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Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:46 am

Hello everyone,

I was wondering a few things about aviation and the Chatham Islands in NZ.
Currently the only operator to the islands is Air Chathams who fly Convair 580's if I am not mistaken. Does anybody know how many they fly? Also, would Air Chathams ever be merged into the Air NZ *link* brand? Would NZ ever fly to the islands, even seasonally? Maybe with Beech 1900D's? Will Air Chathams be replacing their old Convair's with newer aircraft? And also, how long does it take to fly to the islands from mainland NZ?

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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:51 am

I guess maybe you've seen this?:

http://www.airchathams.com/

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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 1):
I guess maybe you've seen this?:

http://www.airchathams.com/

Oh thanks. Their fares are fairly expensive - $324 one way for their cheapest fare! Do they provide meals onboard? After reading the top of the page I take it they operate 2 aircraft? - the convair and the metroliner?
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
Do they provide meals onboard?

Sorry, can't help. I last went to the Chathams in 1971 on an old Bristol freighter - 170, I think - that was mostly freight. We got a sort of picnic lunch, then.

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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:24 am

Hi

Chatham Island has a very small population, so they dont require a lot of air traffic
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:23 pm

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 4):
Chatham Island has a very small population, so they dont require a lot of air traffic

They require freight traffic to get all of their supplies to the island. It is better to get them their by air as the seas between mainland NZ and the Chathams are very rough. I just thought that with NZ's newer aircraft the flight time could be reduced......therefore why not merge Air Chathams into the NZ link brand so Air Chathams can take advantage of NZ's newer aircrafts. Also, if the Chathams were connected with Air NZ their might be better publicity of the Chathams as a tourist destination and it would look easier to get there aswell?
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:35 pm

Part of the problem is that there is no real tourist infrastructure. There's one hotel and a couple of guest houses:

http://www.pukekohetravel.co.nz/Tour.aspx?PageID=18

I agree that if there was more transport there might be more tourism, but the islands are not high on my list of paces to go back to.

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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:51 pm

The Convair suits Air Chats. perfectly (and they aint to slow either, comparable with the Link aircraft).
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:44 pm

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 7):
The Convair suits Air Chats. perfectly (and they aint to slow either, comparable with the Link aircraft).

How fast do they go compared to the NZ link aircraft? The NZ Beech 1900D aircraft can fly 510 kms an hour. The new Bombaridier Q300's fly 520 kms an hour. How many passenger seats are on the convair 580? Aren't they a bit noisy? How long does it currently take to fly to the Chatham Islands? Also, just out of curiosity, where do passengers check in for the Air Chatham flights? Can they check in at the NZ 'express check' counters? I hope that something happens, even if it just a codeshare agreement, to help publicise the islands better and to make it easier to access than currently.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:44 pm

Hi

Do we need Visa/ Special Permit to visit chathms?
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:47 pm

It takes abou an hour and a half to 2 hours from AKL I think - range may come into it for that flight, especially as it is over water the whole way. To be honest I'd feel a heap safer in a tried & true Convair than a poxy 1900D.

The Convair is perfect because it can be all cargo, or all pax, or some of both with no effort at all. I love the old girls. They're brilliant.
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 9):
Do we need Visa/ Special Permit to visit chathms?

No, just like domestic travel. It's fully part of NZ.. Just that they may have a restriction of people per year which I doubt would happen.
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):
No, just like domestic travel. It's fully part of NZ.

Where abouts do you check in at the airports? - which counter/area in AKL domestic terminal?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):
Just that they may have a restriction of people per year

Is this because the islands cannot cope with demand?

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 10):
It takes abou an hour and a half to 2 hours from AKL I think - range may come into it for that flight, especially as it is over water the whole way. To be honest I'd feel a heap safer in a tried & true Convair than a poxy 1900D.

How old is the convair?
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:13 pm

Air Chathams are not part of NZ Link, but when I went NZ provided handling at WLG

As others have said the Convair is ideal for the Chathams because freight is more important than passengers. When I went on it a couple of years ago from WLG there were 12 passengers, half of whom were government officials. Coming back I was the only passenger who wasn't a high school student returning to boarding school. There were no tourists aboard in either direction. Outbound the rest of the plane was full of mainly engineering spares for fishing vessels, plus a lot of foodstuffs. Returning to the mainland the freight was primarily fish products.

There is a small 'container' vessel that runs to the islands from Napier - it carries 4 containers, and that carries the bulk of non-urgent or non-perishable freight.

