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FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:57 pm

Just seen on Fox News FedEx DC10 loses part of engine over Arkansas.

Flight was MEM/SEA..........could be MD..........returned safely to MEM.

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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:59 pm

What part of Arkansas? I'm guessing northeast corner in the Jonesboro area?
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:02 pm

Must be........would have to be NNW of MEM on route to SEA.

Piece was found in farmers field no injuries. Forgot to add that.

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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:08 pm

Last week they lost part of an engine over new jersey.

Gotta latch those engine cowling on tighter, boys!

(I blame the NW scab mechanics and the AS scab rampers. I mean, isn't everything their fault? A union employee can't make such mistakes...)
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Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:13 pm


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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:22 pm

MY guess....................#2 engine..............anyone with me on this?

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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:22 pm

Interesting news...and right after I just finished giving a class presentation on UA flight 232.
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:26 pm

 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:32 pm

If a chunck as big as an SUV fell out off the sky, wouldn't this be some big chunk of proportion falling from the engine? I wonder if this was similar to a JL 743 which had parts of its #4 fell into someone's backyard around CGK a few while back..

Is this the beginning of the end for DC10s? Or is this FedEx's excuse to buy more newer freighters?

Lucky the plane landed safely and no casualties.
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:01 am

Perhaps FedEx needs to examine more carefully most of their DC-10/MD-11 fleet as to these and other parts that are coming loose. They could make adjustments as to more frequent inspections of these components to make sure fasteners are in good shape, or replace more frequently. I am quite sure they don't want some special air delivery onto someone's house and kill someone.
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:18 am

What part exactly.
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:26 am

Damn, this is become a weekly occurency for Fedex and interesting thing is it's only happenign on DC-10's. They lost a cowling in Oakland a while ago, in Jersey and now this. I bet they have a full time employee to pick up engine cowlings  biggrin 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:56 am

It was engine #3, a six foot section. Bummer grande, wonder if I worked on this bird, anyone got a reg #?
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:37 am

From a picture in April 5, 2006 The Commercial Appeal (Memphis), the missing engine section appears to include the aft part of the LP Turbine Stator Case, and all of the Turbine Rear Frame, exhaust nozzle, exhaust centerbody and center vent tube extension. From the angle of the photo, it is not possible to tell if any of the rotating part - i.e., the LP Turbine rotor - is within the debris.

From the printed story, which I have not found on The Commercial Appeal website, the aircraft is identified as an MD10, that the debris size is about 5 to 6 feet long, and that the #3 position engine was involved. I'm just trying to add information not given previously.

The above described hardware is most definately from a CF6-6D powerplant and that would make the aircraft model a MD10-10.

More than one of the above replies suggests that the dropped engine part might be more engine cowling(s) pieces departing the aircraft for what ever reason. That is not so in this case.
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:40 am

Looks like FedEx needs to re-evaluate their maintenance policies.  crazy 
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:42 am

Is this a second incident ?? (the 1st was in NJ)
or am i mistaken??
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:29 am

This doesn't seem bad at all, considering the age and technology of the DC-10 a/c and also the MD-11 as well, so I think FedEx and other Death Cruiser operators do a good job
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
I blame the NW scab mechanics and the AS scab rampers.

While you may think they are 'scabs', they're still human beings...PERIOD. BTW, rampers are not allowed to ever open an engine nacelle cowling. They are not in any A&P workgroup.
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 18):
This doesn't seem bad at all, considering the age and technology of the DC-10 a/c and also the MD-11 as well, so I think FedEx and other Death Cruiser operators do a good job

DoN't diss the MD-11. She is a good airplane, if you treat her properly. Also that MD-11 engines are either GE CF6-80 or PW 4000, all modern engines also used in a lot of other aircraft.
If it was uncontained engine failure, I would like to know who did the last overhaul and where did the parts come from.

Concerning the cowlings, I'm quite sure somebody forgot to latch them properly. Maybe FEDEX should introduce a duplicate inspection on closing #2 engine cowling (since it is hard to see from ground if they are properly latched).

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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:50 am

Last week, flying out of LAX, I saw a FedEx DC-10 in the hangar that looked like part of the tail had melted.

It was the leading edge of the vertical fin - don't know if there had been an engine fire or what.

There were other FedEx DC-10's there, and another also had an abnormal-looking tail. Don't know if there's some sort of maintenance activity that makes the leading edge of the vertical fin, just above #2, look funny?
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:53 pm

I'm guessing it was the #3 eng. from N386FE an MD10-10 ... The turbine stator case from the turbine mid frame flange aft. including the shaft, disks & blades that fell off ...  Sad Not a good day, but the pilots TCB and the plane will fly again ...  Smile
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:15 pm

You'd think that when you close the cowling you'd LOCK it. Then again, I'm not a mechanic and don't have a damned clue, along with many others, what exactly happened.

I do, however love the quote from the news report:

"Arkansas state police say they were notified by a caller who began, "You're not going to believe this."

Yeah, imagine making that call... "Yeah, umm, do I call you or FEDEX on this?"
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting Ptharris (Reply 22):



Quoting Ptharris (Reply 22):
You'd think that when you close the cowling you'd LOCK it.

This incident has nothing to do with leaving a cowling unlatched. Its a lot bigger then that ...
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:11 am

This is happening too often now. Shouldn't as a caution the FAA ground the affected fleet?

I thanks they don't fly passengers. lol
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting Miguelss (Reply 23):
This is happening too often now.

Yeah, twice out of how many daily flights?  eyebrow  I hardly think they need to be grounded or investigated or something. Sometimes "Murphy's Law" takes control now and again. Seems FedEx was it's latest victim, so to speak.

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 22):

This incident has nothing to do with leaving a cowling unlatched. Its a lot bigger then that ...

Must have missed the part when I said I don't have a clue what happened. One news report says parts of an engine came off, some news reports say the whole damned thing came off. Anyways, I just think it's rather wierd that the planets have aligned against FedEx this past week or so.
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 20):
The turbine stator case from the turbine mid frame flange aft. including the shaft, disks & blades that fell off ..

Sounds like a Engine Overhaul fault. Smile

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
Maybe FEDEX should introduce a duplicate inspection on closing #2 engine cowling (since it is hard to see from ground if they are properly latched).

What about painting the unlocked latches RED so they can be visable when open.

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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting Gritzngravee (Reply 14):
Looks like FedEx needs to re-evaluate their maintenance policies.

Just to shed a little more light on what some folks here seem to think is a Fedex maint problem. The MD-10 eng. (GE CF6-6D) that that had the uncontained failure over ARK. was about at the halfway point to next overhaul. GE does ALL the HEAVY maint on these engs. and is party to the investigation.
 
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Ptharris (Reply 24):
Must have missed the part when I said I don't have a clue what happened. One news report says parts of an engine came off, some news reports say the whole damned thing came off. Anyways, I just think it's rather wierd that the planets have aligned against FedEx this past week or so

Very true my friend ... For some reason when things go bad for an airplane company the problems come in 3's ... I'm afaid to see what #3 will be ...
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RE: FedEx DC10 Loses Part Of Engine

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 25):
Sounds like a Engine Overhaul fault.

No, sounds like a material defect (sioux city?), engine was last overhauled 1500 cycles/ 3000 hours ago.

The LPT stage 1 disc almost ripped its way completly through the wing. Could have been far more serious. FAA to investigate, engine is still on wing. The fan midshaft has also sheared aft of the TMF. Apparently.

CF6-50's (very nearly the same as a cf6-6) have been known to expire in this manner before.

-6's are now more reliable and on wing longer than ever, esp with HT90, so perhaps not a cause for grounding the fleet.

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