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AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:42 am

AA has ordered 20 sets of winglets for the 757....which is small in comparison to their fleet of 143 757s.... Is AA planning on further expanding their routes to Europe out of their east coast ops like BOS using the 757? Or possibly using the winglet-fitted ones on longer transcon routes...I've heard something about SJU-LAX?? Also, whats with the rumors on TW's 757s being retired?

When would we likely see the rest of the 757s leave the fleet? (I know, no one really wants to see them leave because I cant think of one person who doesnt love the 757.......and I am hoping to someday fly the 757 for any carrier, hopefully AA though). How much more use will AA squeeze out of them?

I do find some of AA's usage of the 757s to be odd.... For instance here in the Washington D.C. area, we see a lot more AA757s at BWI, than we do at IAD and DCA, which probably receive more traffic in general.... to me BWI is a 'secondary' airport- though it is very busy because it is an WN hub.

Anyone know or want to predict what AA's plans are for the 757?

Thanks.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:49 am

I don't really see a gap right now in the European Market for those 757s unless AA plans to go to markets well served by CO/DL (TXL, ARN, HAM, etc.) or target seasonal markets

The European is risking become in a couple of years what the U.S. domestic market is like in terms of capacity/profitability.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:51 am

I believe they wanted to start a 3x weekly service to COR with 757s from MIA - that was a rumour going around, and I believe that the Wingletted 757s would come in handy, or were part of the rumour.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:54 am

AA was going to start JFK-NCL but they dropped it before it could get going.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:00 am

BOS-GLA seems a good possibility.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:18 am

With reference to the ex-TW 757s, the plan is to retire these when leases expire. This is supposed to be sometime in 2007, IIRC.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:20 am

I don't think AA will keep the former TW B-757-200s beyond their lease. The TW airplanes all have P&W engines, AA's have RR engines. Even though the TW airplanes are grenerally newer with some ordered as late as 1998.

So, the former TW B-757's will not get winglets, at least, not from AA. These airplanes will, most likely get picked up quickly, once they return to the leasors, as the B-757 is well accepted by airlines and the flying public. They are good money makers for just about everyone who flys them.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
The TW airplanes all have P&W engines, AA's have RR engines.

There's also some cockpit differences between the TW and AA birds. I don't know the differences, maybe someone here can share them?
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:55 am

IIRC the switches are thrown in the opposite direction from the AA aircraft.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 7):
There's also some cockpit differences between the TW and AA birds. I don't know the differences, maybe someone here can share them?



Quoting SoBe (Reply 8):
IIRC the switches are thrown in the opposite direction from the AA aircraft.

Isn't that on the MD-80s?
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting SoBe (Reply 8):



IIRC the switches are thrown in the opposite direction from the AA aircraft.

Yes, thats for the TWA 757s....i guess the pilots have to be very careful about which type they are on, esp. AA pilots who've been flying the 757 for a long time before TW's were added into the fleet...and vice versa.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting AA777 (Reply 10):
Yes, thats for the TWA 757s....i guess the pilots have to be very careful about which type they are on, esp. AA pilots who've been flying the 757 for a long time before TW's were added into the fleet...and vice versa.

I think only ex TWA pilots fly the TWA 757, or AA pilots were spcefically trained to stay only on ex TWA 757 as to not confuse the two, hopefully someone can correct me on that matter.

There are 7 ex TWA 757 left remaining is that correct? or only 7 on lease? How many TWA 757 were bought, and/or leased total?

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
I think only ex TWA pilots fly the TWA 757, or AA pilots were spcefically trained to stay only on ex TWA 757

Correct sir.

Most frequently my uncle gets to double dead head to STL out of AUS and fly with ex TW guys as a check airman. I only know this cause he whines about having a double dead to STL or BOS as a 28 yr employee of AA.

I would like to see AA do a JFK or MIA to BCN and also PRG.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:31 pm

I heard an AA 757 was coming to BRS this year.

Not sure if it's true.
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Amy (Reply 13):
I heard an AA 757 was coming to BRS this year.

Not sure if it's true.

I dont' think AA was planning on coming ot BRS, but they were planning on flying a 757 to NCL from JFK, but it got cancelled...what a shame

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:46 pm

CO and AA 757s sitting next to eachother in BRS...Taking a few pics of that would worth the A38 traffic jam...
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 12):
I would like to see AA do a JFK or MIA to BCN and also PRG.

I don't think that a 757 has sufficient range to fly nonstop from JFK or MIA to PRG, maybe with full fuel and empty load but definitely not if the aircraft has a high load factor. I would rather say LIS, if that destination is ever added to AA's network in Europe, may see 757's. A 757 could fly MIA-LIS nonstop but with a restricted pax and/or cargo load.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting SoBe (Reply 8):
IIRC the switches are thrown in the opposite direction from the AA aircraft.

I don't think that is the case. Boeing designs switch placement so that all switches are "on" or "active" if the switch is in the "up" or "forward" position. The difference in the ex TW and AA B-757s must be the type of avionics package, type, style of ADI, HSI, and display programing.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:09 am

Perhaps AA will try and find a lessor/airline/whatever that is interested in an "exchange" of PW-powered 757s for RR-powered 757s.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 18):
Perhaps AA will try and find a lessor/airline/whatever that is interested in an "exchange" of PW-powered 757s for RR-powered 757s.

