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Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:24 am

It would appear that the turboprop regional airliner's days have been numbered, with the major cause of death being the introduction of jet powered models like the CRJ and ERJ. There are only a small handful of turboprops still in production and none of them seem to be "flying off the shelves" (pardon the pun). What are the chances a major manufacturer will introduce a new turboprop design or is the type pretty much dead?
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Thread starter):
It would appear that the turboprop regional airliner's days have been numbered,

Far, Far from the truth. Turboprobs are making a huge resurgence due to the cost of jet fuel. Turboprops are far more efficient on flights of 1.5 or less and are cheaper to operate. I have a good friend that is in aircraft leasing and last year they placed more turboprops that at any time in the last 10 years by nearly 3 fold.

[Edited 2006-02-04 20:29:26]
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
last year they placed more turboprops that at any time in the last 10 years by nearly 3 fold

Were those for new models or just ones in storage? I understand that the current state of the economy has forced airliens to cut back on fuel spending, but what I'm really asking is if turboprop production will be revamped again.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:54 am

When oil was at $20 per barrel, the idea that turboprops would be completely phased out was popular, and understandable. Passengers greatly prefer to fly on jets, and communities love to tout "jet service" when talking up their local airports.

But due to increases in fuel costs, it is very difficult for airlines to make money on short RJ flights, particularly those to smaller communities. One need look no further than Texas to see this effect in action. While American Eagle has gone all-RJ at ORD, it still serves numerous destinations from DFW with its Saabs. Service to ABI (160 miles), ACT (90 miles), TYR (90 miles), SPS (100 miles), GRK (150 miles), CLL (170 miles), GGG (120 miles), TXK (170 miles), and LAW (120 miles) are either all-prop or partial-prop. Given the short driving distances and sizes of these communities, don't look for this to change soon, unless the price of oil drops to $20 per barrel (which is probably a pipe dream for the next decade).
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:54 am

It looks like ATR and DeHaviland have a good window of opportunity to market their (excellent) turboprops with US regionals. While the passenger avoidance of turboprops issue is still there, with fuel prices going north of $2.50 a (US) gallon, the regionals need to get their operating costs down or lose lift contracts with their major partners.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:13 am

In the Northeast US, US Airways Express still uses lots of turboprops. At home at ROC I see plenty of Dash 8's and Saabs along with the EMB-170's, mainline, and CRJ/ERJ. I've flown on DH8's numerous times and would gladly fly on one if the alternative on a given route is no service at all.

Fortunately we've had AirTran with nice 717's between the DC-Baltimore area and Rochester for several years, which ended my days on USX Dash 8's. But if a turboprop a/c is the only viable way to keep a route going, better that than no service. My own guess is that pax will adjust to having them again if that's the only way to keep certain routes going.

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 2):
but what I'm really asking is if turboprop production will be revamped again.

At least ATR plans this, not sure about Bombardier.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:23 am

Actually, the Dash 8-400Q has been receiving health orders lately. I know if I had the chance, I'd order this aircraft over 70 seater jets for certain routes.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:28 am

If the economy was better and fuel prices weren't so high, do you all think turboprops would have this resurgence? I think I should make it clear that I'm not bashing prop jobs, I would hate to see them go, but I feel like the technology is just getting a little obsolete now (but maybe, hopefully, I'm wrong). My only concern for a turbopropless market would be that small regional jets don't seem to be optimal choices for super-short routes. Doesn't it seem like a waste to fly a plane that has a change of over 1500nm for flights that are somtimes under 250nm?
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:22 am

I still see a lot of props in use, NW uses mostly saab 340 from CWA to ORD but UA uses CRJ's. I prefer props myself for those shorter trips sitting row 4 or 5 on a saab next to the prop gets you right in the sound of it all. Much better windows imo then the crj too.

[Edited 2006-02-04 22:23:36]
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:31 am

On short haul routes it is the jets that face obsolescence.

That is why Qantas chose the Q400 for certain routes and had added Dash 8-300s on others, including the replacement of older -100s and possibly some -200s.

