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Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:25 am

I thought I'd share this video with you.

http://flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=4787

This has got to be the most interesting cockpit, and the most entertaining flight crew ever  Smile

"The Il-62 is one of the largest aircraft without powered flight controls: all moving surfaces are controlled by direct cable links."
What a plane... it is still in service with cubana!
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:57 am

Thanks for posting that wonderful video!!! A truly fascinating experience. Even though i'm a native speaker of Spanish and English, the external noise was drowning out quite a bit of audio. I did understand "Bermuda" and I think Manchester. Did the flight originate from La Habana? Where was it heading? I believe it was Cubana 424. Thanks a lot. Seemed like a really nice friendly crew.

-Vik-

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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:03 am

I think the flight is heading from somewhere in the states (can cubana land in the states?) to havana, since the it was taken "shortly after takeoff".
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:09 am

Rolfen:
Awesome!
I've been on Cubana's IL-62. That was one of the best flights I've ever been on. That is the first time I've seen a live cockpit video of an IL-62.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:17 am

Here are some more videos.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/search...eos.php?airline=Cubana+De+Aviacion

They are communicating with New York ATC, and according to the caption they are heading towards Copenhagen and Manchester. Very interesting indeed!!
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:26 am

I wonder if Cubana's IL-62M's instrument panel labels are in Cyrillic or are translated into the Latin Alphabet either in English or Spanish. Must be hard for their pilots. Having to learn English as well as the Russian (Cyrillic alphabet) though I noticed the Captain was giving the names of the instruments in English i.e. "navigation light"..etc. Well, at least Cuba is a civilized country and uses the metric system unlike here in the US. It is absolutely pathetic. I am an Aeronautical Engineer and I can tell you working in Metric Units is absolutely fantastic compared to the English System which the English don't even use anymore!!!

[Edited 2006-03-10 01:28:20]
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:40 am

I have never seen a 4 engine, aft mounted engine plane -- what is it's range, speed, etc -- I suppose, since I'm a US citizen, I'll never get to fly on one but it looks like a fascinating plane. What era, in US flight terms? It's a jet, but the technology is less than a dc-9
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:33 am

US may be the only country in the world that uses English measures for non-aviation purposes.

Most other countries use partial metric system in Aviation such as aircraft weight measures etc.

But if you want to work totally in metric system in aviation, you have to go to Russia, China or one of their (former) puppets such as Cuba.

[Edited 2006-03-10 02:41:22]
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:58 am

These clips comes from the www.justplanes.com DVD. I´m sure those pilots got their training in Sovietunion/Russia so Kyrillic shouldn´t be a problem.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:03 pm

Quoting Rolfen (Thread starter):
it is still in service with cubana!

Air Koryo still operate the IL-62 as well, if you search on flightlevel350.com there is an excellent in-flight video from a passenger perspective. Those engines really do whine on approach!

There are also plenty of governments in African/CIS states operating the IL62.

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 2):
I think the flight is heading from somewhere in the states (can cubana land in the states?) to havana, since the it was taken "shortly after takeoff".

I don't believe Cubana can land in the states, they did (not sure if they still do) fly into YYZ. This used to be with IL-62s but more recently was an A320 leased from TACA.

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 6):
I have never seen a 4 engine, aft mounted engine plane -- what is it's range, speed, etc -- I suppose, since I'm a US citizen, I'll never get to fly on one but it looks like a fascinating plane. What era, in US flight terms? It's a jet, but the technology is less than a dc-9

There's also the VC10, which the IL62 is a copy of, and is still in service with the RAF.

I know they can do transatlantic flights, they have been over in Europe before.

Cheers,
Noel
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting Noelg (Reply 9):
There's also the VC10, which the IL62 is a copy of, and is still in service with the RAF.

Incorrect!
The IL-62 is NOT a copy of the VC-10.
That's like saying the 767 is a copy of the A300.
The IL-62 was the Soviet Union's answer to the 707 and DC-8. Yet the IL-62 can land on softet runways and can land without the landing gear. The 707, DC-8 nor VC-10 can do such.
The VC-10 was designed for hot & high conditions in parts of Africa and other former British colonies.

