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How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:15 am

Does anyone have any insight on how the performance of the new PHX-HNL and PHX-OGG route is doing?
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:52 am

Not sure what the actual yields are like, but both flights are full pretty much every day.
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:13 am

The flights are usually weight restricted by 20+ pax every day. Alot of money goes out to bumped passengers who are affected by it. I can't imagine how it will ever be profitable in its current state.
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:51 am

The flights are apparently being weight-restricted due to the unusually heavy amount of cargo they are transporting on that route, but I could be mistaken.

Hint Hint : Cargo makes more revenue per unit than pax  Wink
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:12 am

RIO is right.

There was a big uproar on the first few days of flying when the planes went out with empty seats and a large number of non-revs standing at the gate. The planes were weight restricted however because they were carrying a lot of HEAVY cargo - equipment to stock the station in HNL. Spare tires, engine parts, towbars etc.

Add to that the additional cargo we're carrying now and we can accommodate all the revenue passengers, but have to leave off most non-revs.

But yes, it is making money!

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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:58 am

So it's logical to assume that soon the heavy cargo will reduce in volume, allowing more pax? A station only needs so many spare tires.
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:24 am

whats the equip?

767, 757 or A330?
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
767, 757 or A330?

757's.

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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:28 am

I was talking to an HP employee nonreving out of BWI on Christmas night as her flight was delayed. She mentioned something that HP has been having to pay AQ to carry mail/freight that they were unable to get to HNL.
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Ntspelich (Reply 8):
She mentioned something that HP has been having to pay AQ to carry mail/freight that they were unable to get to HNL

It was actually HA who carried the freight/mail since they have a PHX-HNL flight at roughly the same time.
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):
The flights are usually weight restricted by 20+ pax every day. Alot of money goes out to bumped passengers who are affected by it. I can't imagine how it will ever be profitable in its current state.

That was just in the beginning, like HAL said, the revenue passengers have not been being bumped as of late and the planes have been going out full.
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:49 pm

The first two days we were flying some Comat, but nothing major and mostly to OGG. HNL got a lot of their stuff during the proving flights. HP is encountering heavy headwinds of about 50-75 knots enroute, increasing the fuel loads. (This has taken away from their 240k MTOW). Feb will be the worst month, thereafter (April on), the headwinds will be to our benefit. HP is leaving behing approx. 20 seats daily to HNL and about 10 seats to OGG. I do not expect to many Non-revs to be flying these routes until April on.

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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:17 pm

Out of curiousity how do they figure out when a plane is overweight while it is on the tarmac at the gate. How do they know when to stop adding paxs and luggage? If a non rev is bumped from the flight do they make sure their bags were taken off the aircraft?
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12):
Out of curiousity how do they figure out when a plane is overweight while it is on the tarmac at the gate. How do they know when to stop adding paxs and luggage? If a non rev is bumped from the flight do they make sure their bags were taken off the aircraft?

I cant speak for HP procedures, but here once the load manifest is turned into the crew they will compute that info with what is on the dispatch release (fuel burn,hold fuel,taxi fuel,alt fuel,etc) and add the numbers up.. if it is over the max landing weight (ex. CRJ 47,000lbs) the plane will be overweight.
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:32 pm

Feb will be the worst month, thereafter (April on), the headwinds will be to our benefit

Sweet. You will have the ability to fully serve the market after the premium winter and spring break traffic is gone.

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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:07 pm

Wow, somebody please tell Mother Nature to knock off the funny business.

And people act like it's HP's fault the winds are blowing the wrong way.
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:09 am

The flights are weight restricted because the aircraft have MTOW problems due to landing gear certification. It is a paperwork problem, not the gear itself and a permanent solution is in the works.

When you purchase an aircraft you can buy it with a lower MTOW and save some money. If you later want to increase the MTOW you must pay the manufacturer a "fee" based on each "pound" increase you wish. To do that is usually just an insert in the flight manual but only the manufacture can provide that FAA approved certification.

The same concept applies to certified engine thrust. When an airplane is delivered with a lower thrust rating (than what it is certified up to) you can increase it later by changing or re-pinning the data plug on the engine FADEC (computer) but the certification paperwork will cost $$$$. Nothing is free and the manufacturers have this down to a science.
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:37 am

I would assume the KOA flight would have the same type of weight restrictions?

I'm asking out of curiosity as I just got hired as an AQ contract service agent to work this flight (when it starts in March.)
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 16):
The flights are weight restricted because the aircraft have MTOW problems due to landing gear certification. It is a paperwork problem, not the gear itself and a permanent solution is in the works.

So the 757 is landing-weight limited on these legs then?
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:15 am

If HP/US put winglets on the 757, would it help with the weight restriction problem by reducing the need for fuel?
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:56 am

As said, they're talking payload restrictions, and usually bumping pax. They've been raving about the yields, though, saying they're much better than was expected.

As for the weight restictions, they're looking into increasing the MTOW on the planes, and I think it'll happen in the very near future. They've stated that they're not even considering blended winglets though at this time.
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 20):
They've been raving about the yields, though, saying they're much better than was expected.

Probably because some of the doomsayers were predicting aircraft would be continually full of people cashing in their FlightFund miles and thus not paying for the tickets.
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 21):
Probably because some of the doomsayers were predicting aircraft would be continually full of people cashing in their FlightFund miles and thus not paying for the tickets.

HP is saying the yields are stronger than HP expected. It was a given that the yields would be stronger than the idiots here were expecting.  Wink
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:02 pm

Hey, I meant the doomsayers were at HP  Smile
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:48 pm

It's quite amazing how full the flights are really. The HA flight is full too....hard to believe there is that much demand!!

I'm going to OGG in April on pos. space tickets....should be fun.

I read too that we are trying to get the weight restriction problem solved very quickly.

Will be interesting to see how the new flights will do this spring.
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:28 pm

Since US and HP are one airline cant they put a US767 on the route?
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:32 pm

Quoting CO737800 (Reply 25):
Since US and HP are one airline cant they put a US767 on the route?

They are still operating on two separate certificates, but having said that, there is an agreement that can have US pilots fly one Hawaii route, and HP fly two European routes. However, I don't see the 767 on the HA route anytime soon.

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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:50 pm

I have a gut feeling you'll see at least one 767 on the Hawaii route, sooner than you think....
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:16 am

I've heard similar rumors about moving some 767's to the Hawaii flights... especially now since some of the seasonal Euro flights are not opperating.

My mom is going to nonrev HNL-PHX-HNL this week.. the loads are light so it should be ok I hope....
 
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RE: How Is HP/US Airways PHX-HNL Route Doing?

Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 28):
My mom is going to nonrev HNL-PHX-HNL this week.. the loads are light so it should be ok I hope....

My parents are non-reving PHX-HNL-PHX this week.
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