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Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:09 pm

I was wondering what the thinking is on what QF will do with its New Zealand operation. Will they give it over to Jetstar or will Jet Connect keep running it as they do now?

How profitable is the QF New Zealand operation? Does it suffer from the lack of a regional feed?

What about DJ? Will they ever fly domestically in New Zealand?
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Thread starter):
What about DJ? Will they ever fly domestically in New Zealand?

I dont think they will do that in near future
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:28 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Thread starter):
Will they give it over to Jetstar or will Jet Connect keep running it as they do now?

At this stage JQ is only flying out of CHC. I do see JQ taking over all Jetconnect services in the end. I would say about the end of this year or next year for more services out of like WLG and AKL, domestic will come around the same time. Remember that JQs cost base is heaps cheaper then Jetconnects due to JQs being based on the Impulse brand (QF took over Impulse in 2004).

Quoting Flyjetstar (Thread starter):
How profitable is the QF New Zealand operation? Does it suffer from the lack of a regional feed?

Don't know how profitable but when I flew to and from AKL and WLG early this month, both services were around 60-70% full, return flight from AKL was about 70% full

Quoting Flyjetstar (Thread starter):

What about DJ? Will they ever fly domestically in New Zealand?

DJ are wanting to do domestic but I think they will wait and see, how QF will handle Jetconnect and JQ about NZ domestic and make their decision after that.

The first B734s enter Jetconnect operations in May on WLG services.
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:28 pm

Now that DUD will have a finished terminal by the middle of the year it would be nice to see some more airlines service DUD like QF or JQ even DJ.
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
At this stage JQ is only flying out of CHC. I do see JQ taking over all Jetconnect services in the end.

Jetconnect operates Qantas domestic aswell as Jetstar Transtasman out of CHC (and I think WLG soon or already).

Qantas offers a better service than NZ domestically and at the same cheap price, but for such a small operation and tourist routes to Rotorua and Queenstown it seems Jetstar would suit it better (maybe?) .. although I'd miss the Qantas service!

They've swaped Qantas for Jetstar transtasman so why not NZ domestic.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:04 pm

Quoting TG990 (Reply 4):
Jetstar Transtasman out of CHC (and I think WLG soon or already).

Jetconnect still operates all WLG services. Jetconnect will put the B734s on WLG operations from May, as well as the current B733s

Quoting TG990 (Reply 4):
Qantas offers a better service than NZ domestically

When I did a return trip on QF to AKL early this month I only noticed a little inprovment over NZ and that was snacks and thats all.
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:46 pm

From what i have heard QF make a big loss on its Domestic NZ services basically due to lack of aircraft and not servicing enough some routes ie CHC-WLG only twice a day .. and DUD not at all.NZ have a massive monopoly on the domestic routes with NZ business mainly for quantity of flights and destinations available 25 compared to 5. I would expect QF to swap this to JQ at some stage as crew for both are operated by Jet Connect.. As for DJ i would say its unlikely to see them in the near future operating domestically in NZ..
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting TG990 (Reply 4):
but for such a small operation and tourist routes to Rotorua and Queenstown it seems Jetstar would suit it better (maybe?)

Someone feel free to correct me but I don't think Jetstar's A320's would be able to land at ROT.

I think you will eventually see Jetstar take over all QF domestic in NZ as well as all Tasman flights from AKL, WLG and CHC, with the exception of the 744's that continue on to LAX.

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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 7):
don't think Jetstar's A320's would be able to land at ROT.

Isn't ROT going to extend its runway to A320/B738 capiable?
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:02 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Isn't ROT going to extend its runway to A320/B738 capiable?

It may well be yes. I wasn't sure if it was still going ahead or not though.

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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Isn't ROT going to extend its runway to A320/B738 capiable?

Yes i believe its still going ahead
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 6):
As for DJ i would say its unlikely to see them in the near future operating domestically in NZ..

