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Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:03 am

What is the largest carrier with no flag carrier or without one that represents the country? (Like one that doesnt serve the country well)
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:06 am

Well Viasa going under has hampered Venezuela.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:08 am

This might sound weird but SK as they represent the 3 Scandinavian countries but not one in perticular, maybe I'm wrong about that but it would make sense as it represents their 3 countries 'equally'
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 2):
This might sound weird but SK as they represent the 3 Scandinavian countries but not one in perticular, maybe I'm wrong about that but it would make sense as it represents their 3 countries 'equally'

Gulf Air was the same story. It originally was the national carrier of Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Oman.

Qatar pulled out in 2002 and the Abu Dhabi (one of the 7 emirates of the UAE) pulled out last September leaving it the national carrier of just Bahrain and Oman (which also has a smaller national carrier, Oman Air).
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:17 am

I think the USA would win this one easily!


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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:41 am

Cambodia has been a bit of a graveyard for several start ups.

President Airlines has thus far outlived the competition and Thailand's PG seem to be exploiting the dearth of local carriers.
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:44 am

Largest "Country" without a "flag" carrier..........Canada
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:45 am

My vote is for Mongolia.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:10 am

America... that would be my guess. In my dreams, UA/AA would merge and "American Airlines" would be the american airline.
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:29 am

Tchad is a large country without a flag carrier
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
My vote is for Mongolia.

They have national carrier, MIAT Mongolian Airlines.

http://www.miat.com

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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:48 am

I never thought i'd be replying to my own thread but I realized Haiti If they ever got an airline I would think these routes might work:

PAP-MIA with like A300/A321/739/753 sized aircraft
PAP-FLL with like A319/73G
PAP-NAS with like A319/73G or Q-400/CRJ-700/E-170
PAP-JFK with like A319/73G
PAP-CAP/PAX with Q300/ATR-42
PAP-SDQ/Santiago with like DASH-8
PAP-CDG with A310/762

and maybe even PAP-DTW and BOS as YUL, CAP-PAP, MHH
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 11):
I never thought i'd be replying to my own thread but I realized Haiti If they ever got an airline I would think these routes might work:

Lets get the "situation" in Haiti back on its feet, tourists back to PAP and im sure in the future Haiti will have its own National airline.
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 11):
I never thought i'd be replying to my own thread but I realized Haiti If they ever got an airline I would think these routes

I am sure that Haiti doesn't belong to the group of large countries
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:10 pm

I am not sure it is classified as their flag carrier but Myanmar Airways International serving regional routes may qualify.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting CP744 (Reply 6):
Largest "Country" without a "flag" carrier..........Canada

HUH???

Air C-A-N-A-D-A??

Elaborate please?
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 1):
Well Viasa going under has hampered Venezuela.

I believe Santa Barbara was named Venezuela's flag carrier.


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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:42 pm

Please explain what a 'flag carrier' is, or 'one that 'represents the country' ??

Does USA have one?
Who does?


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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 17):
Please explain what a 'flag carrier' is, or 'one that 'represents the country' ??

Does USA have one?
Who does?

I guess a flag carrier means the airline the flies and represents for that country.

Off the top of my head these are the flag carriers and countries that they belong to: (Forgive me if I have gotten some of them wrong or have misenterpated the question)

England = Virgin Atlantic
Spain = Iberia
France = Air France
Russia = Aeroflot
Brazil = Varig
Argentina = Aerolineas Argentinas
Chile = LAN
Korea = Korean Air
Malaysia = Malaysia Airlines
Fiji = Air Pacific
Singapore = Singapore Airlines
Thailand = Thai Air
South Africa = South African Airways
New Zealand = Air New Zealand
Australia = Qantas
Tahiti = Air Tahiti Nui
Israel = El Al
Bahrain = Gulf Air
Egypt = Egypt Air
Qatar = Qatar Airways
Germany = Lufthansa
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 18):
I guess a flag carrier means the airline the flies and represents for that country.

No, I don 't get the question, sorry!

Virgin??? not BA???

The question does not make any sense.

So some airlines have the country in their name?
Some airlines are subsidized by the country ??


