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dptMAN
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Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:18 am

So this is the continuation of the first Manchester thread with actual news disscusion. Any news why Air Wales seems to be launching out of MAN and why no schedules on the Air Wales Website? Very strange routes?
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David_itl
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:03 am

Air Wales has a strange reputation in the north west - they did try to operate a 2 weekdaily Do228 operation on the CWL-MAN route before giving it up quite quickly and they've had 2 bashes at CWL-LPL (with extensions at both ends) and not made that work! So I couldn't guess why they would want to operate, I presume, a more "touristy" route even they couldn't get domestic services to work.


Other bits and pieces - Belavia's service to Minsk looks like it will be returing in the summer - weekly on Mondays from Jun 4 to Aug 28 and I can't find Portugalia's service to LIS/OPO on Amadeus for the summer so they may be finally giving up the ghost after a few years of tinkering with the timings of the service with barely any beneficial results.
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 1):
Air Wales has a strange reputation in the north west - they did try to operate a 2 weekdaily Do228 operation on the CWL-MAN route before giving it up quite quickly and they've had 2 bashes at CWL-LPL (with extensions at both ends) and not made that work! So I couldn't guess why they would want to operate, I presume, a more "touristy" route even they couldn't get domestic services to work.

I hope that Air Southwest are able to make the CWL-MAN route work. There is definitely a market for the route and with a bit of marketing the route should become viable. I am hoping to use it soon to hop up to MAN to do some spotting.

Regards,
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:39 am

More news: ZB appear to have dropped both MAD and NAP, GT's operation looks like this: RAK 2 weekly, DBV 3 weekly, PFO 5 weekly, AGP daily, TFS 6 weekly, MLA 3 weekly and ACE 2 weekly, and OK are going back down to 13 weekly.
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:40 am

BA also operate to Las Palmas, don't forget!

Maybe NI are giving way to TP?
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 3):
More news: ZB appear to have dropped both MAD and NAP, GT's operation looks like this: RAK 2 weekly, DBV 3 weekly, PFO 5 weekly, AGP daily, TFS 6 weekly, MLA 3 weekly and ACE 2 weekly, and OK are going back down to 13 weekly.

ZB stopped both routes back in September lol Just because its quiet over the Winter season, they'll be starting up again for the summer though as far as I'm aware.
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:26 am

All the bumpf I've put up is reflecting operations with departures leaving MAN in July and arrivals returning in August! I'm sure I've read somewhere that the ZB Summer 06 offerings are now on sale. Forgot to mention AGP by ZB is showing as 17 weekly (10 A320s + 7 A321s).

GT not showing anything to LPA and I forgot about the 2 weekly HER service.
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:38 am

whats happening 2 T2
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:22 am

I'm happy to report my MON3838 flight is being operated by A300-600R.
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gayrugbyman
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:34 pm

Naples won;t be returning for ZB according to their ticket desk at Manchester...neither will Madrid but they say they do know about two yet unannounced routes...my bet is Lisbon and Heraklion!
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:17 am

One of ZB's new routes is Menorca, and as far as I'm aware I've been told by the ZB staff that MAD will be coming back, but im lookin forward to the new flights starting anyways
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:57 am

I flew MAN-MAD with ZB in October, very low loads but hey ho, more attentive service.

I can see them making more money with MAH really. Plus, it's a nicer place than PMI.
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:34 am

New route started today:

TCX406K/L MAN to RMF (Marsa Alam) which will operate every friday until the end of april on 757-200s.

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:04 pm

Since there was much discussion on the old thread (well some at least) about the Ryanair programme, I thought I would just mention that the website does now show 4 flights per day MAN/DUB.

Happy Christmas

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:05 am

Dunno if this has already been reported but it seems EK will go to 2x daily 77W on DXB-MAN from October 1st 2006.

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 1):
I can't find Portugalia's service to LIS/OPO on Amadeus for the summer so they may be finally giving up the ghost after a few years of tinkering with the timings of the service with barely any beneficial results.



Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 9):
Naples won;t be returning for ZB according to their ticket desk at Manchester...neither will Madrid but they say they do know about two yet unannounced routes...my bet is Lisbon and Heraklion!

If Portugalia are dropping their MAN serices, then who's to say ZB won't pick up the LIS route for the summer? Would fit in nicely with their current program.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 11):
I flew MAN-MAD with ZB in October, very low loads but hey ho, more attentive service.

Yeah, was a real shame about the loads on MAN-MAD Alex, (about 50 pax outbound and approx 80 pax inbound), the ZB service was excellent, but I suppose the lack of passengers helped the crew! Would have really liked to have seen this route work for ZB.
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dptMAN
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:07 am

As the New Year draws in, which new Roues will be launched in 2006?
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speedbird19
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:09 am

AZ are sending in an A321 tomorrow morning (coming in tonight) as far as I'm aware to accommodate for this evening's cancelled flight and tomorrow mornings flight. What a great afternoon it's been sorting that out...lol
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:08 pm

Quoting Speedbird19 (Reply 17):
AZ are sending in an A321 tomorrow morning (coming in tonight) as far as I'm aware to accommodate for this evening's cancelled flight and tomorrow mornings flight.

AZ cancelled a flight! Very surprising  Wink

I quite like their A321's, be great to see it at MAN more often.

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting DptMAN (Thread starter):
Any news why Air Wales seems to be launching out of MAN and why no schedules on the Air Wales Website? Very strange routes?
dptMAN

On the Air Wales website 4 x weekly service to Rennes in Brittany prices start £19.99 each way.
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:18 am

I have heard a runour from a very reliable source that there may be a new twice weekly servie to Latin America announced soon..! I wonder which carrier and where to..?!! Maybe LAN Chile MAN - MAD - Santiago, or Aerolineas MAN - MAD - Bunos Aire..? Or maybe Varig via Lisbon?
 
speedbird19
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 18):
Quoting Speedbird19 (Reply 17):
AZ are sending in an A321 tomorrow morning (coming in tonight) as far as I'm aware to accommodate for this evening's cancelled flight and tomorrow mornings flight.

AZ cancelled a flight! Very surprising

I quite like their A321's, be great to see it at MAN more often.

Adam

They sent the MD-82 instead, and we got the A319 this afternoon, all the E-170s are knackered up, it was due to land last night at 1730 and at 1650 they turned back for MXP...ah well!
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ba757
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Speedbird19 (Reply 21):
They sent the MD-82 instead, and we got the A319 this afternoon, all the E-170s are knackered up, it was due to land last night at 1730 and at 1650 they turned back for MXP...ah well!

They seem to have a lot of little problems with the E70 that results in things like this. Its a real shame as they are such nice little aircraft. I remember last summer the lady behind the AZ ticket desk moaning about the reliability of the MD80s and how she was sick of them canceling flights - seems nothing has changed with the E70.

In a way, I am kind of glad to be missing all the fun with AZ and flight cancellations on NYE when I go back, AF has to be a little more reliable.

Just out of curiosity, do you think AZ will send MAN the MD's again next summer, keep the E70's on it or maybe even send the A320/21? I looked on Amadeus and it shows it as an E145 - somehow I doubt it!

I would still like to see a AZ FCO service too.

Adam
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:33 am

ROTFL!!! E145...that would be worse than the E170!!! It's always full lol I think they'll swap and change between the 170 and the 319's, the MD82's are coming back for summer, and the morning departure time is changing from the 26th of March (on or around that date) so instead of an 0930 departure its going to an 0600 departure, which means more 0400 starts for moi lol and as for FCO, there might be something happening in the near future  Wink

[Edited 2005-12-27 23:35:42]
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 22):
Just out of curiosity, do you think AZ will send MAN the MD's again next summer

Don't know about next summer, but they are subbing for busted Embraers right now!
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ba757
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:40 am

Quoting Speedbird19 (Reply 23):
ROTFL!!! E145...that would be worse than the E170!!! It's always full lol I think they'll swap and change between the 170 and the 319's, the MD82's are coming back for summer, and the morning departure time is changing from the 26th of March (on or around that date) so instead of an 0930 departure its going to an 0600 departure, which means more 0400 starts for moi lol

Cheers!  Smile

An 0600 departure..! What a joke, me thinks I will have to use the afternoon flight from then on. I'll be buggered if I am spending all night in MAN - bad enough I have to do that this week!