Quite right. Very unlikely in near future.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting TG990 (Reply 4):
Qantas offers a better service than NZ domestically and at the same cheap price, but for such a small operation and tourist routes to Rotorua and Queenstown it seems Jetstar would suit it better (maybe?) .. although I'd miss the Qantas service!

I wouldn't say better service, just that they do some food instead of NZ's cookie.
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:11 am

One important reason that QF is in New Zealand is to act as a feed to its international network. The JQ model of simple point to point flights and no through- connections would further dilute the service levels in New Zealand. There would also be service issues with oneworld partners too as flights are also timed to connect with CX and LA flights. Given the importance of inbound travellers to New Zealand, I think the advantages of operating a "seamless" service might outweigh the risk of losing that traffic.

While they do not publish costs, I don't think there is too much of a diference in terms of costs between Jetconnect and JQ. The ability to use New Zealand based staff on new contracts, without the build up of costs over the years, is a reason for this. Jetconnect also uses aircraft that are well into their service life, so the capital costs will be lower for their operations.

I don't know if DJ will fly domestically. They no longer have the cost advantage, or economies of scale, to match Air NZ. The lack of frequent flyer programme and no huge difference in product count against them now.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting TG990 (Reply 4):
Qantas offers a better service than NZ domestically and at the same cheap price[/quote]

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12):
I wouldn't say better service, just that they do some food instead of NZ's cookie.

Well. Food, full bar service, IFE (short television presentation and/or audio programme) all adds up to better service to me.

Such a pity Qantas just don't have the frequency to really give NZ a run for their money domestically.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:23 pm

I really believe that QF missed a great opportunity in not deploying the 717's on the NZ domestic routes, operated either by jetconnect or jetstar. I also think the 717's would have been very well suited to ex WLG tasman routes as well.
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:34 pm

Quoting DJ738 (Reply 14):
Quoting TG990 (Reply 4):
Qantas offers a better service than NZ domestically and at the same cheap price

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12):I wouldn't say better service, just that they do some food instead of NZ's cookie.
Well. Food, full bar service, IFE (short television presentation and/or audio programme) all adds up to better service to me.

Such a pity Qantas just don't have the frequency to really give NZ a run for their money domestically.[/quote]

Unfortunately all these extras cost and this is the reason NZ makes money on its domestic operations !! When flights are usually around the hour mark or less passengers really dont need the extras..
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting DJ738 (Reply 14):
Well. Food, full bar service, IFE (short television presentation and/or audio programme) all adds up to better service to me.

Depends really how you measure 'better'. Some people will see 'better' as providing food and IFE. Some see it in terms of frequency and flight options/price. Some relate it to FF programs and points earned. 'Better' is a subjective term.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 16):
Food, full bar service

One bite sized pastry or sausage roll? Water for free ,with a choice of Lemonade, Coke or Diet in mini cans for $2 (Sometimes advertised, mostly by request only) is full bar service? Do they even do coffee?
I'm curious as to this as all my flights with them Ive never seen any consistancy.
What is QF's official service offerings?
Their IFE...just bring an Ipod-its a 45-50 minute flight anyway and youve probably seen the video clips 5 years ago Silly

NZ at least offers consistancy and coffee! (Plus great FA's who love what they do!)
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:09 pm

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 18):
Coke or Diet in mini cans for $2 (Sometimes advertised, mostly by request only) is full bar service? Do they even do coffee?

Sir do you fancy a can of coke at a rip off price of $2? Yes they do serve coffee and tea
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Sir do you fancy a can of coke at a rip off price of $2? Yes they do serve coffee and tea

No considering its only an mini-mixer can! When do they do coffee/tea? On 6 flights with them in the last year I must have been very unlucky-ive not smelt,seen or tasted the sweet aroma of caffine once. Is it on select services only?
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 20):
Is it on select services only?

NZ domestic has cofee and tea
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:50 pm

Oh I know NZ does, thats why im singing their praises, I thought you were talking about QF.

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 18):
NZ at least offers consistancy and coffee!
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 22):
Oh I know NZ does, thats why im singing their praises, I thought you were talking about QF.