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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 18):

England = Virgin Atlantic

This would be BA not VS. Both are legally Flag Carriers I think.
The FAA uses Flag Carrier as an airline that can have international flights or something like that right?
A flag carrier is just an airline which represents the country. Pan Am used to be Americas flag Carrier but since they went under there is no clear cut winner. But AA is my vote for the US because it is the largest airline int he World and does have the United States colors.
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 17):
Please explain what a 'flag carrier' is, or 'one that 'represents the country' ??
Does USA have one?
Who does?

The USA has a lot of flag carriers, this is an oficial designation given by i dont know who, but some government agency. I believe the latest airline to apply and get it was Frontier with the addition of a route to ANC, which required them to be a flag carrier, due to flying over Canada and international airspace.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 20):
This would be BA not VS. Both are legally Flag Carriers I think.

I believe that in England (although correct me if im wrong) a "flag carrier" is also an official designation, and according to the queen that officially does indeed belong to Virgin Atlantic and not British Airways.

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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:29 pm

Easy Australia - QF is fricking hopeless & incredibly inefficient & the only way to beocme efficeint is to have a big fight with the unions.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:51 pm

Me thinks Norway is under-represented by SK. Most if not all long-haul traffic is routed via ARN or CPH. Back in the day, Braathen was a proud airline in Norway until SK bought them up... some much for antitrust laws. Isn't Wideroe under SAS also?


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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:13 pm

England - Have ot be British Airways - no comment
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:57 pm

Quoting ANX4fishing (Reply 23):
Isn't Wideroe under SAS also?

Widerøe belong to the groupe SAS as well as SAS Braathens ,but Norway is also very proude to have Noewegian airlines as well
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 20):
This would be BA not VS. Both are legally Flag Carriers I think.
The FAA uses Flag Carrier as an airline that can have international flights or something like that right?

Glad you cleared the debate up with that summation.

I think this definition will clear things up for everyone:

Flag carrier-A transportation company, such as a shipping or airline company, that is registered in a given state. Example: "American Airlines, while a private firm, is a U.S. flag carrier."

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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 8):
In my dreams, UA/AA would merge and "American Airlines" would be the american airline.

Hmmm. Less competition, higher prices, worse service... sounds like a nightmare to me.

I do agree though that the US is the largest country without an airline that serves the country well.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:30 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 27):
Hmmm. Less competition, higher prices, worse service... sounds like a nightmare to me.

I do agree though that the US is the largest country without an airline that serves the country well.

What is your definition of a flag carrier?


Now that you've answered, try applying that to your previous comment.
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:42 pm

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 28):
What is your definition of a flag carrier?



Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
What is the largest carrier with no flag carrier or without one that represents the country? (Like one that doesnt serve the country well)
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:59 pm

Someone needs to clarify the definition of a flag carrier, this forum seems to be all over the place.
To answer your question, Peru comes to mind as its major airlines are subsidiaries of foreign airlines (TACA Peru and LAN Peru). Also, most flights into the country are operated by foreign carriers as well. American and LAN dominate most of it's international traffic. Just my thoughts.
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 27):
Hmmm. Less competition, higher prices, worse service... sounds like a nightmare to me.

Not too me... if their prices went up, maybe actually they could MAKE some money and eventually everything would acheive equilibrium
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 29):
Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 28):
What is your definition of a flag carrier?



Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
What is the largest carrier with no flag carrier or without one that represents the country? (Like one that doesnt serve the country well)

So your answer for a question is a question....??

Also, which one of these airlines do not represent the U.S. well (whatever MD90fan meant when he said that)??
-American,
-Delta
-United
-Continental
-Northwest
-US Airways

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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting ANX4fishing (Reply 23):
Me thinks Norway is under-represented by SK. Most if not all long-haul traffic is routed via ARN or CPH. Back in the day, Braathen was a proud airline in Norway until SK bought them up... some much for antitrust laws. Isn't Wideroe under SAS also?

Norway just doesn't have that much critical mass for intercontinental service. My highest guess for the catchment area for OSL (people who use OSL as starting point for long-haul travel) would be 2,5 Million people. 2,5 Million rich people, but it's still not too much. For AMS for example 16 Million people (more or less the complete population) select AMS as a starting point for international travel. Also of course, London, Paris/Ile de France and the German Ruhr area outnumber greater Oslo area by large numbers.

For quite some norwegian people, BGO, SVG or TRD are starting points of their travel, for them it does not matter to transfer in OSL, CPH or AMS.