Ciao
Adam
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 24):
Don't know about next summer, but they are subbing for busted Embraers right now!

Its fairly ironic how the unreliable MD's are subbing for unreliable E jets!

Adam
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:50 am

Well, I was on the 260 this afternoon, after the 170 went tech. Bundled onto a 319, then there was a 45 minute delay as the field went snow white and everyone queued for de-icing.

Arrived at MAN, no-one to meet the aircraft, waited 20 minutes onboard with no ground power until the bridge was connected and we disembarked with emergency lighting only, then waited a further 45 minutes for baggage to arrive, which incidentally turned out to be still in MXP.

What joy.

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:54 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 26):
Its fairly ironic how the unreliable MD's are subbing for unreliable E jets!

Adam

They only have 6 E170's, so if one gets a bit of a delay or goes tech down route they have to cancel it, but with 73 MD80's I think, they must have a few parked up in MXP or FCO to cover flights. I don't know why they just didn't stick with the A319, it worked nice and easy with that, sending in the odd A320/1 on the busier days.
Be good to have a EM4 on the route, love doing those, nice and easy, loved doing the Swiss one's but they have changed to RJ's and A319's now.

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 27):
Well, I was on the 260 this afternoon, after the 170 went tech. Bundled onto a 319, then there was a 45 minute delay as the field went snow white and everyone queued for de-icing.

Arrived at MAN, no-one to meet the aircraft, waited 20 minutes onboard with no ground power until the bridge was connected and we disembarked with emergency lighting only, then waited a further 45 minutes for baggage to arrive, which incidentally turned out to be still in MXP.

What joy.

 Smile Sounds familiar!

MXP is a problem airport for me, on the 23rd my baggage was loaded on a flight to GVA rather than MAN!! (Got that back Christmas day). Its funny my bags always go missing at MXP, always, I avoid checking bags like the plague when connecting there.

You have to love AZ though, I have this love hate relationship with them!

Adam
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 28):
Be good to have a EM4 on the route,

I checked Amadeus again. It must have been loaded in wrong last time I looked (which I suspected it probably was) and is now showing as a E70.

Adam
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:19 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 26):

Its fairly ironic how the unreliable MD's are subbing for unreliable E jets!

Even more ironic that the MD flight this morning also went tech... though it was fixed in about an hour. It lined up on the runway, spooled, and gave up! Taxied halfway down and returned to T2!
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:42 am

AA's MIA-MAN service has been renewed for the 2006-2007 winter timetable. Schedule:

Eff. 16Dec06:
AA 158 MIA 1825-0750 MAN 763 ThFrSaSu
AA 157 MAN 1115-1600 MIA 763 MoFrSaSu
a.
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:17 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 27):
Arrived at MAN, no-one to meet the aircraft, waited 20 minutes onboard with no ground power until the bridge was connected and we disembarked with emergency lighting only, then waited a further 45 minutes for baggage to arrive, which incidentally turned out to be still in MXP.

Ah what a surprise! AZ back of the queue in the crewing again, I work for Swissport ramp, and I can say that AZ doesn't get the full attention from our ramp staff. Why didn't the crew use the APU? I hate it when they wait for the Ground Power, and as for the bags, MXP is a bad airport for transferring baggage etc.

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:29 pm

Is G-PIDS still parked up without engines?
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Scottiedog
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:23 pm

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 33):
Ah what a surprise! AZ back of the queue in the crewing again, I work for Swissport ramp, and I can say that AZ doesn't get the full attention from our ramp staff. Why didn't the crew use the APU? I hate it when they wait for the Ground Power

Ouch!!