I was talking about QF
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:35 pm

QF does coffee and tea?? My question was then, is this only on select services or times that QF serves Coffee/tea??
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:00 pm

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 24):
QF does coffee and tea?? My question was then, is this only on select services or times that QF serves Coffee/tea??

I know coffee and tea is on all new zealand domestic services.
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:08 pm

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 17):
Some see it in terms of frequency and flight options/price



Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 17):
'Better' is a subjective term

I'm WELL aware of this. You'll note thats why in my initial posting I made mention of it being a pity QF's New Zealand frequency wasn't up to more than it is. I do feel at present they just don't have the frequency to compete at all with Air New Zealand.

It IS nice that QF do offer the extras that they do (including tea and coffee every time I've ever flown with them - which is often) - whether the other posters here feel that these extras are necessary or not due to such short flight times, I personally feel one would be foolish to turn them down when they're on offer for no extra cost. (yes the drinks do cost extra but it's at least nice to have the OPTION)
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
I know coffee and tea is on all new zealand domestic services.

As I said my last 6 flights with QF on Domestic flights within NZ in the last year have been coffeeless... I know Air NZ and even Origin Pacific do, but I have yet to see it on QF in recent times, as I said perhaps I am unlucky, but QF clearly dont serve it on ALL domestic flights..

Can someone else please clarify this? Or is it strictly by request and no one asks on QF? Flights over a certain time?
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:26 pm

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 27):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
I know coffee and tea is on all new zealand domestic services.

As I said my last 6 flights with QF on Domestic flights within NZ in the last year have been coffeeless... I know Air NZ and even Origin Pacific do, but I have yet to see it on QF in recent times, as I said perhaps I am unlucky, but QF clearly dont serve it on ALL domestic flights..

On the WLG-AKL-WLG flights I had early last month (at different times of the day) tea and coffee was served. DJ738 has also had tea and coffee on his flights (reply 26)
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:33 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
On the WLG-AKL-WLG flights I had early last month (at different times of the day) tea and coffee was served. DJ738 has also had tea and coffee on his flights (reply 26)

I must be unlucky and QF inconsistant. Albeit my flights were all CHC/ZQN bound or from-I asked my friends who have also noticed the same.
Does any one here work for QF in NZ? I want answers!!! Wink
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:40 pm

Really wish I could help, and now I'm actually quite curious too.

All I can tell you is that we resposition for our duties using QF within New Zealand quite often, and tea and coffee is always offered on the flights I've been on.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 18):
Quoting Nzrich (Reply 16):Food, full bar service
One bite sized pastry or sausage roll? Water for free ,with a choice of Lemonade, Coke or Diet in mini cans for $2 (Sometimes advertised, mostly by request only) is full bar service? Do they even do coffee?
I'm curious as to this as all my flights with them Ive never seen any consistancy.
What is QF's official service offerings?
Their IFE...just bring an Ipod-its a 45-50 minute flight anyway and youve probably seen the video clips 5 years ago 

NZ at least offers consistancy and coffee! (Plus great FA's who love what they do!)

I Never said Qf were full service someone else did as i work for NZ i have no reason to fly QF domestic only flown them once when NZ was full and was desperate to get somewhere all i got was a slice and tea and coffee and a comedy on the screens and everything else was a cash bar ..thats hardly full service in my opinion...Unless you pay for the extras its basically the same as on NZ excluding the comedy on the screen..
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:16 pm

As a longhaul flight attendant for Qantas Jetconnect, i can comment on the service provided on the domestic routes from our service books...

Breakfast..
Light pastry
Tea/Coffe
Water

Lunch...
Snack with an Ibar
Tea/Coffee (sometimes on top of cart)
Water

Dinner...
Snack with Ibar
Tea/Coffee (Sometimes on top of cart)
Water

On ALL flights IFE is to me offered aswell as headsets.

You may miss the tea and coffee as sometimes it is done on top of the carts and on short flight times is not to be offered but only on request. ie. flight times under 35mins.