If Virgin Blue decides to contest the close-in secondary or rural market, and we know they are actively considering this, they will choose turbo-props, obviously either from Bombardier or ATR.

That doesn't mean that Embraer won't sell some 170/190 family jets in this country, although until now they have asked too much and reportedly refused to budge on price. It seems like they are pretty good jets to fly in too, but nothing is happening here that doesn't come with a set of numbers that says it will add to profitability.

Good looking planes and nice planes just don't cut it when it comes to fleet planning anymore.

The thing that impresses me with the Dash-8s (and not that much does, they are really uncomfortable to fly in if you are tall) is they have done their taxiing and taken off in the same time it takes a 737 to fart around even getting to the far end of the runway.

I'm sure the real trip time between Canberra and Sydney for example is quicker in the turbo-prop than the 737, especially when it comes to getting on and off the plane and getting on with business.

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 2):
but what I'm really asking is if turboprop production will be revamped again.

At least ATR plans this, not sure about Bombardier.

Flight International posted the following 3 Feb 2006

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...204430/Turboprops+bounce+back.html

Subheading was
"ATR and Bombardier enjoy a renaissance of their propeller-driven airliners as demand for small jets collapses"

With fuel at $1.80 per US gallon, people are going to have to deal with turboprops or pay a lot more for the short haul.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:40 am

I think we could see QX ordering additional Q400's on top of what they have now. The Q400's are fairly quick, comfortable and can serve airports that jets cannot. Also, I believe ATR has had some success with orders for their Super ATR-72's.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 8):
but I feel like the technology is just getting a little obsolete now

This couldn't be further from the truth, the Dash 8 Q400 is one of the most technically advanced airliners out there, and the ATR-72-500 isnt far behind. Many people have this view it has a propellor, the only aircraft i see with propellors are in old war films, it must be old.
This is so untrue it is unbelievable and infact on flights upto 1 1/2 hours turboprops are about as efficient as you an get. I only wish ATR and Bombardier would capitalise on this big time and release some new models in all size ranges (although the Q400 is a good step in thsi direction it is a 70 seater, the Q300 in teh 50 seat range isnt nearly as good)
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:40 am

Horizon uses a lot of the Q400s. I believe their Portland-Sacramento service uses this type of craft. From what I have heard, they are more comfortable than the Regional Jets. I am anxious to fly one. Smaller communities could benefit from their usage, like Stockton (SCK) and a number of the Central Valley towns that need service.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:53 am

I believe the longest route for the Q400 with Horizon is Medford (MFR) to LAX which is 628 miles. The flight time is only 10 -15 minutes longer than the CR700.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:01 am

QX uses their Q400's on the LAX-Sun Valley route. I believe that's longer than the MFR-LAX route. They also used to fly the BZN-LAX route with Q400's.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:06 am

You're right LAX-Sun Valley is 68 miles further. Do they run that year round?
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
I think we could see QX ordering additional Q400's on top of what they have now. The Q400's are fairly quick, comfortable and can serve airports that jets cannot

Exactly what I was going to say. Except I wouldnt go straight for comfortable. Flew SEA-SUN in December and didn't like it all that much. But QX inflight service made up for it 100%, they do a great job. Rather have the A seat on an Embraer anyday (I like having the window and the aisle at the same time).

Quoting AirCop (Reply 17):
You're right LAX-Sun Valley is 68 miles further. Do they run that year round?

Believe so, planes go SEA-SUN-LAX-SUN-SEA and SEA-SUN-OAK(?)-SUN-SEA... IIRC. And they run two SEA flights in the summer, so I think so.

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 11):
"ATR and Bombardier enjoy a renaissance of their propeller-driven airliners as demand for small jets collapses"

That article to which you provide a link to for FI is highlights just how much of a turnaround in Turboprop orders 2005 witnessed. This is evidenced by the backlogs at the end of 2004 vs 2005;

ATR had a backlog of just 14 frames at the end of 2004 vs 89 as of 2005

BBD had a backlog of 47 Q Series at end of 2004 vs 80 as of 2005

It appears that the market for the Turboprops is recovering.