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 6):
I suppose, since I'm a US citizen, I'll never get to fly on one

Bull!
You can do what ever you want!
I am a U.S. citizen and I've flown on an IL-62.
If you want to be a good American boy and not fly Cubana, there are several other IL-62 operators that are safe in Russia and other Eastern European countries.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:45 pm

I watched this video several times. The man recording is from Manchester. I not sure were they are going but they are near Bermuda. The Captain talks to New York center and ask for a Radio check which was cool how he said it.
"New York Cubana 442"
Also you hear the call sign Biscayne which is Miami Air.
The Captain English was pretty good with the ATC but besides for that it was not so great. It was a very intresting video. One of my favourites.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:03 pm

Superfly

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
The IL-62 was the Soviet Union's answer to the 707 and DC-8. Yet the IL-62 can land on softet runways and can land without the landing gear. The 707, DC-8 nor VC-10 can do such

I think you will find that any aircraft can land without their gear,but it is very hard to get them to take off again

little vc10
 Smile
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:54 pm

Great video. Can't wait for Fidel to croak so everyone can get over their "Cuba-phobia". The crew seemed like a normal airline cockpit crew. It'd be nice to have a couple of cervezas with them and compare notes.

I'd love to fly one of the Russian airliners to compare handling qualities. The unpowered controls wouldn't bother me (the MD80 is unpowered and it flies fine). It's got to be a hoot!

I'll have nightmares about that F/E panel, though...  crazy  TC
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Rolfen (Thread starter):
The Il-62 is one of the largest aircraft without powered flight controls: all moving surfaces are controlled by direct cable links.

I wonder how does the autopilot handle it?

And with regards to the possibility of Cyrillic alphabet, I know that most, if not all Cuban pilots trained in the Soviet Union so they must be able to speak Russian. I don't know if they still train in Russia though, very well may be a possibility. Also, I'd assume that Cubans learn, or at least used to learn Russian in school. That was true in Eastern Europe, China, and North Korea so I'd doubt Cuba was an exception.

Anyway, great video, thanks for sharing.

Leo.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:55 am

Hi Rolfen
thanks to share this awesome video with us,and the IL-62 is amazing ....i flew once SU IL-62 from SVO to SCL with stops in LUX , SNN and MIA,i enjoyed this plane a lot
Regards
Alex!!!  wave 
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 14):
I wonder how does the autopilot handle it?

Using electric servo motors, I'd guess. I think you can see the autopilot in action during the movie, you can see the control wheel slightly move, and the f.o. doest seem to be flying it, so it has got to be the autopilot... unless there's no autopilot on these things Big grin (just kidding).

That's russian technology. it may not look as fancy as a boeing 777, but it does exactly the same thing  Smile
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:37 am

That F/E panel looks a control room for a nuclear reactor.

Remember "Lee back here on the PANEL" (the video a few weeks back of the Arrow Air crew)? That 'ol boy would have his hands full at that Soviet work of art!
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:41 am

I think people forget that with the exception of the rudder which had servo assist the B707 flying controls were cable operated and yes it did have balance panels to help with the loads , but it was mechanical flying controls.
I would imagine the IL-62 had some sort of servo tab or mechanical assistance to.

The IL-62 could not have been a copy of the VC-10 otherwise it would have been better, however in sophistication in all areas of design the VC-10 was well ahead of the IL-62

Now that should stir things up

little vc10  devil 
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:31 am

that was SO cool!

I just wish that there was a better shot of the flight attendants uniform. I have never seen a CUBANA uniform.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:53 am

Does anybody know, does that plane actually have autopilot? With the flight controls somewhat literally 'Fly By *wire*'
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Byronsterk (Reply 20):
Does anybody know, does that plane actually have autopilot? With the flight controls somewhat literally 'Fly By *wire*'


It sure has an autopilot. Ever heard about analog computers?  Smile
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Byronsterk (Reply 20):
Does anybody know, does that plane actually have autopilot? With the flight controls somewhat literally 'Fly By *wire*'

Yes, it does... a rather good one for its time, too.

