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SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:30 am

Long rumoured LCY-ARN has now been launched. Route starts on 13FEB06 with two daily return. Flights to be operated with an Avro RJ70 on behalf of SAS by Transwede, although the CRS currently show a Q400 on the route. Second SAS route from LCY, by the way. SAS started a LCY-CPH route (with Q400s) this winter schedule.

Interestingly enough, on LCY's website Stockholm is listed under schedues and offers, but they still run a customer survey on the front page asking whether customers would be interested in a new Stockholm route. Also, no press release from LCY. Telling from how succesful LCY has been in the past months acquiring new routes, it seems to be a save bet that Milan might be the next to come online  Smile

I have been unable to find an English press release, so here is the Swedish version:


"SAS startar nytt affärsreseflyg till London City

Den 13 februari öppnar Scandinavian Airlines Sverige en ny linje direkt från Arlanda till London City Airport. Flygplatsen ligger endast tio kilometer från Londons finansdistrikt, och fem kilometer från Londons nya affärs- och finanscentrum vid Canary Wharf.

Den nya linjen utökar därmed SAS nuvarande Londonflyg från Arlanda från sex till åtta avgångar varje vardag.

- Vi har märkt en ökad efterfrågan på flygresor till London, säger Susanne Dahlberg, kommersiell chef på Scandinavian Airlines Sverige. Dessutom är det många resenärer som vill ha kortare restider.

- Det nya Londonflyget riktar sig speciellt till passagerare som flyger i tjänsten. Vi kan erbjuda en incheckningstid på tjugo minuter före avgång. Med närheten till Londons affärsliv blir transporttiderna korta och resan mer tidseffektiv. Det gör vårt nya Londonflyg till ett mycket attraktivt erbjudande, konstaterar Susanne Dahlberg.

Biljetterna finns i tre olika klasser: Business, Economy Flex och Economy. Linjen ingår i Nya Europaflyget med biljettpriser från 650 kronor. Avgångarna från Arlanda sker vardagar klockan 07:15 och 16:15, och från London City Airport klockan 09:15 och 18:15. Biljetterna går att boka redan nu på www.sas.se.

Det nya affärsreseflyget till London är resultatet av ett samarbete mellan Scandinavian Airlines Sverige och flygbolaget Transwede (ett systerbolag till Malmö Aviation). Flygplanet som kommer att trafikera linjen är av typen Avro 70 med 82 säten."

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:57 am

They should go LCY - BMA imo, its near Sthlm City (5 min. with car) and almost 50 km´s from ARN.

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:11 am

Are international services to and from BMA now allowed without restrictions ? I remember that it was opened for non-domestic flights in early 2003. Any airlines other than SN Brussels/Malmoe (BRU) and SAS (CPH) using the airport for international flights ?

By the way, I seem to remember that Malmö Aviation operated a rather short-lived Stockholm - London City route in 1998. So it would not be a first for LCY. Is that correct ?
 
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 2):
seem to remember that Malmö Aviation operated a rather short-lived Stockholm - London City

If you call short lived 3 years and then dumped when Braathens took them over....3 years...96% load factors...always ontime.


Ahhhhh....those were the days.

Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
Avro RJ70 on behalf of SAS by Transwede

Didn't know they had them......Maybe its Blue1 or whatever they call themselves now???


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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
They should go LCY - BMA imo, its near Sthlm City (5 min. with car) and almost 50 km´s from ARN.

Cheers

Micke//SE

I was thinking the same. Why not give the passengers the benefit to save time at both ends of their journey?

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 2):
Any airlines other than SN Brussels/Malmoe (BRU) and SAS (CPH) using the airport for international flights ?

BA Express (operated by Sun Air of Scandinavia) flies to Århus, Denmark with Dornier 320

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
They should go LCY - BMA imo, its near Sthlm City (5 min. with car) and almost 50 km´s from ARN.



Quoting SK A340 (Reply 4):
I was thinking the same. Why not give the passengers the benefit to save time at both ends of their journey?

Flying LCY - ARN is like flying LCY - MMX and market it as a flight to Copenhagen. Even if ARN is very accesible from Stockholm Centrum, a Cityairport to Cityairport flight would make much more sense.
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting BBJII (Reply 3):
Didn't know they had them......Maybe its Blue1 or whatever they call themselves now???

