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Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:29 am

Hey,

Do any of you remember Continentals Pub Flights back in the 80's?

What are your memories?

I have a timetable from 1985 and it shows quite a few pub flights and wine tasting flights?

Can anyone tell me what those are, the timetable did not explain?

Later,

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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:46 am

Pub flights were a blast. I can remember strategically positioning myself in an adjacent row in coach so as soon as the seat belt sign went off I'd sprint to one of the pub seats which were like first class. Some great partying took place.

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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:53 am

The CO DC10 Pub Flights from the west coast to Chicago and Hawaii (and maybe other destinations) had a Bar with couches in the front of First Class and (I think) in the front of Coach. Each Bar was staffed by a Flight Attendant and was open to who ever walked up for a drink, or snack. Very similar to Virgin's Upper Class Bar today, except a little less fancy. This is a 2nd hand recollection.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:18 am

I took a couple of Pub flights...they were really something special.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:47 am

On a similar note, didn't some airline (AA?) have a similar set-up with a piano on some of their transcons? We're talking late 1970s or 1980s sometime, IIRC...
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
didn't some airline (AA?) have a similar set-up with a piano on some of their transcons

Yup, on their 747's.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:57 am

I believe the "Pub" was actually at the back of Y class, in the third cabin. At the back you had a bar and on the sides a sofa or two and some swively club chairs. You also had a generous amount of standing room. I flew on CO DC-10 ORD-LAX in the 70's and this was the setup. They discontinued the pub for awhile and then came back with it. Wonderful idea!

Does anyone remember the CO "foreign" weeks? Where they would have "British" week where they'd serve British food and have BOAC F/A's onboard? Or Swiss week, the same but with Swissair F/A's? This was in the early to mid 70's.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:01 am

I remember when they reintroduced it in the late 80's early 90's
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:05 am

I was on a PUB flight on CO's DC10 BOS-DEN. The Y pub was at the front of the Y cabin. There were breakfast pastries and drinks available.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:08 am

So, for those of us not around for this...care to fill us in? Were all of a particular type equipped with this service or just certain routes? It sounds like a "lounge" type setup?

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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Yup, on their 747's.

Ah, yes, the good old days when Jet-A was only 15 or 20 cents a gallon...

Imagine the annual cost of lugging a piano around today at $2.00+ per gallon...
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:23 am

In fact it was a lounge in the third cabin. Back then CO really knew how to put on excellent service. In fact, the service provided by the CO F/A's was so good that Hugh Hefner or Playboy fame used CO to train the "Bunnies" that worked as F/A's on his personal DC-9, the "Big Bunny". Service of this level doesn't exist anywhere these days.
I seem to remember that only certain flights were labeled as "Pub" flights. I knew at the time on the ORD-LAX route, you had a choice of the 747, DC-10 or 707. On the 707's you were treated to "Hawaiian" themed interior and Hawaiian music would be playing as you were boarding. I believe the flights continued on to HNL after LAX.
Additional item: After the Pub flights were discontinued in the 70's came the "No Frills" service flights.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:43 am

I took a "pub" flight on CO in Oct., 1987 from EWR/HNL with a stop in SFO. What a great place to party! During the SFO/HNL sector, the Pub was THE place to be! It was a very intimate area.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:52 am

My memory of the Pub is that it was in the first zone of the DC-10, on the port side (no pun intended) of the longitudinal galley (that was on the starboard side of the first zone). Some CO DC-10s had a different config. featuring two sets of four seats around a center table in this same area. They may have called that the "Micronesia Room"?
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:04 pm

I believe that when the Pub was first introduced, it was in the third cabin of the DC-10 and 747. When it was reintroduced in the 80's it may have become part of F/C.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:22 pm

Continental offered Pub Flights on there ORD-DEN and ORD-IAH routes in 1985. I am sure they expanded it, I am just going off of a timetable I have. They were featured on the DC-10's. They also had certain flights listed as "Wine Tasting" Flights. What did that entail?
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:41 pm

I flew on "Pub Flights" a number times between IAH and LAX in the mid 80s; they were in DC10s and the "Pub" was in the area between Y and F; as UAL 747-600 observed, you could easily tell the -pub-savvy pax; they positively sprinted to the pub when the seat belt sign was extinguished.