The black panel under the First Officer's left hand is the AP pilot interface.

http://www.if-interflug.de/Deutsch/Flotte/PK/il62_0701.jpg

Quoting Tu144d (Reply 5):
I wonder if Cubana's IL-62M's instrument panel labels are in Cyrillic or are translated into the Latin Alphabet either in English or Spanish

The IL-62Ms have English panels. The rest of the Russian fleet in Cubana are are labelled in Russian Cyrillic.

Cubana's new IL-96-300s have English panels, too.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:28 am

I liked the unducted fans. The ones blowing air around in the cockpit, I mean.  Smile

No 'plane better deserves it's NATO nickname than the -62. "Classic" is right.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:44 am

What a nice video, I also think the F/A was kinda cute.
The Pilot spoke with a totally recognizable Cuban accent.. he seems to be a really nice guy.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
The IL-62 is NOT a copy of the VC-10.
That's like saying the 767 is a copy of the A300.
The IL-62 was the Soviet Union's answer to the 707 and DC-8. Yet the IL-62 can land on softet runways and can land without the landing gear. The 707, DC-8 nor VC-10 can do such.
The VC-10 was designed for hot & high conditions in parts of Africa and other former British colonies.

It may not be an exact copy but the influence of the VC-10 over the IL-62 is undoubtable, not only the engines location and number, also the really big wing (which helps the VC-10 carry on with their objectives of the high and hot colonies) and overall "feeling". I don't know technical aspects, but from my view is quite clear the influence of the VC-10 over the IL-62, not saying it was an exact copy.

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 14):
And with regards to the possibility of Cyrillic alphabet, I know that most, if not all Cuban pilots trained in the Soviet Union so they must be able to speak Russian. I don't know if they still train in Russia though, very well may be a possibility. Also, I'd assume that Cubans learn, or at least used to learn Russian in school. That was true in Eastern Europe, China, and North Korea so I'd doubt Cuba was an exception.

I've seen come pictures of Russian Airplanes cockpits in Cuba, some have the cyrillic alphabet indeed, some others have signs glued over every instrument and gauge saying what it is. I recall one Antonov that has a paper sign glued to the throttle that says "Marcha" (Marcha = Throttle in Spanish).

[Edited 2006-03-10 22:49:42]
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:10 am

Cubana's IL-62Ms and IL-96-300s have English panels...

Cubana 1

Cubana 2

[Edited 2006-03-11 00:11:42]

[Edited 2006-03-11 00:13:26]

[Edited 2006-03-11 00:13:44]
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:44 am