I think Norwegian, still growing, is a strong competitor for SAS Braathens in Norway, so I don't see any antitrust issues. Wideroe mostly flies subsidised air routes, so there anti-trust/competition is not even an issue.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 30):
Someone needs to clarify the definition of a flag carrier, this forum seems to be all over the place.

The topic of what defines a 'flag carrier' pops up on a.net at least every month. A search of archived civil aviation will give you a few threads and suggested definitions.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 18):
England = Virgin Atlantic

Virgin is certainly not the UK's flag carrier, as has been repeatedly pointed out in the past. For starters, it is 49% owned by SQ and the remaining 51% is owned through off-shore private trusts, set up to avoid exposure to UK taxation.
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:36 pm

Well in the US it's pretty much every US airline:

"U.S. Flag Air Carrier. The term "U.S. flag air carrier" means an air carrier holding a certificate under section 401 of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 (49 U.S.C. App. 1371)."

I think that covers all the legacies and some...


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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 18):
Off the top of my head these are the flag carriers and countries that they belong to:

Well your name is AlitaliaMD11 and you forgot:
Italy: Alitalia
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Quite strange isn't it?

I mean... Alitalia is still not really Efficient so it deserves its place in the list...

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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 33):
For quite some norwegian people, BGO, SVG or TRD are starting points of their travel, for them it does not matter to transfer in OSL, CPH or AMS.

Think of me Joost,i live in TOS and i suffer a lot with two transfers every time i have to travel to a destination not served directly from OSL,is it fair?
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:05 pm

I think the term 'flag carrier' has been carried into aviation from the maritime industry, where a ship is required to display the flag of the country of registration whenever it enters a port.....

As such, many airlines choose to paint the flag of their country on the exterior and may be termed as 'flag carrier' of that nation, although there is no requirement (to the best of my knowledge) in civil avaition, that an airline display the flag of its country of regn.....

In India, AI, IC, 9W and S2 are all flag bearers by that definition.....
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:09 pm

How about Gabon? Last thing I remember hearing is something about a Moroccan company starting a flag carrier their some time soon. anybody have any details?
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 36):
Well your name is AlitaliaMD11 and you forgot:
Italy: Alitalia

Woops, my bad!  embarrassed 

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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:38 pm

Hmmm....I don't know whether to consider Belgium a "large" country or not and what has become of Sabena as of late, but I don't think Belgium has much of a "flag carrier" ever since Sabena went belly up.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:46 pm

Interesting thoughts about VS and BA? They both serve well England (LON and MAN), but what about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?

Are they true British flag carrier serving UK well - or are they "just" English flag carriers?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 41):
Hmmm....I don't know whether to consider Belgium a "large" country or not and what has become of Sabena as of late, but I don't think Belgium has much of a "flag carrier" ever since Sabena went belly up.

I would think SN Brussels would count as Belgium's flag carrier?


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Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 40):
On every nose of Virgin Atlantics fleet it says "Brtian's Flag Carrier"

That is Branson's claim that goes back to the 1990s when BA was thinking of dropping "British" from its name in order to appeal more to non-British passengers. Branson, as is cutomary to gain publicity at other's expense, seized on the opportunity and promptly stated that Virgin planes would fly the flag for Britain.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:54 am

In D.R Congo they have one private carrier, Hewa Bora. They mainly fly overseas to either Brussels and JNB.

But it's not the flag carrier and DR Congo doesn't have any, depsite the fact that Kinshasa is a one of the most populated city in Africa.

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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:55 am

My understanding of the term "flag carrier" is that it dates back to the days of governmental control or regulation - either the state-owned carrier or one designated by the government would "fly the flag" on international routes. Nowadays the term is almost completely meaningless, except for Branson marketing purposes.