Incidentally the Allison engined Convairs have discovered a home in NZ in recent years. There are three operators - the overnight courier services, an air tours operator, and Air Chathams. The whole operation is a delight, probably only matched globally by some of the Alaskan back country operators. There is a genuine feel of going to the outer limits of the world in the long over water flight and the arrival at a bleak but hauntingly beautiful airfield with minimal facilities. Despite all this there is no sense of anything but an efficient, highly professional - and intensely proud - operation.

If you are thinking of going there as a tourist you will like eating fish and drinking lots of beer. You will be wanting to extend your vocabulary of foul language, and you will enjoy getting wet with both salt and fresh water. You will not be a person who expects to get reliable and polite service - or to find much in the way of services at all. You will be good at pool and/or darts, but you won't want to be good enough to beat the locals until the night before you leave. I recommend that you take heavy ocean going waterproofs, at least three books with more than 800 pages each, and that you leave all networked electronic and telecommunications devices at home.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:49 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
How old is the convair?

Air Chathams have four currently.
ZK-CIB Convair 580 built 1956 40 pax/Combi
ZK-CID Convair 580 built 1956 (All freighter)
ZK-CIE Convair 580 built 1958 40 pax/Combi
ZK-CIF Convair 580 (recently added)


Incidently here are the other Convairs present in NZ currently.

AirFreight
ZK-FTA Convair 580 built 1954
ZK-KFH Convair 580 built 1953
ZK-KFJ Convair 580 built1953
ZK-KFL Convair 580 built 1956
ZK-KFS Convair 5800 built 1956

Pionair
ZK-KSA Convair 580 built 1958 38 pax
ZK-PAL Convair 580 built 1958 43 Pax
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:15 pm

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 13):
Air Chathams are not part of NZ Link, but when I went NZ provided handling at WLG

How long did your flight take? Is there a boarding school on the Chatham Islands! So you checked in at NZ counters for your flight?

btw, Happy new year from here in NZ to everyone......we're already in 2006!
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:45 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
Happy new year from here in NZ to everyone......we're already in 2006!

Happy new year from NZ to all !! I was at AKL airport at the new year and was looking at an ANZ A320, Quantas B767 and a SQ 777. SQ777 was the last to land in AKL for the year 2005.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:50 am

1hr. 45 mins from WLG on the Convair.

No - it's the other way round. There is no high school on the Chathams, so all the kids there board off-islands.

Yes, I checked in at Air NZ. By the way I was on the Combi ZK-CIB in both directions.

I note Aerorob's list of 4 - to serve a community of less than a thousand people! But he might know what I suspect - that Air Chathams now do quite a lot of charter work. I keep on seeing them in unexpected places like IVC these days.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:12 am

How much longer do you think Air Chathams will be able or want to keep the convairs?
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
Is this because the islands cannot cope with demand?

That too, but I think it's also to preserve the land. I'm pretty sure you know how big this island is.. Just like DoC does with some of the tramping tracks they run.. Limit the people so it won't wear away as much and others can enjoy it over a longer period of time instead of it being trashed in one year leaving no one happy.

Happy New Year to everyone!

PS. In regards to this, does the Chatham Islands have daylight saving to make it 30 mins ahead of the mainland? If so, many would have tried to flock to the Chathams to be the first to see the new millennium a few years back.. If there were no restrictions, that would have been the place instead of Gisborne.
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
PS. In regards to this, does the Chatham Islands have daylight saving to make it 30 mins ahead of the mainland? If so, many would have tried to flock to the Chathams to be the first to see the new millennium a few years back.. If there were no restrictions, that would have been the place instead of Gisborne

From what I believe the Chatham Islands are 45 minutes ahead of the mainland, so infact they were the first place to see in the new year.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:25 am

As I recall there were quite a number of bizjets at the Chathams on 31/12/99, but a number of others that were expected never arrived once their owners got wind of the nature of the available accommodation.

I'm not sure if it is still the case, but it used to be that the Chathams airfield had a reasonably regular bizjet visitor in the form of one of the Avon Gulfstreams! I used to know the Chathams Avon lady. They used to give her and her family a scenic flight.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 17):
that Air Chathams now do quite a lot of charter work.

The freighter is quite often in Auckland with the other Convairs of AirFreight. I sometimes wonder if it is based here at times because it will sit there for days.
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:36 am

I would love to live in such a place and work for such an operation. I have many fond memories of the 580's. They used to be as common here in PIT as the RJ's and 737's are now. Thanks for the info, another locale for my wish list.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:54 am

Wow! That is a very expensive tix for such a short ride.