No, it is not Blue1 or SAS themselves. This is what the press release says:

Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
Det nya affärsreseflyget till London är resultatet av ett samarbete mellan Scandinavian Airlines Sverige och flygbolaget Transwede (ett systerbolag till Malmö Aviation). Flygplanet som kommer att trafikera linjen är av typen Avro 70 med 82 säten."

Rough translation: The new business route to London is the result of a co-operation between SAS and the airline Transwede (a sister company of Malmö Aviation). The route will be served with a 82seat Avro RJ70.


Which, by the way, will be quite uncomfortable for a business oriented route as 82seats must the absolute max which you can squeeze into an RJ70. Compare that to the 64 seat Q400 on the CPH route - that is 14 seats less the max capacity of the Q400.
 
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 6):
the airline Transwede

Does anyone know who Transwede is? There was an airline called Transwede in the late 90s with B757 but they are long gone. I have never seen Transwede at ARN since then.
 
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 7):
Does anyone know who Transwede is?

Avro RJ70 charter operator. Believe they did some feeder flights for Swefly before they stopped flights
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
Flying LCY - ARN is like flying LCY - MMX and market it as a flight to Copenhagen. Even if ARN is very accesible from Stockholm Centrum, a Cityairport to Cityairport flight would make much more sense.

With thinking like this...you should get a job in marketing at Ryanair.  rotfl 


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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 7):
Does anyone know who Transwede is?

www.transwede.se

They only have one aircraft.

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 7):
There was an airline called Transwede in the late 90s with B757

There was a Transwede even before that that flew domestic and some international. I remember flying with one of their F-100 to MMX from ARN  Smile

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 6):



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 6):
Compare that to the 64 seat Q400 on the CPH route - that is 14 seats less the max capacity of the Q400.

The SAS Q-400 has 72 seats onboard.

The Avro from Transwede has a 3+3 configuration and when Business Class seats are sold the middleseats must be blocked, so 82 psgrs will be too much if not flying in a full economyclass version.

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:46 pm

Quoting BBJII (Reply 3):
If you call short lived 3 years and then dumped when Braathens took them over....3 years...96% load factors...always ontime.

Well, the Stockholm route was started in April 1998 by Malm� Aviation and was operated on their behalf by a Stockholm-based Cityjet BAe 146-200. Malm� Aviation was taken over by Braathens in the autumn of 1998, so if the route was dumped as a result of the take-over, it cannot have lasted for three years (furthermore, Braathens Malm� (as it was called from February 1999) stopped all flights from ARN in 1999, while international services from BMA were not allowed until 2003).

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 7):
Does anyone know who Transwede is? There was an airline called Transwede in the late 90s with B757 but they are long gone. I have never seen Transwede at ARN since then.

Rather complicated background.

Norwegian airline Braathens ASA took over the Swedish domestic carrier Transwede Airways in 1996/1997 and changed its name to Braathens Sweden AB. Braathens Sweden AB took over Malm� Aviation in 1998 as well. The whole operation was renamed Braathens Malm� in February 1999 when all former Transwede operations from Arlanda were axed and Braathens Malm� concentrated on domestic services from Bromma. It reverted back to the Malm� Aviation name in the summer of 2000. Malm� Aviation became independent from Braathens ASA in 2001 when Braathens ASA was sold by the Braathen family to SAS. The "new" Transwede was set up in 2005 using the name and trademarks of the old Transwede still owned by the Braathen family. It received its AOC on March 29, 2005. First flight was on May 8, 2005. Technically, it is a subsidiary of Malm� Aviation which is still owned by the Braathen family.

Quoting Birka340 (Reply 11):
The SAS Q-400 has 72 seats onboard.

My mistake. I was under the impression that for the CPH-LCY route they are using one of their five OY-registered Q400s which have a CY58 layout (not CY64 as I thought when writing the above post).
 
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:02 pm

Does anyone have the timetable to hand for this LCYARN routing and vv ??