As the leases come due on the TWA 757's they are being returned. No plans to acquire more RR powered 757's.
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:42 am

Can anyone confirm if a JFK-PRG route is possible with a 75W.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 16):
I don't think that a 757 has sufficient range to fly nonstop from JFK or MIA to PRG, maybe with full fuel and empty load but definitely not if the aircraft has a high load factor. I would rather say LIS, if that destination is ever added to AA's network in Europe, may see 757's. A 757 could fly MIA-LIS nonstop but with a restricted pax and/or cargo load

It has plenty of range JFK-LKPR (PRG). MIA-PRG would be a problem. MIA-LIS is farther than JFK-PRG. Unless there were exception winds, it could do it without restrictions for the most part. I am sure there are exceptions for everything, but these would be some of the best routes for a 752. 3500-3600 nautical mile flights.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:59 am

To be honest who knows what is going to happen with our 757s. It would be great to see more of them flying across the pond. However since CO has already tapped into that market and seem to be doing well, I really don't think that we will see anymore of it anytime soon. Our 757s are great planes, they do need to be updated like no ones business, but due the current financial status of my company I wouldn't really look for that any time soon. Trust me everyone at AA has said something about it. I would look for more Central and South American flying with them, however everyone know that we are dropping LIM next month for what ever reason, but we will keep CCS? Not sure about the logic behind that. On a side note, we will start service from DFW to LIR and MBJ next month on the 23rd. Think DFW may become a better alternative to MIA. Thanks for flying American!!!!
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting Dfwagt (Reply 22):

Wait AA is dropping MIA-LIM next month, or are you talking about the plans to drop DFW-LIM?? I would see it very illogical for AA to drop a MIA-LIM because I have flown numerous times and the flights always seem quite full, plus they have numerous Lima based FA's working for AA.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:20 am

Sorry that was DFW-LIM. Should have been more specific.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:28 am

When the ex TWA 757's are returned, will AA either:

1. drop some routes
2. Increase utilisation of existing fleet
3. replace the routes with new 738's on order
4. Something else?
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting Rwylie77 (Reply 25):
When the ex TWA 757's are returned, will AA either:

1. drop some routes
2. Increase utilisation of existing fleet
3. replace the routes with new 738's on order
4. Something else?

They must increase utilization.... or drop some routes. I dont know how soon the leases on the resy of the TWA 757s will end... Many routes that are domestic can be replaced with 737 service, esp because both DFW and MIA are 757 / 737 domeciles.... but the problem is that the 738 doesnt have the same capacity. AFAIK, they will not take any more deliveries of the rest of their 738 orders until 2013, unless business picks up...A lot.

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:55 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
I don't think that is the case. Boeing designs switch placement so that all switches are "on" or "active" if the switch is in the "up" or "forward" position. The difference in the ex TW and AA B-757s must be the type of avionics package, type, style of ADI, HSI, and display programing.

You may be right. I have no personal knowledge of the setup, just what I picked up off this recent thread: RE: AA's TWA Jets (by Carpethead Jan 18 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2555031
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:24 am

What routes are they currently running their 752's with winglets on?

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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:48 am

If AA has any plans to keep flying these great 757's, the first thing they should do is put some fresh paint on them!!
I was changing planes at DFW last week, in the AA terminal C, and was appalled at the exteriors of almost every AA plane I saw, with the exceptions of a few 777's and some fairly new 737's. This is not a jab at AA -- even tho I usually fly UA, AA is a fine airline.... but their fleet really looks dated, particularly the red portions of the livery.
(I won't even get into the fact that AA needs an updated livery.... particularly if/when they start flying 787's...)
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:03 pm

I think AA is just trying to increase the efficiency of the 757s
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:08 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
I think only ex TWA pilots fly the TWA 757, or AA pilots were spcefically trained to stay only on ex TWA 757 as to not confuse the two, hopefully someone can correct me on that matter.

There are 7 ex TWA 757 left remaining is that correct? or only 7 on lease? How many TWA 757 were bought, and/or leased total?

Bummer that AA wants to get ride of the TWA 757s. From a passenger standpoint, these tend to be much more comfortable than the AA 757s do - the interiors on the TWA planes are much nicer.
 
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:13 pm

The TWA have the same layout as one of the two layouts in Northwest's fleet. Northwest's 757s are also PW powered. I wonder if they'd bit on those? It is a nice layout. AA's 757 Interiors could use some help, but i don't think anyone disagrees. I got to ride on one of AA's new 738's last year, and I have to say I was really impressed by the interior. A few interesting facts for those critical of long-haul routes on narrow bodies.

You can fly non-stop PTE-EZE on one of Copa's 737-700s, which is over a 7 hour flight. You can fly from EWR-OSL on one of CO's RR Powered 752s, also, I think I may have an answer for AA's RR powered 752s with winglets.

AA has apparently added 757-200s (I am yet to know if they are the ones with winglets or not, but i'll assume so) to a few routes from MIA to south america, the longest of which was 9 hours, which is almost hard to believe for a 757.
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RE: AA's Plans For The 757

Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:13 pm

What ever they do with them, I hope they plan on refurbishing some soon....they All look like 50 miles of rough road inside!!

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