I would have considered flying in that Convair, but the price has taken all my will to do it.

There is also a Convair 580 service between Ensenada and Isla Cedros (in Baja California, Mexico) which I also tried to take. But fares were ludicrous: US$250 for one-way!!!!!

I guess my dreams to fly a Convair will keep being just dreams.

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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:13 am

I would really love to fly the other CV (=IATA code of both Cargolux and Air Chathams). So whenever I should visit New Zealand, a flight on the Convairs is on my list  Smile
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 14):
ZK-KFS Convair 5800 built 1956

Was originally built in 1956, but was pretty much rebuilt in 2000 by Kelowna Flightcraft when it was converted to a 5800. The aircraft is basically considered new once converted to the 5800 standard, all new wiring, plumbing, EFIS cockpit, engines, complete overhaul on all the parts and flight controls, and a 14 foot stretch to the fuselage.

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 24):
I guess my dreams to fly a Convair will keep being just dreams

Come to British Columbia in the summer time, you will see passenger Convairs Flying to the Fishing Lodges on the Queen Charlotte Islands, Cargo Convairs flying out of YVR, and If you lucky enough you can see a 580 air tanker in action dropping retardant on a forest fire.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 9):
Do we need Visa/ Special Permit to visit chathms?

No as its a domestic flight

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
Quoting Rongotai (Reply 13):
Air Chathams are not part of NZ Link, but when I went NZ provided handling at WLG

How long did your flight take? Is there a boarding school on the Chatham Islands! So you checked in at NZ counters for your flight?

AT WLG, you check in for Air Chatams at either gate 4 or 5. That is where the NZ Link 1900Ds, Sounds air, Air2there.com and the other Regional Airlines depart from

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 14):
ZK-CIF Convair 580 (recently added

When I was at Palmerston North a while ago it was still parked there, from after its delivery flight, close to a year ago
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:53 am

777ER said 'No as its a domestic flight', regarding special permits.

However, as you can see on the Chathams tourist web site, they won't sell you a ticket if you don't have evidence of accommodation booked on the islands. There have been problems in the past with people arriving without any arrangements. Going there is really like going on board a closed eco-system like a space ship. It would only take, say, 20 happy backpackers arriving unexpectedly to completely screw up the infrastructure and supplies. The whole social structure of the islands would break down if all the backpackers were beer drinkers.

There have been occasions when the plane has arrived, and the outbound flight has been weather delayed. Even with only a half dozen or so unexpected overnighters this often means billeting passengers with local families.

You will also note from the list of places to stay on the web site that the tourist carrying capacity is under 100 - which even then represents 10% of the resident population. To put this in perspective imagine if there were 4 million tourists in Spain ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:16 pm

NZ should code share with Air Chathams. I would of thought just having it on the NZ route map (website etc) would boost the market especially for foreigners.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:31 pm

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 14):
Air Chathams have four currently.
ZK-CIB Convair 580 built 1956 40 pax/Combi
ZK-CID Convair 580 built 1956 (All freighter)
ZK-CIE Convair 580 built 1958 40 pax/Combi
ZK-CIF Convair 580 (recently added)


Incidently here are the other Convairs present in NZ currently.

AirFreight
ZK-FTA Convair 580 built 1954
ZK-KFH Convair 580 built 1953
ZK-KFJ Convair 580 built1953
ZK-KFL Convair 580 built 1956
ZK-KFS Convair 5800 built 1956

Pionair
ZK-KSA Convair 580 built 1958 38 pax
ZK-PAL Convair 580 built 1958 43 Pax

Good God...every one of them is older than me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:34 pm

I recall a message Air NZ sales got one day

"This is to advise you that Air Chathams will be closed and not operating flights today due to a funeral".

The funeral wasn't one of their staff - just a Chatham Islands resident! Big grin
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 30):
NZ should code share with Air Chathams. I would of thought just having it on the NZ route map (website etc) would boost the market especially for foreigners.

Exactly what I thought! Show foreingers that it is easy to book flights to the Chathams and they will come. There is little public knowledge that the Chatham Islands exists or that it is a nice place to go for a holiday. NZ could help sort that out.

Also, I was surfing through the photos at myaviation.net and came across this one;

Is it a new livery for Air Chathams? Becuase the photo said it was the newest convair for Air Chathams and the photo date was 31.12.05?
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:02 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 33):
Is it a new livery for Air Chathams? Becuase the photo said it was the newest convair for Air Chathams and the photo date was 31.12.05?