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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:54 pm

Yes, CO had it's "pub" flights. However, the best coach lounge of any was on UA's B747s. B Zone, or the second pax cabin, was totally a coach lounge with sofas, swivel seats around tables and a large bar. You paid for your drinks and an F/A worked just that bar. I also remember they put out a dip and chips for the pax to help themselves. On a West Coast/HNL flight with the F/A's in holomu'us and aloha shirts, polynesian drinks, and Hawaiian Music, it was a great way to avoid the movie! And yes, it was party central. AA had a lounge at the back of their 747's that was fun, but much smaller than UA's. I think UA had a very small lounge at the very end of E Zone, but the B Zone lounge was terrific (I don't think it lasted all that long).
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:59 pm

While I never had the opportunity to be on one of those famous Pub flights, I do still remember their ad campaign during this era...and it was hilarious...

"Sorry, bub...no pub!"
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:16 pm

So this is back in the day when airlines didn't feel obligated to cram a seat into every possible space there is on the plane?

Hmmm, what a novel idea...
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:37 am

As others have said, it was extremely popular until some bean counters determined that more money could be made by putting in seats where the pub was.

In the days before deregulation, all airlines pretty much charged the same price on any given city pair. So therefore they had to do something to stand out to the customer from the other airlines serving the same route. The "Pub" was CO's way of doing this. People would drink way much more alcohol back in those times than they do today.

Other airlines had feature to make themselves stand out:

Braniff had all those wild plane colors and wild F/A uniforms and classy lounges.

TWA had the center seats which if unoccupied could be put down and turned into a large table between the aisle and window seat.

AA & UA advertised their food as gourmet.

[Edited 2006-02-05 16:41:54]
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Thread starter):
...wine tasting flights?
Can anyone tell me what those are...

Wine tasting flight were exactly what the name implies. Typically we would feature Australian wines and would pour a complimentary glass with lunch/dinner in Y/C. Western used to offer Champagne flights.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:33 am

TW also had a piano in the front. They had a lounge like area too on their 747s.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:00 am

Does anyone have a picture of one of these pubs?
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 6):
Does anyone remember the CO "foreign" weeks? Where they would have "British" week where they'd serve British food and have BOAC F/A's onboard? Or Swiss week, the same but with Swissair F/A's? This was in the early to mid 70's.

So Swiss week saw Swiss FAs serving British food?  Wink
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:45 am

Air Jamaica also used to have an inflight bar on the aircraft, famous for serving the famous Red Stripe beer!
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 19):
So this is back in the day when airlines didn't feel obligated to cram a seat into every possible space there is on the plane?

Hmmm, what a novel idea...

This is back in the day when people who loved aviation and airlines ran airlines, as opposed to accountants and investment bankers looking for a short term payoff.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:17 am

I have a photo of the pub- someone emailed it to me. Thank you very much!

It is in black and white and not real clear because it came from a photocopy of a "New York Times" ad from 1985.

Also, I cannot get it to post on here so if you want it I can e-mail it to you. Let me know at [email protected]

Thanks
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:55 am

I didn't know about these flights, but as mentioned above, they sounded great. My father use to travel to the West Coast from Ireland back in the 70's connecting through JFK and the first few times he did it he remembers United use to have a buffet area at the back of their DC-10's and pax were called up by rows to help themselves. He also remembers the champagne flights on Western, but it was on a trip to Vegas so not sure if that was a special route flight.
I also remember an article a few years ago in Airliners magazine which discussed United and the Caravelle, and back in the 60's they used it on some of the City shuttles (ORD-LGA etc) and certain flights were "male only" flights. It didn't go into much details but it sounded like Whiskey and Cigars weren't unusual on these flights, does anybody remember these ones?
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:13 am

Western had Champagne flights throughout their system, especially on the North-South flights from LAX, SFO, and SEA. In fact, the first chapagne flight was in the 50's on a DC-6B "The Queen of the Western Skies", between San Francisco and Seattle. As popularity grew, champagne flights were introduced throughout the system, even on flights into/out of Salt Lake City.

