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Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:15 am

A Southwest Airlines jet was forced to make an emergency landing at O'Hare Airport after colliding with a bird during takeoff from Midway.
Flight 111 was on its way to Philadelphia when a bird was apparently sucked into one of the 737's engines, causing it to shut down. Southwest officials say they decided to send the plane to O'Hare because it was a full flight and needed a longer runway.

The plane landed without incident. No one was hurt. A second Southwest Airlines jet was sent to O'Hare to take the stranded passengers on to Philadelphia.

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:32 am

An inop engine on a 737 involves landing at flaps-15, and ORD has longer runways than does MDW.

Did anyone notice something else?

An irregular, non-routine event occurred, the crew did as they were trained and handled it professionally, and they were safely on the ground at ORD before the media ever had time to get a helicopter airborne. A non-routine event was handled as it were routine, and without the media turning it into a disaster-movie-of-the-week. Amazing!

Next week: Atlanta city bus has flat tire during morning rush hour--CNN and 3 other stations have orbiting helicopters with LIVE coverage! Whee!
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:34 am

I am surprised they did not circle for fuel. Regardless at MDW or ORD.

Glad they made it safely.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):

An irregular, non-routine event occurred, the crew did as they were trained and handled it professionally, and they were safely on the ground at ORD before the media ever had time to get a helicopter airborne. A non-routine event was handled as it were routine, and without the media turning it into a disaster-movie-of-the-week. Amazing!

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
I am surprised they did not circle for fuel. Regardless at MDW or ORD

Possible that the fuel onboard for the flight to PHL was not so great as to need a long burnoff. Also, aren't the safety regs different for engine out? I would imagine with engine out you'd be required to land as soon as it was safe, even if that was over MLW...(i assume there's a margin of safety over MLW)
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:51 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 4):
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
I am surprised they did not circle for fuel. Regardless at MDW or ORD

Possible that the fuel onboard for the flight to PHL was not so great as to need a long burnoff. Also, aren't the safety regs different for engine out? I would imagine with engine out you'd be required to land as soon as it was safe, even if that was over MLW...(i assume there's a margin of safety over MLW)

Plus, wouldn't it take twice as long to shead those pounds with only one burning?
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:56 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 4):
I would imagine with engine out you'd be required to land as soon as it was safe

121.565, for a twin, land at the nearest suitable airport in point-of-time...

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 4):
Possible that the fuel onboard for the flight to PHL was not so great as to need a long burnoff.

Assuming it was a -700, max takeoff for them is 154,500, but max landing is 128,000. Assuming about a 6,000 MDW-PHL burn, they'd have been limited to about 134,000 out of MDW (landing weight-limited) so they were not that much over. A moot point, since in an emergency you can land all the way up to 154,500 if you have to. With an engine shutdown, MLW is a secondary issue here.

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
and they were safely on the ground at ORD before the media ever had time to get a helicopter airborne.

The helicopter was #21 for takeoff at ORD behind 18 CRJ's... it never stood a chance, lol.

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
and they were safely on the ground at ORD before the media ever had time to get a helicopter airborne.

The helicopter was #21 for takeoff at ORD behind 18 CRJ's... it never stood a chance, lol.

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:51 am

Tornado: Thanks, that cracked me up!

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
The helicopter was #21 for takeoff at ORD behind 18 CRJ's... it never stood a chance, lol.

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Lucianflyboy (Reply 13):
It's amazing that a seal could break off a beverage cart and a chopper will be there with LIVE reports! Such is the times we live in.

You know, you wonder how the media would react if one of their news vans or satellite trucks had a flat tire somewhere, and suddenly helicopters from rival stations showed up transmitting live coverage of their "mishap" to everyone. You think they'd then "get it"? Probably not...
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:58 am

Two WN planes at ORD in one day. I hope they scrubbed down the runway. Big grin

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:02 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 16):
Two WN planes at ORD in one day. I hope they scrubbed down the runway.

Not to worry, both aircraft had the ORD-ness washed off as soon as possible...  Wink

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 16):
Are airlines charged any fees for emergency landings?

Normal landing fees, as far as I know, and that's it...
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:11 am




Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 17):

Not to worry, both aircraft had the ORD-ness washed off as soon as possible...



Had it been DFW, current policy is to just write off the airplane, right? I don't think anything would get their crap off.