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting Mich (Reply 9):
NW uses mostly saab 340 from CWA to ORD

NW doesn't fly from CWA to ORD. And no scheduled carrier currently operates props into ORD anymore.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:39 pm

The OAK-SUN route is only seasonal for skiers. It is my understanding from AS739X that the only reason the Q400's run out of OAK is because SFO doesn't allow turboprops at the terminal building. I hope I have that correct, AS739X. It's nice to see pax turboprops at OAK. I haven't seen props at OAK since UA Express' flights to SNA and FAT, or Sierra Expressway briefly flew from OAK to several California communities and MFR.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:39 pm

For an interesting take on the FI article cited in Reply 11, see the following:

http://enplaned.blogspot.com/2006/01...joint-top-of-regionals-league.html

I tend to agree with Enplaned, in that FI seems to be making something out of nothing. The headline is definitely misleading in my opinion. ATR has been delivering the grand sum of 1 aircraft per month over the past two years. You really can't go much lower and still stay in business.

ATR is a third-rate player in a small niche - regional aircraft. And as Enplaned states, the market is flooded with small ERJ's and CRJ's.

FI has another puff piece in their latest issue of 3 February, 2006, entitled "Turboprops bounce back."

Why didn't Air Canada and JetBlue order turboprops? I think the answer is that, frankly, passengers don't really like them and will almost always opt for jets whenever they can.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:49 pm

I've always kind of wondered why RJ's, with the exception of UA Express, hasn't been too popular on the west coast, especially in the Northwest. SEA gets a few CRJ's from SLC via DL and QX has a handful of CRJ's with the AS unit. But, all in all, it's still primarily a turboprop world up here.

Even at LAX, AE and UA Express still fly a significant amount of turboprops to destinations around the region.

On the other hand, the midwest and east have tons of RJ service.

Does anyone know why that is the case?
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:59 pm

SA Express have a fleet of Dash 8-300s and just ordered a couple of Q400s, personally I like low and slow sometimes. JNB-BFN for example is about an hour on a Dash 8, slightly less on a CRJ, and with a 6am departure it is nice to get a snooze on the Dash!
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 23):
On the other hand, the midwest and east have tons of RJ service.

Does anyone know why that is the case?

It mostly depends on the length of the leg. Jets are good for long distances, but they become monstrously inefficient when used for short hops. That's where the turboprops excel and save the airlines tons of money on jet fuel.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:04 pm

I don't think that this is a surprise to anyone, but CO has been talking about adding TP's to many routes out of IAH. According to the press release, the want 50 passenger aircraft, and have been talking with Colgan about adding the SAAB 2000.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:25 pm

I was thinking of UA going to ORD from CWA using CRJ, NW uses Saab to go to MSP not ORD, Apodino  Smile .
Dont really matter with current state NW is in, UA may be only one left.
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:39 pm

The fact that there are newer engines running on diesel for light prop aircraft is very exciting indeed, in that, you can run them on BIO-DIESEL.
I myself, have seen such an aircraft being tested, and in my opinion, this is the way of the future.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 22):
Why didn't Air Canada and JetBlue order turboprops? I think the answer is that, frankly, passengers don't really like them and will almost always opt for jets whenever they can.

One of the reasons is that the Q400 is more fuel efficient and almost as quick as RJs on routes of 400 miles or less. On routes longer than 400 miles, RJs have a distinct sped advantage. B6 plans on using the Embraers to fly longer distance routes to cities in the Midwest and Florida, from the rumors we have been hearing. That would make the Q400 ill suited for their operation, but could prove to be a solid market for the larger Embraers, which have longer range and have a speed advantage over turboprops at longer distances. AC is using the E170 in markets like YYC-JFK, a 2,038 mile leg. The Q400 has a max range of 1,362 nm, but pushing that envelope would mean an extremely long flight. For thin, medium distance routes, the choice will remain jets. For regional routes of 500 miles or less, turboprops could be used effectively and more profitably than RJs.