Now I can understand your comment with regards to the APU, but it seems pretty frightening when you say that AZ do not get the full attention from the ramp crew. Are you trying to say that they are paying for a lesser service, or that the crews only give what they want in the way of service rather then what the airline has paid for?

Either way I think your comment is rather damning of Swissport.
 
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:35 pm

All I can presume is that the APU was u/s, which would normally prompt the crew or AZ ops to request ground power @ destination. Whatever the case, we sat/stood/queued with no power for over 20 minutes. The Swissport girly claimed AZ hadn't sent a Dep. message. But don't handling agents still get 'Final' prompts from ATC @ MAN ?

I understand the comment about AZ being at the back of the queue for ground handling - the KLM from AMS landed 10 minutes after us, yet they had almost all cleared the baggage hall before our carousel had even started.

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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:27 am

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 36):
I understand the comment about AZ being at the back of the queue for ground handling - the KLM from AMS landed 10 minutes after us, yet they had almost all cleared the baggage hall before our carousel had even started.

KLM is handled by SAS/Ringway Handling, the delay was most likely due to the ground crew turning up late, as you mentioned.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 36):
But don't handling agents still get 'Final' prompts from ATC @ MAN ?

It would of come from Swissport operations, and most AZ arrivals do ask for GPU, so it was more than likely that the ground crew were without a GPU.

Mark
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 34):
Is G-PIDS still parked up without engines?

Yes its parked outside SR Technics with no engines

Mark
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gayrugbyman
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:31 am

Will AA be operating the BOS next winter, too?
 
speedbird19
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 31):

Even more ironic that the MD flight this morning also went tech... though it was fixed in about an hour. It lined up on the runway, spooled, and gave up! Taxied halfway down and returned to T2!

It didnt go tech, there was another reason why it came back, but it defo wasn't tech lol
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting Speedbird19 (Reply 40):

It didnt go tech, there was another reason why it came back, but it defo wasn't tech lol

Ah. 'Tech' seemed like the most logical explanation at the time! What was the problem?
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gayrugbyman
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:43 am

Heard a runour that owing to high sales, Jet2 are to go daily on the MAN FCO route...anyone know if this is true?
 
jetset7e7
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 41):
Ah. 'Tech' seemed like the most logical explanation at the time! What was the problem?

Heard it was something to do with a bag count. Thats all I can say

Mark
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gayrugbyman
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:45 am

MyTravel to start weekly flights to Brazil, Salvador I believe, starting this spring.
 
dptMAN
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:27 pm

Makes more sence to see LS launch daily on FCO, hope this is true.
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David_itl
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:31 pm

I've been looking at the VS schedules for next winter and it does seem that the planned UVF service is not at the expense of MCO as the "extra service" VS73/74 is now showing as being on sale for November on Thursdays (until 9th Nov), Fridays and Saturdays and I believe the latter two days are available in December. Having written that, there is no sign of the UVF service on the timetable.
 
gayrugbyman
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:39 am

MaybeVS are testing the water and if there are poor sales they will just bump pax on to BD..?
 
David_itl
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:19 am

Hope not - but I think we can safely wait a while for it to be loaded given that we're talking about the launch of a route 11 months away!

Anyway, just had a quick look at the quickest MAN-HKG operations for next year....going out on BA1710 to connect onto LH738 in FRA appears to be 2 hours quicker than our CX service! Even routing via LHR is saving at least an hour. For the return, AY appears to be quicker than CX by 90 minutes, with LHR connections being 40 minutes quicker. So....will passengers want to have the convenience of a same-plane operation or a get-there-quick operation?

David
 
MANmatt
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RE: Manchester News UK 2

Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:10 am

Anyone know anything about the proposed Libyan Arab Airlines service MAN-TIP twice a week starting 2nd Feb, on thurs and sundays LN106 eta 1215 LN107 etd 1345?

matt p.s Happy new year to all.

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