The Il-62 wasn't a copy of the VC-10. The Il-62 was developed to replace the Tu-114. When Ilyushin sat down to build it they got a direct order/wish from ruler of USSR Krushchev for the plane to be a T-tail because he had really loved his recent experience in a Caravelle. Also, pylons for engine mounts weren't developed at all except on an Il-22 prototype that was abandoned. The basic Il-62 could be said that it wasn't technologically new at all. It doesn't have hydraulic boosters. It sometimes had to rely on a 3500 water weight in the front of the plane so that it's center of gravity is acceptable. The main gear was purposely put in front of the center of gravity to make the tail a smaller size which then required the famous "fourth gear". The basic Il-62 also had no slats and one-slotted flaps(for lack of a better term). Anyway the only thing that the Il-62 did have at the time that was probably better than the VC-10 was the wing(not wing mechanization). The leading edge had a unique "break" which helped increase elevator efficiency, served partly as slots, and made it almost impossible for the plane to go into the dangerous T-tail condition known as deep stall. Basic Il-62 had 4 NK-8 engines and a range of 7000km. NK-8s have a bypass ratio of 1.24 and 103kN of thrust each and fuel flow of about 0.78lb/lb-h at cruise power. The VC-10 meanwhile was more technologically advanced than the Il-62. It had hydraulic boosters, no 4th gear, double-slotted flaps, and autopilot. The Conways were a little better in fuel economy than the NK-8s. Conways have a bypass ratio of 0.3 and 74.5 kN of thrust 0.735 lb/lb-h fuel flow. But the VC-10 flew 8100km, about 1000 more than the Il-62. They both had thrust reversers. The Il-62 was built more like a tank to suit the underdeveloped Soviet airfields and the VC-10 was made so it can serve "hot and high" destinations although the Il-62 could do that too. The VC-10 also had a faster cruising speed. The IL-62M was then developed to improve Il-62 performance. D-30KUs were installed which were far better than Conways. They have a bypass ratio of 2.42 and make 108kN of thrust. Fuel flow is 0.70 lb/lb-h. Also their reversers could now be deployed in flight. New navigation equipment was fitted, autopilot, and double-slotted flaps. No hydraulic boosters. To this day every Il-62 flying is flown manually without hydraulic boost. The Il-62M had a bigger range now extended to 8800km. The Il-62M is equal if not better than the VC-10 but the basic Il-62 wasn't that great and 2 of the basic ones are still flying today. The Super VC-10 was just a stretch and range actually dropped to 7600km on the Super 10. Both planes seated the same number of passengers. Anyway in short the basic Il-62 was inferior to the VC-10 but the Il-62M went slightly ahead of it and currently still makes a profit so it isn't too bad at all.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 26):
and made it almost impossible for the plane to go into the dangerous T-tail condition known as deep stall.

I had read in a book that the first IL-62s incurred in more time of development because they needed fixes regarding their tendency to deep stall as well as the VC-10...
what about that?
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:11 am

Thanks everyone  Smile

Quoting Henny (Reply 22):

There's a thing right in the middle of the cockpit in the place where you usually have the autopilot panel. It looks like a big viewfinder or a periscope... any idea what it is?
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 14):



Quoting Levg79 (Reply 14):
And with regards to the possibility of Cyrillic alphabet, I know that most, if not all Cuban pilots trained in the Soviet Union so they must be able to speak Russian. I don't know if they still train in Russia though, very well may be a possibility. Also, I'd assume that Cubans learn, or at least used to learn Russian in school. That was true in Eastern Europe, China, and North Korea so I'd doubt Cuba was an exception.

The main foreing language taught at Cuban schools is English, not Russian. During the 80's Russian was introduced to some schools but without much success. Cuban students start receiving English classes at 7th Grade all the way to the 12th Grade . People going to college get two more years of English language as part of their career study curriculum . Russian is not in anyways a common language in Cuba
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 27):
I had read in a book that the first IL-62s incurred in more time of development because they needed fixes regarding their tendency to deep stall as well as the VC-10...
what about that?

Yes...that was apparent on the prototypes. It was fixed with the redesigned wing I mentioned.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 30):
Yes...that was apparent on the prototypes. It was fixed with the redesigned wing I mentioned.

I see, thank you very much
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:05 pm

According to everyone I know that is learning Russian - Russian is hard to learn. But the thing is that all of Cuba's pilots studied/study (they still do) in the USSR and now Russia. When Cubana recieved their first IL-96, they had an interview with the chief pilot on the news - this guy was speaking PERFECT Russian. I thought that he was one of Illyushin's pilots untill the caption said "Cubana Chief pilot".
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:02 pm

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 28):
There's a thing right in the middle of the cockpit in the place where you usually have the autopilot panel. It looks like a big viewfinder or a periscope... any idea what it is?

Weather radar.
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting Henny (Reply 22):

What's with the extra "steering wheel" on the Captain's yoke? Nosewheel steering?

[Edited 2006-03-11 13:39:37]
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 34):
What's with the extra "steering wheel" on the Captain's yoke? Nosewheel steering?

You got it.  Smile
 
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RE: Cubana Il-62 Cockpit Video

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting Henny (Reply 35):

Cheers!

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