are not going to write-off an aircraft unless they absolutely must.

SWA would probably, if they could manage it, take every 737 Boeing could make, as fast as Boeing could make them ...

Not only do they need airplanes, but I imagine they'd like to get rid of anything old (and therefore gas guzzling) they can, as fast as they can ... and to do that, you need fresh metal, in addition to what you need for expanded capacity.

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:23 pm

think the structural failure your refering to is snow build up. just a smashed nose and collapsed nose gear.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:24 pm

The empennage is also a little busted
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 39):
Why is it that that old Don Henley song "Dirty Laundry" just popped into my head..?

I was not suggesting the landed was too fast, just the female reporter could not associate the term "sound barrier" to an acoustical wall, rather aircraft speed.

Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 40):
You would really be surprised by how much cheaper it is to fix something like this then buy a new aircraft and wait for delivery or leasing one for ten years.

I dont know, when I heard the report they hit a wall, I assumed that the aircraft would buckle in compression along the fuse. I hope your right, hope the damage is not as extensive as it looks, the 737NG is a very safe airframe.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:33 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 47):
I dont know, when I heard the report they hit a wall, I assumed that the aircraft would buckle in compression along the fuse. I hope your right, hope the damage is not as extensive as it looks, the 737NG is a very safe airframe.

You also have to consider TV is always going to make it sound really bad because that equals higher TV ratings and sad as it sounds it is usually true and the fact some person died is just a plus for them.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 47):
I was not suggesting the landed was too fast, just the female reporter could not associate the term "sound barrier" to an acoustical wall, rather aircraft speed.

The reason I mentioned the song was this lyric, since the reporter sounded a little "bubble-headed" to not keep the "sound barrier" in the correct context:

We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you ’bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
It’s interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:42 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 42):
That looks like significant structural failure.



Quoting Babaero (Reply 45):
think the structural failure your refering to is snow build up. just a smashed nose and collapsed nose gear.

That picture looks like significant structural failure to the front portion of the aircraft. Just above the cockpit there are some clear structural lines that are jarred. I predict that this will be written-off.

All my prayers are with the family in that car.

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