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:18 am

Looks like it made it to SW Michigan before turning back:

http://map3.flightaware.com/flight_t...a6f79e7cfc4c8;height=600;width=800
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:10 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
A non-routine event was handled as it were routine, and without the media turning it into a disaster-movie-of-the-week. Amazing!

Yeah, but tonight is a slow news cycle. Watch out!  Smile
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:25 am

This must be hard times for Southwest...
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:28 am

Any word on the condition of the bird?
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting Edelag (Reply 23):
This must be hard times for Southwest...

How do you figure? Birdstrikes (along with blown tires, and other similar items) are not exactly uncommon events, for any airline...
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:53 am




Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 24):
Any word on the condition of the bird?



Currently in intensive care. The media will be airing an interview with his family tomorrow evening.




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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:07 am

There's an old Far Side cartoon that shows a bird television reporter, complete with microphone, reporting live from the scene of an airliner crash. The smoking, burning airliner is visible in the background behind the reporter. The bird reporter was saying "Details are still sketchy, but we believe the name of the bird sucked into the jet's engines is Harold Meeker."
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:13 am

Excellent!..........................
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:17 am

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 29):
Excellent!..........................

You gotta love Gary Larson..

The best one I remeber was a cockpit shot with the F/O saying.. " Hey, what's that Goat doing up here in the clouds...?"
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:08 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 31):
2H4 <----big Far Side fan

Me too. My personal favorites are:

1/ The one where the captain is making a PA saying "we have a red light on up here in the cockpit and darn if it's not the big one" and he's goy this HUGE red light the size of the FE's panel...

2/ The one where the crew makes a PA warning of turbulence ahead, and then they proceed to yank and bank causing the rough ride themselves, laugh amongst themselves, and then do it over again...
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:14 pm



In my 20 or so years of following the Far Side, I've just now discovered one I've never seen:










...Now what was it we were discussing?




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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:04 pm

It's not a non-event if you are on the plane. Striking a bird makes a helluva STINK!

We diverted to IND on TZ afterwards. The engine kept running and we had no problems. Just got chased by some firemen at IND. Schmacked up the nose gear, leading edge and went through the engine.

I hope the plane is still there tomorrow. I wanna see WN metal at ORD.

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:46 pm

The title of this thread almost makes it sound like a WN plane got sucked into an engine. I have this image of a 737 getting sucked into a GE90 engine.
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 35):
I have this image of a 737 getting sucked into a GE90 engine

Now that would be a sight to see

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 26):

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 24):
Any word on the condition of the bird?



Currently in intensive care. The media will be airing an interview with his family tomorrow evening.

Best of wishes to the unfortunate bird and it's family.

Just curious if the bird's insurance carrier is going to reimburse WN for the cost of the engine repairs or is this one on WN, I guess it depends as to who had the right of way. If I was the bird, I would have yielded to the departing 737 in front of me.  Wink
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:01 pm




Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 36):
Just curious if the bird's insurance carrier is going to reimburse WN for the cost of the engine repairs



Unfortunately, a lawsuit claiming five counts of violations of FARs and airspace regulation has been entered by the bird's family in the United States District Court against WN, Boeing, and the FAA.

The attorney representing the bird's family has cited gross negligence on the part of the aircraft's TCAS manufacturer, faulty collision avoidance procedures on the part of WN, and insufficient VFR flyway corridors on the part of the FAA.

The attorney is also investigating possible litigation against NATCA for refusing to acknowledge the bird's continued squawks immediately before the accident.

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Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:17 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 37):

Unfortunately, a lawsuit claiming five counts of violations of FARs and airspace regulation has been entered by the bird's family in the United States District Court against WN, Boeing, and the FAA.

The attorney representing the bird's family has cited gross negligence on the part of the aircraft's TCAS manufacturer, faulty collision avoidance procedures on the part of WN, and insufficient VFR flyway corridors on the part of the FAA.

The attorney is also investigating possible litigation against NATCA for refusing to acknowledge the bird's continued squawks immediately before the accident.

A lawyer getting involved, who would have figured.
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
I am surprised they did not circle for fuel.

Yup, surprised there weren't 15 posts discussing dumping or burning of fuel.   

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
and they were safely on the ground at ORD before the media ever had time to get a helicopter airborne.