I remember my first champagne flight (I was only 4 years old, and my parents have the pictures, lol) was on 727-200, between LAX and PDX, and it was labeled as a Champagne flight.

CO's pub flights were awesome as well, and lasted well into the Texas Air years, in various forms. I remember my dad taking me from ORD to HNL on a DC-10 (It was the Robert F. Six, OH YEAH!!) and we were sitting in the pub area for most of the flight between ORD and LAX, but didn't get a chance heading to HNL.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Thread starter):
TW also had a piano in the front. They had a lounge like area too on their 747s.
SR

I don't remember ever seeing a piano on TWA's 747 Coach Lounge. But you are right, the lounge was at the front of the coach cabin rather than at the back as with most other carriers.

Some of the TWA 747's continued on to Europe after a trans-con from LAX or SFO to New York. At the time (1970's) IATA rules did not permint coach/economy to offer any type of lounge facility. Across the Atlantic, the Coach Lounge became another First Class lounge.

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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:04 am

Pilot21:

Yes, UA had the "Businessmans Special" flights ORD-LGA. These ran up until 1964 or so. No women allowed, just men. The meal was steak & potato, premium liquors and cigars and if I remember correctly really great pitch on the seats so that you could stretch out. UA used the Caravelle, and the 721 on these routes. The reason no women were allowed (except for the F/A's) was so that the men could "get work done" along the route, meetings, etc.
IMHO it was the fact that many businessmen started taking their wives on their trips or their secrataries and also the up and coming feminist movement that killed these kinds of flights.

On the "Foreign Weeks" on CO, the food and F/A would go with whatever airline was sbeing honored that week. Swiss, swiss F/A & Food, French F/A's & Food, etc. CO used to take out large ads in the major cities (DEN,LAX & ORD) announcing the service for the upcoming weeks.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:09 am

Kinda off-subject here, but others have done so already.... Does anyone remember DL's "Medallion" service? It was a special level of service on longer flights. I was very young back then ('70's), and never got to exeperience it.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 31):
On the "Foreign Weeks" on CO, the food and F/A would go with whatever airline was sbeing honored that week. Swiss, swiss F/A & Food, French F/A's & Food, etc. CO used to take out large ads in the major cities (DEN,LAX & ORD) announcing the service for the upcoming weeks.

So... Did CO send crews and food to the foreign airline to recriprocate, or was it strictly them bringing in the crews from the other airlines?

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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting LGBFltTrainer (Reply 18):
I do still remember their ad campaign during this era...and it was hilarious...

"Sorry, bub...no pub!"

Yeah, I remember that too - great commercial.
My very 1st widebody flight was a CO 747 ORD/LAX in 1973 and it had the pub.
The flight continued to HNL. My return flight was a DC10 and it also had the pub. I remember sitting in one of the lounge chairs watching the Grand Canyon pass by below us while munching on the popcorn they had in bowls at the bar.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:14 am

Lincoln:

I don't know if CO had a reciprocal agreement with the European carriers for this swap. I think this lasted about 6 months or so. It only lasted for a few months.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:24 am

We had a CO "pub" flight on a DC-10 SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO in 1985. I remember they had the walls decorated with Australian style road signs for kangaroos crossing etc.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:54 am

Does anyone know what year the pubs were removed?
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:04 am

There was a rumor that the first set of A300s delivered in summer of 1986 had the plumbing (in the floor, etc.) set up for the pub, but it was never implemented on those aircraft. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:09 am

United's Men only flights between ORD/LGA were "The Chicago Executive" and "The New York Executive." And they were known for their hearty food and beverage service. And hearty beverage service! Many men got home to their wives with quite a buzz on.

My second flight ever was on a Western Champagne Flight from Los Angeles on a DC-6B. I remember my mother was given an orchid. And they poured a lot of Champagne (no other booze in those days IIRC). The entire cabin was smoking. That's just the way it was then. The food was very good with a great steak. I "think" we had tray tables, but could have eaten with a pillow under the tray. Pretty neat for a kid on his second flight. Oh, I think I got a pair of junior wings!

The '60's-'70's were full of airline marketing trials. I remember TW had a revolving service based on cities served. The F/A's wore paper dresses inflight that were supposed to be thematic. IIRC, one was Rome and the F/A's wore a toga-like outfit. And the meal service was an Italian influence. UA had "Sunbird Flights, West Coasters, and of course, Royal Hawaiian Service." This was aside from the usual Red Carpet. At one point, some domestic DC-8's ("Mark IV") were a three class A/C - 2x2F, 2x3?, 3x3Y. That was billed as "Red, White, and Blue." The "Blue Carpet" was around for awhile on Trans-Cons - marketing name for Y cabin. Somewhere I have an OAG from 1964. It has all the "special" service listings for most carriers. AS had the "Golden Nugget Jet" - CV880.

As someone wrote, it was a time when the airlines were managed by people who loved aviation. And yes, all airfares were government regulated. So, "you gotta have a gimick" in this time before IFE and fare wars was your level of inflight "service." Sadly becoming a dinosaur......
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:16 pm

Is there anyone out there in management who still loves their airline and is there for the love of the airline?
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 40):
Is there anyone out there in management who still loves their airline and is there for the love of the airline?

No.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 20):
TWA had the center seats which if unoccupied could be put down and turned into a large table between the aisle and window seat.

I did quite a bit of flying during the 1980's, mostly on TWA; I didn't know this. I never even heard of pub flights ... interesting  scratchchin 

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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 39):
As someone wrote, it was a time when the airlines were managed by people who loved aviation. And yes, all airfares were government regulated. So, "you gotta have a gimick" in this time before IFE and fare wars was your level of inflight "service." Sadly becoming a dinosaur......

I feel that the above nicely sums up why the airlines are suffering like they are, no longer offering a noticeable level of service or care, being run by bean counters....
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 42):
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 20):
TWA had the center seats which if unoccupied could be put down and turned into a large table between the aisle and window seat.

I did quite a bit of flying during the 1980's, mostly on TWA; I didn't know this. I never even heard of pub flights ... interesting

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Most passengers never knew that they could be flipped down by pressing a hidden button in top of the seat.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:39 am

ToTheStars,

I remember those seats! When I first went to work for TWA in STL, there was an L-1011 overnight and I was in the cabin just looking around, and was wondering what this little button on the top of the seat does! I didnt touch it or anything, for fear an alarm might sound, lol.  nosy 
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:56 am

Actually, I remember TW using those seats on their 722's. They were a hot selling feature on their ORD-NYC flights. Just as you said, they would fill those seats last and if nobody was in the middle, you could have a large table complete with drink holder holes in then right next to you. Soon after TWA had them a few other airlines had them.
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:47 am

Continental's Pub flights were great. August of 1973, our family took a vacation to Hawaii. We flew LAX-Hilo on a CO Boeing 720, spent 10 days in the islands, then flew HNL-LAX on a CO 747 with Pub service. Bowls and bowls of popcorn and lots of soft drinks. It made the 5 hour flight go by way too quickly. Those were the good old days.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:23 pm

Boy I am sorry to have missed the pubs, sounds like a great time  Sad Unfortunately CO had very little service from where I lived in the 1980's (DTW). On a side note, I recall my father telling me about flying in the 70's to the West Coast from DTW, either AA or UA on 747's with a deli sandwich bar. Does anybody else have any recolection of this? Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Continental Airlines Pub Flights

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:36 pm

"On a side note, I recall my father telling me about flying in the 70's to the West Coast from DTW, either AA or UA on 747's with a deli sandwich bar. "

WOW,

I bet Jared from Subway would approve of that!

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