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AeroWesty
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 99):
What is the minimum and maximum walk-up fare? I guess it varies depending upon the length of the flight?

Right, for instance the maximum fare for DAL-HOU (a short flight) is $109 + tax, and the maximum fare PDX-BWI (a long flight) is $299 + tax.
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 100):
Southwest Airlines one-way full-Y fares are capped at $299.

So that'd be the same on BWI-MHT and BWI-LAX?
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 101):
Right, for instance the maximum fare for DAL-HOU (a short flight) is $109 + tax, and the maximum fare PDX-BWI (a long flight) is $299 + tax

Thanks. Didn't see your reply before I posted my last one.

Yeah, I guess DAL-HOU would only be, what, 30-35 mins, winds depending?
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:17 am

Sorry, I still think FR suck  Wink

I'll never fly them.
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:56 am

There's a touch of the 'Dear Leader' brainwashing on this thread.

How anyone can be as enthusiastic about a private company as others are about a football team is utterly beyond me. People would look at me as if I were an idiot (assuming that they don't already) if I repeated in parrot fashion the Tesco PR spiel and castigated them for buying their groceries from Waitrose.

Terribly bizarre.
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:29 am

Quote:
assume you meant to say that 'Pretty soon, Ryanair may well carry more passengers than any other European airline'. It will clearly be a very long time before Ryanair flies more passenger revenue kilometers or has a stock exchange value anywhere near that of Air France / KLM, Lufthansa or British Airways even if they maintain current growth rates. When this happens then they will be able to claim that they are 'the largest airline in Europe' even if their revenue is still a lot smaller than Air France / KLM and the rest (as it will be brecause of the low revenue yields inherent in an LCC operation).

Facts:

ASM and RPM, source EAE statistics 31st December 2004:

BA
RPM 66 354
ASM 89 335

RPM Europe 12 673
ASM Europe 18 800

LH
RPM 68 052
ASM 86 844

RPM Europe 16 291
ASM Europe 23 861

AF

RPM 66 727
ASM 88 034

RPM Europe 13 994
ASM Europe 21 894

KL

RPM 39 237
ASM 47 892

RPM Europe 6 800
ASM Europe 9 019



Ryanair (rolling 12 month, 31st march 2005, source: K-10)
RPM 13,862
ASM 17,812

Passengers:
Ryanair
Rolling 12 months ended 31st Dec 05

33,368,585

BA Europe 23,379,100
BA Total 35,679,900

AF Europe 32,048,900
AF Total 45,392,600

LH Europe 36,739,000
LH Total 48,276,000

KL Europe 13,143,500
KL Total 20,386,200

(includes domestic passengers, source AEA 31st December 2004)

December 2005 (Source: Airlines)
Ryanair 2,833,765
LH Total 3,714,000
AF+KL Total 5,574,000
BA Total 2,728,000


Market valuation:
RYANAIR HLDGS (RYA.L) Market Cap: 5.97 B€
DT.LUFTHANSA N (LHA.F) Market Cap: 5.67 B€
AIR FRANCE - KLM (AF1.PA) Market Cap: 4.80 B€
BRITISH AIRWAYS (BAY.L) Market Cap: 3.46 B£=5,03B€


Summary

Ryanair has the highest market valuation. It will take at least three years before ryanair becomes the largest European airline measured by number of passengers. Ryanair will be quite soon be the largest airline flying in Europe measured by ASM or RPM. When we use systemwide RPM or ASP Ryanair is far behind of AF, LH, and BA.

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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 96):
No. A visa issued for the Netherlands is also valid for Austria. Members of the Schengen Agreement issue common visas.

Not correct. A passenger travelling JFK-AMS-KBP, from let's say the Ukraine, doesNOT need a Schengen visa if he is in transit in AMS. He can stay in the transit area and doesnot have to enter the Netherlands. Some pasports require a transitvisa, but those are hardly checked by immigration, since those passengers do NOT go through immigration. A passenger with a Schengenvisa issued by and for Austria (or any other Schengencountry) may NOT be valid for a stay in another Schengencountry, depending on the type of visa. I have had numerous calls at the gate from immigration officers telling me that passenger XXX cannot travel because of a wrong Schengenvisa.
 
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 6):
Wait until they get into long haul. All legacy carriers are surely stuffed !!!

Yeah, sure.
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again

Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:11 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 95):
Don't believe so. In fact, do any European no-frills carriers have price caps?

I'm not aware of any LCC in Europe that has price caps at the moment.

However, V BIRD, an LCC that operated out of NRN and went belly up in 2004, had price caps, and rather low ones I believe. If I recall correctly, NRN-SXF was capped at E99, including taxes. But that could well have been the reason they went belly up Big grin
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 47):

Why do they have to discriminate against non-Europeans? All of us non-Europeans will have to be stuck in middle seats. I may reconsider Ryanair...

I second this...I'm flying them one week before the change, and frankly I'm glad, cause I'm not guaranteed a middle seat...

It must have something to do with passport/visa restrictions.

At any rate, if the price is right, people will fly...
 
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RE: FR To Revolutionise European Air Travel (again

Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:01 pm

Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 47):
Why do they have to discriminate against non-Europeans? All of us non-Europeans will have to be stuck in middle seats. I may reconsider Ryanair...



Quoting ORD14R (Reply 109):
I second this...I'm flying them one week before the change, and frankly I'm glad, cause I'm not guaranteed a middle seat...

Aside from how ludicrous the non-European discrimination comment is (I hope it was tongue-in-cheek), you both appear to be missing one of Ryanair's key boarding points.

They don't assign seat numbers.

The only way you'd get stuck with the middle seat is if two-thirds of the aircraft pre-boarded and were all travelling alone (and thus chose all aisle and window seats, leaving only middle seats for the later boarders). An unlikely scenario, no?

Rich

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