A list:

Canada - Air Canada (formerly Trans-Canada Airlines)
USA - Pan Am
Mexico - Aeromexico
Cuba - Cubana
Jamaica - Air Jamaica
Trinidad & Tobago - BWIA
Bahamas - Bahamasair
Netherlands Antilles - ALM
Guatemala - Aviateca
El Salvador - TACA
Honduras - SAHSA
Nicaragua - LANICA
Costa Rica - LACSA
Panama - COPA

Colombia - Avianca
Venezuela - VIASA
Ecuador - Equatoriana
Peru - Faucett
Brasil - Varig
Bolivia - LAB
Chile - LAN
Uruguay - PLUNA
Argentina - Aerolineas Argentina

Iceland - Icelandair
Ireland - Aer Lingus
UK - British Airways (formerly BOAC/BEA)
Portugal - TAP
Spain - Iberia
France - Air France
Belgium - SABENA
Netherlands - KLM
Switzerland - Swissair
Italy - Alitalia
Austria - Austrian
Germany - Lufthansa (and Interflug for former E. Germany)
Poland - LOT
Czechoslovakia/Czech republic - CSA
Hungary - Malev
Romania - Tarom
Yugoslavia - JAT
Bulgaria - Balkan
Greece - Olympic
Norway, Sweden, Denmark - SAS
Finland - Finnair
Soviet Union - Aeroflot

Morocco - RAM
Algeria - Air Algerie
Tunisia - Tunisair
Libya - Libyan Arab
Egypt - Egyptair
Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Benin, Togo, Central African Republic, Congo-Brazzaville - Air Afrique
Ghana - Ghana Airways
Nigeria - Nigeria Airways
Sudan - Sudan Airways
Ethiopia - Ethiopian
Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania - East African Airways (later split into Kenya + Air Tanzania)
Angola - TAAG
Congo - Air Congo
Namibia - Air Namibia
Mozambique - LAM
South Africa - SAA/SAL
Madagascar - Air Madagascar
Comoros - Air Comores
Mauritius - Air Mauritius

Turkey - THY
Syria - Syrianair
Lebanon - MEA
Israel - El Al
Jordan - Royal Jordanian (formerly Alia)
Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabian (formerly Saudia)
Yemen - Yemenia
Oman, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi - Gulf Air
Dubai - Emirates
Qatar - Qatar Airways
Kuwait - Kuwait Airways
Iraq - Iraqi
Iran - Iran Air
Afghanistan - Ariana
Pakistan - PIA
India - Air India
Bhutan - Druk Air
Bangladesh - Biman
Thailand - Thai
Malaysia - MAS
Singapore - Singapore Airlines
Brubei - Royal Air Brunei
Indonesia - Garuda
Vietnam - Vietnam Airlines
Papua New Guinea - Air Niugini
Philippines - Philippines
New Caledonia - AirCalin
China - CAAC (became Air China)
Hong Kong - Cathay Pacific
Taiwan - China Airlines
N. Korea - Air Koryo
S. Korea - Korean Air
Japan - JAL

Australia - Qantas
New Zealand - Air New Zealand
Fiji - Air Pacific
Tahiti - Air Tahiti Nui

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CRFLY
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:22 am

Costa Rica has no flag carrier anymore, as LACSA doesn't exist as a company but as a brand name, part of Grupo Taca...

Back in the 90's, the Costa Rican government gave the title of "Costarican Flag carrier" to Aero Costa Rica, as LACSA was already bought by TACA...

With Grupo Taca as the only carrier in the region, there is not a flag carrier of Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua... TACA is based in El Salvador and it's the Salvadorian Flag Carrier...
In Guatemala however, Tikal tried to become the flag carrier, but fierce competition of TACA didn't let them grow... too sad!!!
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 47):

With Grupo Taca as the only carrier in the region, there is not a flag carrier of Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua... TACA is based in El Salvador and it's the Salvadorian Flag Carrier...
In Guatemala however, Tikal tried to become the flag carrier, but fierce competition of TACA didn't let them grow... too sad!!!

I agree, but in this era of privatisation and deregulation the idea of every country having their own "international representative" is pretty much dead. There are a few holdouts - Alitalia, Olympic, and a state-run airlines in the "developing" world, but their numbers will continue to dwindle in favour of the free market.
 
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RE: Largest Country With No/efficient Flag Carrier?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:36 am

Looking at these photos . . .

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. . . it seems clear that British Airways is a German flag carrier!!!

I do not know the local legal situations but it seems to me from observation that some countries - Germany and Switzerland being examples - require all aircraft registered in those countries to carry the national flag. Other countries - the UK and the USA are examples - apparently do not.

This surely means that all German and Swiss aircraft are 'Flag Carriers'. The preceding photos illustrate this point. So all Airbus aircraft built at Hamburg have therefore been German flag carriers while carrying their test registration.

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