I have done the CHCZQN run quite alot as duty staff and always see tea and coffee on the route.

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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:10 pm

I find the Qantas domestic flight attendants more friendly than the NZ ones, but that of course matters which ones ya get! Maybe i've just had a good run with QF

But either way.... it is a shame that QF hasn't more frequent services. NZ seems to be the big player and with Origin Pacific not making much of a difference either....I think it'd be good to see another big player in the domestic market..............maybe JQ. Mind you NZ is such a small country! Not too much room for competition.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting AirNewZealand (Reply 32):
As a longhaul flight attendant for Qantas Jetconnect, i can comment on the service provided on the domestic routes from our service books...



Quoting AirNewZealand (Reply 32):
You may miss the tea and coffee as sometimes it is done on top of the carts and on short flight times is not to be offered but only on request. ie. flight times under 35mins.

Brilliant, thank you that explains it.  Smile


May I ask, is the top of cart thing/as per request just for time restraint purposes, consumer preference or budgetary considerations? It sounds an interesting policy..
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 27):
Can someone else please clarify this? Or is it strictly by request and no one asks on QF? Flights over a certain time?

My experience of QF service as a higher level freaky flyer is that on the short hops of CHC-ZQN and WLG-CHC hot beverages are not served. The FA's usually make a PA to announce this. They say its because of the short flight sector and the need to offer the other service items. Unless it has been turbulence related, hot beverages have always been offered on the CHC-AKL and WLG-AKL sectors.

Must say, it's never bothered me as I'm not a coffee drinker and I normally have stronger beverages in the QF club anyway.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:30 pm

Speaking of QF frequencies, does anyone else see the irony of QF crew's positoning between the main centres on NZ because of the QF timetable???
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:25 pm

As of next roster frequencies between AKL/CHC/WLG will be upgraded and it will be longhaul crew operating on 767-300 aircrafts and extra 737 capacity. The flights will operate as follows...

SYD-CHC-AKL-SYD (767)
SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD (767)
SYD-WLG-AKL-SYD (734)
SYD-AKL-WLG-SYD (734)
SYD-CHC-AKL-CHC-SYD (767)

So their should be an extra two or three flights a day... i have no idea why but it is on the rosters! Cheers

As to the Question it is for time restraints/weather...

Hope that explains things abit more.
 
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:56 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 37):
As of next roster frequencies between AKL/CHC/WLG will be upgraded and it will be longhaul crew operating on 767-300 aircrafts and extra 737 capacity. The flights will operate as follows...

SYD-CHC-AKL-SYD (767)
SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD (767)
SYD-WLG-AKL-SYD (734)
SYD-AKL-WLG-SYD (734)
SYD-CHC-AKL-CHC-SYD (767)

Are these new rosters starting in May? Thats when Australian Aviation stated the B734s will start domestic
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RE: Qantas In New Zealand

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 37):
As of next roster frequencies between AKL/CHC/WLG will be upgraded and it will be longhaul crew operating on 767-300 aircrafts and extra 737 capacity. The flights will operate as follows...

SYD-CHC-AKL-SYD (767)
SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD (767)
SYD-WLG-AKL-SYD (734)
SYD-AKL-WLG-SYD (734)
SYD-CHC-AKL-CHC-SYD (767)

I take it these are all ADDITIONAL services? So there will be no loss / reduction of work to the New Zealand based Jetconnect Cabin Crew?

767-300 services between CHC/AKL and WLG/AKL = a HUGE increase in capacity. HUGE. Almost unbelieveably so. Mind you I'm not complaining as I'll quite happily pax on the 763.

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Are these new rosters starting in May? Thats when Australian Aviation stated the B734s will start domestic

The introduction of the 734 to QF New Zealand operations has been delayed countless times now, I wish they'd just arrive and start flying! Mind you as much of an improvement as they will be on QF's current 733's, they sure as heck still aren't near as flash as my bright-red 738 babies.

[Edited 2006-04-04 13:32:56]

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