I see many posts in this thread that are angry that WN
is meeting with Pheonix representatives. Why? Southwest is a business. Once upon a time AA
moved their HQ
... to Dallas, for economic and some say political reasons. Why not have WN
move their HQ
for economic and some would say political reasons.
The fact is that WN
isn't getting much local support for the Wright appeal. Love or hate Wright, WN
has a point here. Yes, Dallas must toe a line and AA
is the bigger Gorrila in their backyard. Ok. Then WN
needs to move to where they will be the big Gorrila.
|Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 15):|
Whats wrong with a veiled threat. You make it sound like its bad for WN to do that. I'm not exactly sure why it is. If WN really wants to get the Wright Ammendment repealed, they would be stupid not to use this and every other tactic in they can.
Its business. Every big company does this. I don't always like it, but I understand the practice.
|Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 31):|
I think if Houston made even a decent attempt to compete with PHX, LAS or MDW that they would stand a better chance of landing the headquarters. The cost of living is so much lower in Houston than those other cities and most people in Dallas have friends and family in Houston.
|Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 33):|
Believe you me there has been nothing slowing down in Las Vegas for the past 12 years.. and then some. What is not growing outwards, is growing upwards. Las Vegas has already overtaken Phoenix in size, and in prestige. Las Vegas, has even begun to cast a shadow on Southern California.
|Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 2):|
Don't be surprised if Denver tries to sneak in here. There are a lot of Hq moves that come down to competition between DEN and PHX.
I think Pandoras box is being opened... (Remember, the last thing out is hope.) If WN
is hit with a bunch of offers to move their headquarters, the reality is one or more of those offers will be more cost effective than staying at DAL
w/Wright.... or should I say any Wright that doesn't allow connections and direct flights to Florida and WN
's other largest stations.
Who would bid for WN
, possibly MDW
(but Illinois doesn't have as friendly a tax structure as the other states) and a few others. I agree that one will see a *bunch* of dark horse contenders like ABQ
It doesn't matter that WN
could move to DFW
. Their economic models say its better to expand elsewhere due to AA
's strength at DFW
. You're welcome to disagree. But at some point, a company needs to stop being hit by "analysis paralysis" and act.
|Quoting Legend500 (Reply 78):|
- Phoenix is too small a city in too small a state to compete, other Dallas-area cities, Houston and Chicago could be in the hunt.
??? Just passed Philidelphia in population. And LAS
have the most connections in the WN
system. The economy in Pheonix is a steamroller. Don't forget that very few places can compete with Pheonix in economic growth (yes, LAS
are there... but you get my point).
|Quoting Legend500 (Reply 78):|
- SWA has sunk hundreds of millions into DAL recently. A move is therefore poppycock.
The first rule of economic planning is to forget what you've spent in the past and to only look at the future cost/benifit plan, ROI, etc. Yes, that money makes it toughter to move the HQ
. If Wright stays in place for more than 24 more months... expect WN
to move. That simple.
|Quoting Scoljet (Reply 73):|
As a side note, WN approached Wichita KS, (ICT) about being a focus city years ago before the WA. At the time the city turned them down!! No wonder we cant get decent mainline service in or out of here!
Really? Do you have a link? Man, I will be flying in and out of ICT
a bunch this year and would have loved to have higher frequency service from *anyone.* While UA
's times are ok for me, they could be better.
|Quoting Cjpark (Reply 77):|
Personally I don't think WN needs a deal from Dallas or anywhere else. They pay much less than they should to the city coffers.
Perhaps that is true enough that it will be tough to justify the economics of a HQ
move... We'll see. Like I said, I give this 24 months. Less if *any* city makes the right offer to WN
|Quoting Okie (Reply 59):|
Florida, Texas, Nevada, Alaska, South Dakota, Washington, Wyoming has no State income tax.
Nice link. Thanks. Ummm... no offense, but I think we can rule out Alaska for the HQ
A little off path to fly crews for training...
Not to mention the lack of WN
stations. Nice info in the post overall. Note: I expect states to dicker and cut tax deals packaged as investment incentives...