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widebodyphotog
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 198):
Thanks for your explaination. But this could mean that it would be doable with 'only' a reduced cargoload. I don't know how serious this would be, but this solution seems more affordable and causing less delay than the construction of an all-new fuselage.

Sorry for being unclear but my intent was to show that it's completely impractical to the degree of 20 cm. You're basically redesigning the airplane from the keel up as everything shifts lower including the wing. This is so much more involved than simply lowering things down in the "Z" dimension.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 199):
One of the attractive features of the A330 family aircraft over the 767 was its ability to hold dual LD3s side by side in the cargo compartment. Losing that ability would likely lead to the loss of more orders.

Right, you'd add the weakness of one Boeing product to compete with the strongest point of another. In any case, as long as Airbus sticks with the metal structure, 222 inch cross section the best they can do is tinker around the margins with internal dimensions.



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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting Widebodyphotog (Reply 200):
Right, you'd add the weakness of one Boeing product to compete with the strongest point of another. In any case, as long as Airbus sticks with the metal structure, 222 inch cross section the best they can do is tinker around the margins with internal dimensions.

Not to mention a lopsided passenger to cargo ratio more similar to the A380.
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 179):
At least 5 airlines are flying the A330 9 abreast in economy, for years.

Yes, but they're all charter or low cost holiday operators.

No major carrier flies a 9 abreast Airbus wide-bodied jet.
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
I like the projection system...

That ceiling projection makes it look like you've just entered Hogwart's. The dental chair seating is kind of funky too.
 
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:31 pm

This topic needs a new thread.. already past 200 posts!  Wow!
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Johnny
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:20 pm

@ Jaysit


That is not correct - just book a flight with an A330 from Thai Airways,like i did some years ago...




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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 205):
That is not correct - just book a flight with an A330 from Thai Airways,like i did some years ago...

I hear you Johnny. I flew on a Thai 777 and wasn't too impressed, after paying business fare, to sit in their 8 across busniess class.

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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:52 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 205):
@ Jaysit


That is not correct - just book a flight with an A330 from Thai Airways,like i did some years ago...

Are you sure? I've been on a 10 abreast TG 777 but the 3 times I've been on a TG A330, its 8 across.
 
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Widebodyphotog (Reply 200):
Sorry for being unclear but my intent was to show that it's completely impractical to the degree of 20 cm. You're basically redesigning the airplane from the keel up as everything shifts lower including the wing. This is so much more involved than simply lowering things down in the "Z" dimension.



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 201):
Not to mention a lopsided passenger to cargo ratio more similar to the A380.

OK, thanks for the explanation. It was just a silly suggestion from someone who's obviously not a machinical / aerodynamic engineer....
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 208):
OK, thanks for the explanation. It was just a silly suggestion from someone who's obviously not a machinical / aerodynamic engineer....

Well neither am I. I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Big grin

Actually it's just a matter of geometry.
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 206):
and wasn't too impressed, after paying business fare, to sit in their 8 across busniess class.

8? I remember 7 (2-3-2). Economy was 9 (3-3-3).

Or did you pay cheapie near-full-fare "business" economy, near the front of the economy section (like SAS) and hence, got economy seating?
 
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:30 am

We just got another shoutout from Randy on his blog

"By the way, I see that another good discussion is underway about cabin interiors on Airliners.net. And yes, I do browse these threads from time to time!"

www.boeing.com/randy

Randy, any time you need some advice on how to run Boeing, please feel free to join a.net to talk to some *real* experts  Smile

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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting Iwok (Reply 211):
Randy, any time you need some advice on how to run Boeing, please feel free to join a.net to talk to some *real* experts

He is sure gonna gonna get unconditional love for Boeing products as there are so many B fans...no offence.

On serious node. If he came to A.net to discuss product like 787...that could be turned into huge PR campaign...Saying "Boeing listens to customers as well as aircraft enthusiast unlike airbus(eggo driven!)" Smile
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:49 am

Hello Air380,

Your last post raised an eyebrow. Are you sure that there are more B than A enthusiasts? I dont think that is the case. I dare say that it is the exact oppositwe of this.

So how can we resolve this? We could take a head count and tally up the score and see what happens. It should be done with good humor and a bit of friendliness so as not to incur the wrath of the censors. Do you want to start this thread? You know which side of hte fence I am on.

Oh yeah, do you know how to get member stats for this forum? In other words lets say there are 1000 members. Where are they from. 40 % USA or is it 70%.

I realize that it is fairly easy to say that all US flagged members are anti EADS but that would be incorrect. Same goes the other way. Keesje seems to be adept at using all this website has to offer, perhaps he could help..


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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:55 am

Soory I dont know how get stats you asked but do contact airliners.net contact details. they may be able provide it.
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
at least here in the States, the standard luggage is the rolling bags.

Yeah, and they make it a pain in the Ass to close the bins too  Yeah sure

About time some of you learnt that the bins have a size limit - if your bag is too big, check it in.....



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