Thanks

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:40 pm

Since the article is in Swedish it doesn't make any remarks about if those ARN-LCY flights are to get some connecting traffic from the Baltic States, Finland, Russia and other SK cities @ ARN; Which I suppose could be the case of why ARN and not BMA.
But, IMHO a 0715h ARN departure is less attractive than a 0715h BMA departure for Stockholms businesspeople flying to LCY.
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 13):
Does anyone have the timetable to hand for this LCYARN routing and vv ??

STD ARN 0715 and 1615
STA ARN 1245 and 2145

STD LCY 0915 and 1815
STA LCY 0845 and 1745
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 15):

STD ARN 0715 and 1615
STA ARN 1245 and 2145

STD LCY 0915 and 1815
STA LCY 0845 and 1745

Whooooooaaa...nice times...shame the 1615 won't get the Biz traffic ex ARN.

Dep ARN 0715 Arr LCY 0845
Dep LCY 0915 Arr ARN 1245
Dep ARN 1615 Arr LCY 1745
Dep LCY 1815 Arr ARN 2145



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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting BBJII (Reply 9):
With thinking like this...you should get a job in marketing at Ryanair.

Why? Because Ryanair actually fly to airports closer to the city they proclaim than people actually give them credit for? In some cases this is actually true, GSE being one of them.
 
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 17):
Quoting BBJII (Reply 9):
With thinking like this...you should get a job in marketing at Ryanair.

Why? Because Ryanair actually fly to airports closer to the city they proclaim than people actually give them credit for? In some cases this is actually true, GSE being one of them.

If one lives in Gothemburg, flying out of GSE would be wonderful, but where to? STN, LTN? I don't think it's to LCY.
Does Ryanair actually offer connections for those GSE passengers wherever they fly to?
GSE may be the only case I know of Ryanair flying to a "city airport", any other such cases?
Well, after what I've seen here, Ryanair should try LTN-BMA someday..
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:32 am

actually if you dont live close to Bromma airport , then Arlanda is the best option. Since the Arlanda Express train was introduced in 1999, the journey between Stockholm and Arlanda Airport only take 20 minutes,plus the train go every 15 minutes.Bromma is a great option if u live in western Stockholm
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Quoting Mika (Reply 17):
Quoting BBJII (Reply 9):
With thinking like this...you should get a job in marketing at Ryanair.

Why? Because Ryanair actually fly to airports closer to the city they proclaim than people actually give them credit for? In some cases this is actually true, GSE being one of them.

If one lives in Gothemburg, flying out of GSE would be wonderful, but where to? STN, LTN? I don't think it's to LCY.
Does Ryanair actually offer connections for those GSE passengers wherever they fly to?
GSE may be the only case I know of Ryanair flying to a "city airport", any other such cases?
Well, after what I've seen here, Ryanair should try LTN-BMA someday..

I was refering to the Malmo sold as Copenhagen statemant.....

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:16 pm

At 894miles, LCY-ARN is, by the way, by far the longest route served from LCY. This is slightly longer than even LCY-FCO. Taking over from CPH, which is 590miles.
 
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
Flying LCY - ARN is like flying LCY - MMX and market it as a flight to Copenhagen. Even if ARN is very accesible from Stockholm Centrum, a Cityairport to Cityairport flight would make much more sense.

How much service does Bromma get anymore?

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
GSE may be the only case I know of Ryanair flying to a "city airport", any other such cases?

Well, they fly to CIA, which is actually closer to central Rome than is FCO.
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
How much service does Bromma get anymore?

Malmo Aviation to Gothenburg, Malmo and Umea plus the joint service with SNBA to BRU. Maybe some other flights too
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:57 am

See replies 2 & 6:

Non-domestic destinations from BMA are Copenhagen (SAS DHC8-400), Brussels (Malm� Aviation/SN Brussels RJ100), Arhus (SunAir D328) and now London City (SAS RJ70).
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 24):
Non-domestic destinations from BMA are Copenhagen (SAS DHC8-400), Brussels (Malm� Aviation/SN Brussels RJ100), Arhus (SunAir D328) and now London City (SAS RJ70).

Weird there are no HEL - BMA.

If there's some premium bussines traffic between Stockholm and Rome, then a ARN - CIA would be interesting.
Does LCY gets any flights from either FCO or CIA?
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 25):
Weird there are no HEL - BMA.

Maybe a good route for Blue 1 or FinnComm Airlines?
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 25):
Weird there are no HEL - BMA.