The helicopter was #21 for takeoff at ORD behind 18 CRJ's... it never stood a chance, lol.

  

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
Assuming it was a -700, max takeoff for them is 154,500, but max landing is 128,000. Assuming about a 6,000 MDW-PHL burn, they'd have been limited to about 134,000 out of MDW (landing weight-limited) so they were not that much over. A moot point, since in an emergency you can land all the way up to 154,500 if you have to. With an engine shutdown, MLW is a secondary issue here.

Thanks for this . . . always count on you for the straight answers.   

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:59 am

I believe that that was not a -700. AC which I saw by Air Wisconsin hangar did not have winglets. IIRC nose number was 363SW
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:50 am

A quick question here...

Did they offload the passangers at ORD, and if so, what gate would they use??

Also, where did they decide to put the plane?
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:02 am

Quoting Manta (Reply 46):
Also, where did they decide to put the plane?

As best as I can tell from a posting on another board, they borrowed a hangar from someone there at ORD and trucked a new engine over from MDW. SWA MX folks are changing it now, and I'd guess it'd be done sometime today.
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 15):
You know, you wonder how the media would react if one of their news vans or satellite trucks had a flat tire somewhere, and suddenly helicopters from rival stations showed up transmitting live coverage of their "mishap" to everyone. You think they'd then "get it"? Probably not...

Actually there was that time during the fires in California 2-3 years ago when one live van got two close to the flames and the whole thing went up in a ball of flames. If I remember correctly, every network showed it. I want to say it was an NBC station (and I was working for an NBC station at the time and we ran it) but I seem to remember seeing it on a Fox newscast as well.
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 47):
SWA MX folks are changing it now, and I'd guess it'd be done sometime today.

So does anyone have any information on a departure date / time for the aircraft?? This would be interesting to see a SWA airplane leaving ORD.

Wonder if they are going to offer tickets for ORD to MDW service  Wink
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting Manta (Reply 50):
So does anyone have any information on a departure date / time for the aircraft?? This would be interesting to see a SWA airplane leaving ORD.

I'd guess today sometime. Look at flightaware for an 8000-series flight number...

Quoting Manta (Reply 50):
Wonder if they are going to offer tickets for ORD to MDW service

If we did, our prices would beat the other guy's...  duck 

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:58 am

Does anyone know which rwy it came in on? Does ATC automatically use the longest rwy (14R/32L in this case) in emergencies? (assuming the winds are close of course)

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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:24 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
You know, you wonder how the media would react if one of their news vans or satellite trucks had a flat tire somewhere, and suddenly helicopters from rival stations showed up transmitting live coverage of their "mishap" to everyone. You think they'd then "get it"? Probably not...

Nah, never happen... then the rival stations would have to acknowledge the existence of their competitors, which is usually against station policy.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 18):
Quoting Edelag (Reply 23):
This must be hard times for Southwest...

How do you figure? Birdstrikes (along with blown tires, and other similar items) are not exactly uncommon events, for any airline...

Yes but just in the past 24 hours there has been a bomb threat in Phoenix and a light-pole-strike in San Diego. Both Southwest. Somebody at WN broke a mirror recently...
 
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:36 pm




Quoting Vatveng (Reply 40):

Yes but just in the past 24 hours there has been a bomb threat in Phoenix and a light-pole-strike in San Diego. Both Southwest. Somebody at WN broke a mirror recently...



Given the vast number of daily WN flights, I bet the actual incident rate is comparable to most other airlines. It would be interesting to see the actual numbers.




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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:41 pm

The only thing that has changed over the years regarding incidents in airplanes is one little item....A CELL PHONE.

Paxs love to call and get the media hoppin to the scene. All you need is an angry pax with a cell phone and you have an exclusive.
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RE: Southwest (WN) Bird Sucked Into Engine At MDW/ORD

Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting Vatveng (Reply 40):
Yes but just in the past 24 hours there has been a bomb threat in Phoenix and a light-pole-strike in San Diego. Both Southwest. Somebody at WN broke a mirror recently...

The Bomb threat could happen at any airport and affect any group of airlines at any time...

As for the others, well, incidents tend to come in groups, it will quiet down again in a few weeks and the media will have to find another airline to follow around with their vans and helicopters.
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