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 22):
Why didn't Air Canada and JetBlue order turboprops? I think the answer is that, frankly, passengers don't really like them and will almost always opt for jets whenever they can.

Actually AC's Ceo made it no secret that he wants the Q-400..
I will try to find that article and post it.

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting AirlineAV8tr (Reply 26):
According to the press release, the want 50 passenger aircraft, and have been talking with Colgan about adding the SAAB 2000.

I've heard talk about that as well.. which would be cool. Then we would see just how great that aircraft really is. The down side is the Saab 2000 is not certifed in the US and they would need to go through all the proving runs again for a 10 year old aircraft.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:43 am

Does anyone know the longest route currently served by a commercial regional turboprop like the ATR-72 or the Dash-8?
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 28):
The fact that there are newer engines running on diesel for light prop aircraft is very exciting indeed, in that, you can run them on BIO-DIESEL.
I myself, have seen such an aircraft being tested, and in my opinion, this is the way of the future.
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Bio-diesel would be a fantastic option, if adopted on a large scale. At this point, I would even be happy seeing bio-diesel blend (x % petroleum diesel and y% bio-diesel) at least start to be used. Fingers crossed, Lhrmaccoll.  Smile
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 32):
Does anyone know the longest route currently served by a commercial regional turboprop like the ATR-72 or the Dash-8?

London-Stockholm (Bromma) in a Dash8-Q400? I don't know really.

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 8):
If the economy was better and fuel prices weren't so high, do you all think turboprops would have this resurgence? I think I should make it clear that I'm not bashing prop jobs, I would hate to see them go, but I feel like the technology is just getting a little obsolete now (but maybe, hopefully, I'm wrong).

To summarize as I see it:
- Turboprops are also jets, but the fan is unducted and has fewer, variable pitch blades. So much for different technologies.
- Under 90 minutes and about 50-80 pax, modern turboprops are about as fast block time and burn less fuel.
- Noise cancelling technologies haven't made props as quiet inside as jets, but it's very bearable and you can talk in a normal tone of voice.
- Fuel prices mean turboprops are the way to go in many cases.
- Many US carriers are now wondering what they were thinking with all those regional jets.
- Turboprops are not dead, nor will they be for a very long time. Unless turbofans make a quantum leap in efficiency, the situation will not change. Also, many advances that affect turbofans also affect turboprops.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:01 am

QX uses the -400 on SEA/PDX-BIL.... Distance of 800-900 miles...
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 15):
I believe the longest route for the Q400 with Horizon is Medford (MFR) to LAX which is 628 miles. The flight time is only 10 -15 minutes longer than the CR700.

Woha... how long has Horizon had a LAX-MFR flight? Had I known about this, I may have visited my grandparents (in Grants Pass) more frequently when I lived in CA (LAX/ONT/LGB to SFO/PDX/SEA to MFR really isn't all that convenient compared to a N/S...)

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 19):
It appears that the market for the Turboprops is recovering.

How is ATR and Bombardier stock doing? That is the real test. Are the money boys (and girls) buying the stock.
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:05 am

To be honest, i love the smell of jet fuel after it's burned. To me it smells like "clean" diesel. But with bio-diesel, i guess the smell of fremch fries won't bother me and bio-diesel is a good idea. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:13 am

To add to my post, if truly smells like french fries using bio-diesel, serve french fries on the flight to promote a "bio-diesel campaign" that it is being used on the aircraft your currently flying on. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 35):
QX uses the -400 on SEA/PDX-BIL.... Distance of 800-900 miles...

Close: SEA-BIL is 662 miles, PDX-BIL is 678 miles. Still in the longer range of turboprop flights.

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RE: Have Turboprops Gone The Way Of The Dodo?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:15 am

Hmmm. It would seem I stupidly used a road map instead of "direct distance". Hehehe...oops... Big grin
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