From what I've seen of some Air Chatams Convairs flying over my work while enroute to WLG, yes its their colour scheme
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Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:09 pm

What happened with the green?
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:32 pm

I remember years ago the Air New Zealand timetable booklet included flights to the Chatham Islands. What was that all about?
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:55 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 33):
Is it a new livery for Air Chathams? Becuase the photo said it was the newest convair for Air Chathams and the photo date was 31.12.05?

Apart from the logo that red is just the previous scheme from the operator in Canada, All the others are the green livery
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 33):
Show foreingers that it is easy to book flights to the Chathams and they will come

The point being though that they don't have the infrustructure to accommodate domestic tourists, let alone foreigners. I saw some stuff about it on What Now a while back (nothing wrong with What Now.....) and from what I saw there wouldn't be enough locals really to maintain a tourism market.

Perhaps this is somewhere we should keep as untouched as possible by humans
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:14 am

didnt mount cook operate th HS748 out to the chathams a few years back?
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting ZKNEA (Reply 38):
Perhaps this is somewhere we should keep as untouched as possible by humans

You are probably right. In the books that I have read about it, it looks like a beautiful island with great landscape however alot of the moriori carvings on the trees are fading - rapidly. I would personally like to see them before they are gone forever.

Quoting ZKNEA (Reply 38):
saw some stuff about it on What Now a while back

What was the Chatham Islands doing on What Now!
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 40):
Quoting ZKNEA (Reply 38):
saw some stuff about it on What Now a while back

What was the Chatham Islands doing on What Now!

Well WN (What now) is a kids show, so could have been interviewing some of the Chatams kids and gave a little history of the Island
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:12 pm

Not that NZ have any plans to do so, but I would love to see a 1 or 2 flights per week schedule to the Chathams using an ATR or Q300.

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Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:14 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 42):
Not that NZ have any plans to do so, but I would love to see a 1 or 2 flights per week schedule to the Chathams using an ATR or Q300

Me too! NZ1, do you think that Air Chathams would ever have the oppourtunity to join the NZ 'link' brand?
Although I know it would not be feasable due too the tiny population of the island, I would love to see a bit of competition on the Chatham Islands -Mainland NZ routes.
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 43):
do you think that Air Chathams would ever have the oppourtunity to join the NZ 'link' brand?

No I don't think they will ever join Air NZ Link. Too small a company, and not enough flights to make it all worthwhile.

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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:04 pm

The most recent (2002) review of Chathams

http://www.nzte.govt.nz/common/files/ci-strategy-p1.pdf

noted that Air Chathams operates without subsidy, offers a good service, and is constrained from monopoly price gouging by the risk of competition. It also noted that the Convairs are weight restricted because of the current runway length.

The review also lays out the reasons why tourism is very limited, could only grow very slowly, and is in any case regarded with suspicion by the majority of current inhabitants who are occupied in farming and fishing. Currently tourism provides employment for 30 people (excluding those working for the airline).


The history of air services to the Chathams is that they got their airfield in WW2 as an air base. During and for a little while after WW2 passenger services were provided by RNZAF flying boats (Sunderlands - the wreck of one of which can still be seen there). Around 1950 the government provided a subsidised service with SAFE Air Bristol Freighters. This continued until the mid 70s when SAFE Air replaced the Bristols with Argosies.

AirNZ purchased SAFE Air and retired the Argosies. For awhile they then used Mount Cook HS748s and, I recall, the occasional F27.

When the great NZ reforms of the 80s took place subsidised services went out of fashion. AirNZ withdrew and the un subsidised Air Chathams emerged - initially only with a Metroliner. With the arrival of the Convairs the Chathams got the best air service they have ever had, and the airline enjoys the confidence and support of the community
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 43):
I would love to see a bit of competition on the Chatham Islands -Mainland NZ routes.

I'd rather have the convairs flying myself. I reckon it all adds to the whole mystique of the place going in a 45 year old aircraft across some of the most dangerous sea in the world.
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:04 pm

I remember on the 29th of Dec last year that ZK-CIF flew into CHC and when I went spotting on the 31st it was still here and then I went spotting on the 3rd of Jan this year it was still here.
 
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RE: Aviation And The Chatham Islands, NZ

Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:53 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 40):
What was the Chatham Islands doing on What Now!

haha it cracks me up how What Now? has made an appearance on A.net. They had the spy rider there, so Tamati was there broadcasting live - showing some stuff of the Chathams, even showing a video clip of them inside the convair they flew in on, filmed during the flight. And they gave out free ice cream and ate a lot of kai moana!! haha. Any how... back to aviation... haha.

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