European Executive Express (EEE) tried this in spring 2003 with their J31's. I guess it didn't work quite well since the route was flown only for a very brief period of time.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
How much service does Bromma get anymore?

http://www.lfv.se/templates/LFV_InfoSida_Bred____16382.aspx

I don't know how much you can trust that list though since CPH and BRU are not on it...

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Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:59 am

BRU is on the list as Bryssel

[Edited 2006-01-21 20:03:14]
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 29):
BRU is on the list as Bryssel

Sorry, my misstake...  ashamed 

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:07 am

There is no flights to Copenhagen anymore.

These are the destinations operated today from BMA:

Aarhus, Denmark (Sun-Air/British Airways) Dornier328Prop
Brussels, Belgium (Malmo Aviation/SN Brussels) Avro RJ85 & Avro RJ100

Domestic:

Gothenburg (Malmo Aviation) Avro RJ100
Malmo (Malmo Aviation) Avro RJ100
Umea (Malmo Aviation) Avro RJ100

Trollhattan (Golden Air) Saab 340

Sundsvall (Sundsvallsflyg.se/Golden Air) Saab 2000
Angelholm (Kullaflyg.se/Golden Air) Saab 200
Visby (Gotlandsflyg.se/Golden Air) Saab 340

Ronneby (Blekingeflyg.se/Avitrans Nordic) Saab 340

Vaxjo (Stockholmsplanet.com/Avitrans Nordic) Saab 340

Quoting Jormy (Reply 27):
European Executive Express (EEE) tried this in spring 2003 with their J31's. I guess it didn't work quite well since the route was flown only for a very brief period of time.

It was flown for less than a month and many of the flights was cancelled because they had no passengers. Probably because EEE wasn't a very known airline and they flew with Jetstrem 31.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:17 pm

Quoting Scanwing (Reply 31):
There is no flights to Copenhagen anymore.

Anyone likely to restart CPH?
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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:42 pm

Is anything bigger than the RJ100 allowed into BMA ? I seem to remember that no bigger airliner is allowed to be used. If so, it is no surprise that SAS pulled the plug on CPH as there is literally no competition in sight in Denmark and Sweden that could operate the route in competition with a decently-sized aircraft.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:24 am

No more flights to and from BMA, please!!

My windows rattles when they take off, especilly De Havilland dash-8, hate that a/c!! I cant sleep when there´s morning rush hour....

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RE: SAS Starts LCY-ARN On 13FEB06 With Avro RJ70

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:58 pm

Looking at the listing's...Transwede have only 1 RJ70, EI-COQ:

Anyone know how they back it up during Tech-issues?

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Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:49 pm

Don't know, but as they are a subsidiary of Malmö Aviation, I would not be surprised if Malmö Aviation would come to their rescue with one of their RJ100s rather than making them leasing in an aircraft from a third party.

Does anyone know if the aircraft will be operated in SAS c/s ?

LCY now, btw, has finally a press release out:
http://www.londoncityairport.com/ind...mode=news&action=showStory&sId=940

I was wondering if other Scandinavian destinations might be a possibility in the future, particularly OSL and GOT ? Too bad SAS does not operate the Saab 2000 any longer, would be the appropriately-sized aircraft and a fast one as well.

[Edited 2006-01-23 12:53:29]
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 7):
Does anyone know who Transwede is? There was an airline called Transwede in the late 90s with B757 but they are long gone. I have never seen Transwede at ARN since then.

This is what their Avro looks like. Reminds me of Malmö Aviation.

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Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 34):
My windows rattles when they take off, especilly De Havilland dash-8, hate that a/c!! I cant sleep when there´s morning rush hour....

Fortunatley for you that they don't fly with these anymore to BMA.

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 33):
Is anything bigger than the RJ100 allowed into BMA ?

No, that is the biggest passenger plane allowed to fly regulary into BMA.

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 36):
I would not be surprised if Malmö Aviation would come to their rescue with one of their RJ100s rather than making them leasing in an aircraft from a third party.

Malmo Aviation needs all nine aircrafts they have for their traffic, otherwise they have to reduce.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:24 pm

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:54 am

Looking at AMADEUS.

Flight will change to Q400 on summer schedule
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Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):

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Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos