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Scottiedog · Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 49):
Anyone know anything about the proposed Libyan Arab Airlines service MAN-TIP twice a week starting 2nd Feb, on thurs and sundays LN106 eta 1215 LN107 etd 1345?

Yes, I had heard the same, but nothing loaded yet into the schedules.

Another case of wait and see?

MANmatt · Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting ScottieDog (Reply 50):
Yes, I had heard the same, but nothing loaded yet into the schedules.

I tried searching for a website but cannot seem to find one. I would think a twice weekly service would do well, there is quite a few libyans in the manchester area.

MAAN · Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 39):
Will AA be operating the BOS next winter, too?

I believe so, although with the withdrawal of NCL-JFK, the AA management at MAN are apparently v. worried about losing both MAN-BOS and MAN-MIA, leaving them with just MAN-ORD (and resulting in staff being let go). As far as NCL goes, rather than "high fuel prices", the gentleman I was talking to about it blames DL flooding the European market with new routes (inc. MAN-JFK) post-chapter 11.

MAN-MIA is a three-month service before MAN-BOS returns. Its success this summer means that the best-case scenario for AA is that it becomes year-round, worst-case is that they lose it altogether. I expect somewhere in the middle!

[Edited 2006-01-01 22:34:28]

mhodgson · Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 51):
I tried searching for a website but cannot seem to find one. I would think a twice weekly service would do well, there is quite a few libyans in the manchester area.

Nothing on their website (www.ln.aero - IE only)

jetset7e7 · Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:10 am

Anyone know anything about this EI A330 flight coming into MAN:

Friday 20 January 2006

- A330 Aer Lingus EI 2208/2209 ETA11:00 ETD12:15

Mark

Billy · Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:30 am

The MAN - MIA is shaping up very badly - worse than last year. BOS seems secure though.

MANmatt · Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:31 am

Perhaps a football charter? United are at home to Liverpool on the sunday? EI usually have the odd football charter when there is a big game on.

matt

jetset7e7 · Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Billy (Reply 55):
The MAN - MIA is shaping up very badly - worse than last year. BOS seems secure though.

Why is it only 3x weekly? Last time it was 7x weekly. They should of done MIA 3x, BOX 4x on the other days, as I assume the slots are still there for AA.

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 56):
Perhaps a football charter? United are at home to Liverpool on the sunday? EI usually have the odd football charter when there is a big game on.

Yeah thats more than likely what it is

Mark

Humberside · Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:48 am

How likely are AA to make BOS all year round?

Concorde001 · Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:50 am

Out of interest, is AA's BOS flight reliant on connecting traffic or is it mainly O&D traffic?

MAAN · Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Billy (Reply 55):
The MAN - MIA is shaping up very badly - worse than last year. BOS seems secure though.

Indeed; I was told that apparently, the only reason it's coming in at all is AA's contract with the cruise lines that operate out of Florida.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 58):
How likely are AA to make BOS all year round?

In my own humble opinion, based on chatting to AA staff at MAN during work, fairly likely. It's had its quiet days but it seems more than capable of supporting itself.

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 59):
Out of interest, is AA's BOS flight reliant on connecting traffic or is it mainly O&D traffic?

It's not reliant on it; I'd say transferring passengers average about 20pax per day.

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 57):
Why is it only 3x weekly? Last time it was 7x weekly.

See above, simply not enough demand. In March it will increase to 4x weekly, I guess they feel the SAGA market grows enough around Easter for an extra one Wink

Billy · Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:07 am

BOS is a likely year-rounder. The MIA season has been cut and the cruise companies are not delivering for the flight. It is flakey to say the least. BOS continues to operate well and could be converted to 767.

MANmatt · Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting Billy (Reply 61):
BOS is a likely year-rounder.

I wouldn't be surprised to see BOS go year round at the end of this year, if not definitely by the end of next year. It was one of the most demanded routes that wasn't served by passengers at MAN before AA started the route a couple of years ago. Shame that MIA can't share the success.

Matt

jetset7e7 · Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:13 am

The MIA service used to be 7x weekly. Really hope BOS goes year round. Seems a good route for MAN.

As for an FCO route, heard rumours AZ may add it.

Mark

[Edited 2006-01-04 00:14:53]

HS748 · Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 63):
The MIA service used to be 7x daily

Wow, really Big grin

jetset7e7 · Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:26 am

yeh! I really don't know why I put that, nothing to back it up with! Ah well

Mark

gayrugbyman · Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:24 pm

Why are the summer scedules for BA at MAN on the AMOSS system still showing Rome, Pisa and Nice flights? Surely these are not going to be operating im Summer 06?

gayrugbyman · Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:33 pm

The BA 767 which plows the MAN-JFK route goes in for refurb this weekend....

Concorde001 · Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 67):
The BA 767 which plows the MAN-JFK route goes in for refurb this weekend....

Will G-BNWH be replaced by a 763 which has already been dusked?
I hope they give G-BNWH a good wash, preferably a new lick of paint too!

gayrugbyman · Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:45 pm

Yes it will be replaced by a London aircraft, tho do not know if it will be a 767/777/747...who knows with BA!

MANmatt · Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 67):
The BA 767 which plows the MAN-JFK route goes in for refurb this weekend....

Don't suppose there is any chance that since G-BNWH is being brought in line with most other 767s that it may remain down at LHR and MAN gets another 767 instead?

gayrugbyman · Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:19 am

There is some talk that they may be rotated.

What routes do BA use 767s on from LHR?

Candid76 · Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:20 am

Not hard to rotate them - just use the LHR shuttle!

Concorde001 · Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 71):
Don't suppose there is any chance that since G-BNWH is being brought in line with most other 767s that it may remain down at LHR and MAN gets another 767 instead?

If MAN gets another 763, I am sure it will be one of the new dusked aircraft. The other 763s are in Eurofleet configuration and I doubt BA would use them on a longhaul route!

jetset7e7 · Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 73):

It will be another 763, it will come up one morning on the LHR shuttle, and do the JFK outbound, when G-BNWH arrives it will operate the shuttle back down to LHR. It has been done many times before, when BNWH needed maintenance.
We had BNWU last time when BNWH went tech in JFK.

The other 763's done high density European routes from LHR I think.

Mark

planesarecool · Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:28 am

Not sure if its been mentioned, but Virgin Atlantic will be positioning a second B747 up to MAN for thursdays, fridays and saturdays from november, operating to St. Lucia on the thursday, then extra Orlando flights on the friday and saturday. There will be no Orlando flights on sunday, with the usual VS075 being replaced by a Barbados flight. So affectively, Orlando will be x8 weekly, Barbados and St. Lucia will be 1x weekly.

BAxMAN · Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:52 am

BA's MAN-JFK service could well revert back to BA Mainline so that it is less of a hassle to get a replacement plane when (inevitably) the flight goes tech. Citiexpress is getting thinner and thinner.

Concorde001 · Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 76):
BA's MAN-JFK service could well revert back to BA Mainline

I thought it was always operated by mainline? The aircraft and cockpit crew belong to BA mainline and the cabin crew are Manchester based. If you do the following format in Amadeus: >DOBA1502 or >DOBA1503 it no longer says 'Operated by British Airways CitiExpress'. Similary on ba.com, when you book MAN-JFK it says 'Operated by British Airways'. Had it been CitiExpress, ba.com would read 'Operated by BA CitiExpress. Service may differ from BA.'

Crosswind · Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 77):
I thought it was always operated by mainline?

You're right - MAN-JFK has always been BA mainline.

Some of the cabin crew are from CitiExpress (who formerly worked for BA Regional) and for a time BA advised passengers that the flight was "operated by CitiExpress" for that reason.

It seems that they've had a change of heart and (correctly) decided that having CitiExpress cabin crew doesn't mean in any legal sense that the flight is operated by CitiExpress. The flight is still operated on a British Airways aircraft, using British Airways pilots, on British Airways' AOC, conforming to British Airways' SOPs and using British Airways' licenses and route authorities - the CitiExpress cabin crews on the MAN-JFK flight will operate to BA mainline SOPs and regulations, as they are operating on a flight conducted under someone elses's AOC.

Regards
CROSSWIND

Concorde001 · Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:33 am

I have just noted on Amadeus that Delta's planned JFK-MAN service (to start in Spring) has no business class? Are they going to operate a 767 all in Y class? What will that mean for BA's MAN-JFK in terms of competition? As far as I can make out, BA have healthy loads in C on its service so there certainly is a market for C class - CO also operate to MAN with a C cabin.

Scottiedog · Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 79):
I have just noted on Amadeus that Delta's planned JFK-MAN service (to start in Spring) has no business class? Are they going to operate a 767 all in Y class? What will that mean for BA's MAN-JFK in terms of competition? As far as I can make out, BA have healthy loads in C on its service so there certainly is a market for C class - CO also operate to MAN with a C cabin.

Correct. As I am given to understand the situation, Delta are switch aircraft from the domestic to the international market. Until the aircraft can be reconfigured they will be sold as an all economy service.

Having said that, the AA service MAN/BOS is sold as all Y, but if you have a full fare ticket, or are a gold card holder etc, then they seat you in what was the domestic First class cabin, with the bigger seat.

Hope that answers your question. By the way, I assume that by the start of the winter programme it will be a 2 class service.

boysteve · Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 76):
BA's MAN-JFK service could well revert back to BA Mainline so that it is less of a hassle to get a replacement plane when (inevitably) the flight goes tech. Citiexpress is getting thinner and thinner.

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 78):
It seems that they've had a change of heart and (correctly) decided that having CitiExpress cabin crew doesn't mean in any legal sense that the flight is operated by CitiExpress. The flight is still operated on a British Airways aircraft

Indeed, the MAN-JFK flight uses the call sign 'Speedbird' and not 'British'

MAAN · Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 69):
tho do not know if it will be a 767/777/747...who knows with BA!

I imagine 767 as I believe the gates in T3 couldn't handle anything bigger yet.

Quoting ScottieDog (Reply 80):
the AA service MAN/BOS is sold as all Y, but if you have a full fare ticket, or are a gold card holder etc, then they seat you in what was the domestic First class cabin, with the bigger seat.

True. The bigger seats are also sold to anyone as "Premium Economy" at the *ahem* reasonable price of £100 each. It's rare that they have no takers.

Any chance of CO bringing back a 777 like the good "old" days?

[Edited 2006-01-06 18:47:37]

MAAN · Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:47 am

Sorry, connection problems led to me posting twice Sad

[Edited 2006-01-06 18:48:04]

MANmatt · Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:20 am

Can anyone comfirm whether or not the Air Wales services to Rennes are definitely going to operate? According to their website, the first service is planned for 27th March, 4 x weekly.

Matt

jetset7e7 · Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting MAAN (Reply 82):
I imagine 767 as I believe the gates in T3 couldn't handle anything bigger yet.

It will be an LHR 767, its be swapped around before, and the gates at T3 can handle 777/747 no problem.

Quoting MAAN (Reply 82):
Any chance of CO bringing back a 777 like the good "old" days?

Next summer its down as two 752's on the double daily CO20/21 and CO100/101 flights. Even though this summer when it was down as 762's they swapped it for 764's on some days. Maybe next winter it could be back to 777's, not sure.

Mark

highpeaklad · Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting MAAN (Reply 82):
I imagine 767 as I believe the gates in T3 couldn't handle anything bigger yet.

The old Islamabad flights used a 744 ,and they used T3

Chris

jetset7e7 · Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:34 am

G-BNWO is the 767 to replace G-BNWH on the JFK route:

From Ringwayreport.co.uk:
Sunday 8 January 2006
G-BNWO B763 British Airways BA 9180 STA 21:45

Monday 9 January 2006
G-BNWH B763 British Airways BA 1502/9181 STA 05:55 STD TBA Last G-BNWH JFK-MAN ops. To Gatwick for re-fit

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manchesteruk · Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:56 am

is the saudi 744 flight from hadj which arrived on the 1st of jan going to be a regular occurance?

Scottiedog · Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:55 pm

Quoting Manchesteruk (Reply 89):
is the Saudi 744 flight from hadj which arrived on the 1st of Jan going to be a regular occurrence?

It depends upon what you call a regular occurrence?

The Hadj is yearly, therefore it is a regular occurrence. Saudia have operated flights during this period for the last couple of years and hopefully will continue for the foreseeable future. All of the flights operate as charters - in the same way as the Yemeni ones.

gayrugbyman · Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:14 am

Are VS to announce a MAN to JFK service soon? It is apparently reported on another topic.

MANmatt · Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 90):
Are VS to announce a MAN to JFK service soon? It is apparently reported on another topic

As i said on the other thread, i really can't see this happening, especially with DL starting daily 764 ops on the route in may, and with BA and PK on the route and CO to EWR. I would think any expansion from VS is more likely to come from the totally leisure orientated routes like the recently started BGI service and the upcoming UVF service. Wouldn't be surprised if BD pull some more of ther routes and VS pick them up.

Matt

Demoose · Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:57 am

An update on passenger figures is that 22.1 million people passed through MAN during 2005, up 5.26% from 21 million the previous year.

On a side note, a Thomas Cook Airlines 757-200 (G-FCLG) performed an emergency landing on runway 24L today after returing to MAN a few hours after taking off for Banjul. After a fire service escort to the gate, the aircraft was then towed to the Monarch hangar.

Mark

[Edited 2006-01-09 19:58:24]

MANmatt · Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Demoose (Reply 92):
On a side note, a Thomas Cook Airlines 757-200 (G-FCLG) performed an emergency landing on runway 24L today after returing to MAN a few hours after taking off for Banjul. After a fire service escort to the gate, the aircraft was then towed to the Monarch hangar.

Yep, it was a bit a nightmare from work i heard from my colleagues over in T1 on the TCX team. The BJL flight returned after departure, the flight to FNC went tech at the gate, and the flight to VRA/HOG had to be de-boarded due the landing gear collapsing!

Matt

David_itl · Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:08 am

And now for some "interesting old news" - BE's BHD service started today: the inaugural service (BE181) has 62 pax on board I believe and the BE186 had 38 pax.

Anyone care to hazard a guess as to how RE is doing on the IOM sevice? Whenever I've gathered the pax figures for the RE858, it always seems very, very low - a day or two back there was precisely 1 passenger and tonight there's only 2! Euromanx cobbled together 21 for their last flight of the day

David

[Edited 2006-01-09 20:20:33]

Demoose · Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:10 am

TCX seemed to handle it relatively well, they had G-JMCF ready and waiting at the gate as a replacement for the BJL plane. I guess this is one reason why they diverted back into MAN rather than go to an alternate airport. It was in the MIRSI hold for around an hour, presumably burning up fuel, before it eventually landed.

Mark

Demoose · Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 94):
And now for some "interesting old news" - BE's BHD service started today: the inaugural service (BE181) has 62 pax on board I believe and the BE186 had 38 pax.

Gotta say I liked the balloons at the Flybe check in today! Big grin

Mark

MANmatt · Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 94):
BE's BHD service started today: the inaugural service (BE181) has 62 pax on board I believe and the BE186 had 38 pax.

Not a bad start then. I wonder how long it is before BA use this new service as an excuse to withdraw their Belfast services. Lufty also introduced a 4 daily DUS service today, and the morning ARN flight with SK came back aswell after a short break over the holiday period.

Matt

col · Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 97):
Not a bad start then. I wonder how long it is before BA use this new service as an excuse to withdraw their Belfast services.

Matt,

At least it may free up some slots for an airline to use more efficiently. After being in MAN the other day, it looks like BA could easily be finished off if the like of BE and Jet2 become serious. T3 looked deserted except for the Shuttle and AA flights. Why the BOS flight is not year round I do not know, just wish it was flown by someone other than AA, and those taped up 757's.

MAN growth for Dec was poor again .2%. Obviously BA stopping a lot of routes has not helped. MAN must surely look at the situation and pull the plug on the wasted slots BA is taking up.

Col

gayrugbyman · Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:56 am

BACitiexpres are to make some kind of announcement tomorrow on their future at MAN, so it says in another thread.

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