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Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:15 am

My oh My... After Airbus denied these allegations, Emirates today confirmed in Gulf News that the A 380 Delivey will be delayed by 3 months....

Who is right now??

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/04/05/10030754.html
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:23 am

LOL.. Oooh boy. Looks like EK and Airbus' relationship is deteriorating by the day. If this turns out to be true, it'll damage Airbus' credibility especially after they denied it earlier.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:24 am

It wasnt just Airbus denying these allegations, Emirates confirmed the delivery dates yesterday as well:

Quote:

"Airbus is planning to fly the Engine Alliance aircraft this summer and this is in line with Emirates deliveries in spring 2007," a spokeswoman for the European planemaker said.

"We always said spring 2007 and it remains spring 2007," she added.

An Emirates official confirmed that deliveries were expected in the second quarter of 2007.

From: http://business.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=519472006

If the delay is true, you have to wonder what the hell Airbus is playing at denying it yesterday. More delays for the programme isnt good in anyones books.

I cant seem to get your page to load, the server doesnt want to respond it would seem.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
I cant seem to get your page to load, the server doesnt want to respond it would seem.

I can't get it to load either.

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
My oh My... After Airbus denied these allegations, Emirates today confirmed in Gulf News that the A 380 Delivey will be delayed by 3 months....

Who is right now??

Could you please copy and paste?
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:28 am

Well, it's because the Arab world defines Spring and second quarter differently than us ignorant Americans do...  Wink
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:28 am

Published: 04/05/2006 12:00 AM (UAE)



Late landing for Emirates'A380 jets
By Mohammad Ezz Al Deen, Staff Reporter



Dubai: Emirates will receive its first A380 jets in the first half of next year, some three months late.

"Of course the delay in receiving the Airbus A380 will have a negative impact on our expansion plan in some areas, but Emirates can cope with that by revising its schedules on the basis of its priorities in order to obtain the best results," said Ghaith Al Ghaith, Emirates Executive Vice-President for Commercial Operations Worldwide.

The Dubai carrier has placed the largest single order for the new superjumbo, planning to acquire up to 43.


Just incase anyone cannot open the page
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:30 am

The link given didn't work for me.

Link that works: http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10030754.html

Perhaps Emirates were not confident in Airbus' assurances and to save trouble assumed there would be a 3 month delay... thereby allowing Airbus 3 extra months to deliver.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:41 am

Well, the article really doesnt contradict anything that was said by either Emirates or Airbus yesterday - Spring 2007, 2nd Quarter 2007, 1st Half 2007 all put deliveries in the same timeframe.

Quoting Art (Reply 6):
Link that works: http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Avi....html

Thanks, that worked.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):


"Airbus is planning to fly the Engine Alliance aircraft this summer and this is in line with Emirates deliveries in spring 2007," a spokeswoman for the European planemaker said.

"We always said spring 2007 and it remains spring 2007," she added.

An Emirates official confirmed that deliveries were expected in the second quarter of 2007.

To me that sounds like the same thing. I would define spring as March-May. Is there another definition out there?
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:50 am

Original delivery date was March 2007. 2nd quarter of 2007 is a delay vs. original delivery date, no matter how Airbus wants to twist it. Using a vague term such as "spring, 2nd quarter or 1st half of 2007" does not help Airbus credibility.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:51 am

Airbus will be delivering the A380's later than Emirates expected hence Emirates correct use of the term "delay" as in "Of course the delay in receiving the Airbus A380 will have a negative impact on our expansion plan in some areas, but Emirates can cope with that by revising its schedules on the basis of its priorities in order to obtain the best results

Regardless of how one attempts to spin what the definition of the word "is" is, Emirates states that their deliveries will be delayed.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:53 am

Airbus seems very unsure of its A380 delivery schedule. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the A380 is so complex and grand on so many levels. There must be a lot of kinks to work out. Hopefully there wont be any further delays.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 9):
Original delivery date was March 2007. 2nd quarter of 2007 is a delay vs. original delivery date, no matter how Airbus wants to twist it. Using a vague term such as "spring, 2nd quarter or 1st half of 2007" does not help Airbus credibility.

It's exactly the progression NAV20 predicted in the other thread about how Airbus routinely shifts their dates to make it seem like they were saying the new date all along. But since he's a pro-B guy, you have to dismiss him.

But here's a clue for everyone:

It is very rare for a company to set a date such as "second quarter" or "second half" and then plan on delivering the product at the very beginning of that period. The last major company I saw do that was Apple, but that was a surprise to everyone because, like Airbus, the had such a long history of delivering a product on June 30th when they said "first half."

Anyway, if Airbus or Emirates were confident it would be April, they'd say April. Technically, Spring runs until late June...
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting Agill (Reply 8):
To me that sounds like the same thing. I would define spring as March-May. Is there another definition out there?

Wikipedia says spring in meterology it is March, April, May.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_%28season%29

But what I was taught and the BBC seems to confirm is that in the Northern Hemisphere Spring is 21st March - 20th June astronomically,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/s...system/earth/solsticescience.shtml

So take your pick  Wink

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Agill (Reply 8):
Is there another definition out there?

Yes, in the USA "Spring" refers to the period between the spring equinox (21 mar) and the summer solstice (21 jun).

Spring therefore only intersects "March" with 11 days. It seems that Airbus is using this 11 day intersection into some useful ambiguity. But it's not very ambuguous really. Spring lasts into June, which was not the original deal (apparently).
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:17 am

Oh no, more delays. IS EK the only airline affected by these extra delays or others airlines affected also?
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:26 am

EK, like SQ and QF, will have to live with the delays and will undoubtedly be negotiating penalty payments for their losses. Airbus simply cannot deliver the 380 with known problems and they need to allocate the resources to the 380 program that are needed to iron out the kinks that are delaying deliveries.

I'm not surprised at the delays as the 380 (like the 787) is a huge engineering undertaking. The issue for Airbus is the need to maintain a continual flow of information to the airlines keeping them CURRENT on the situation and letting them immediately know of any and all bugs or problems that are discovered during testing. Good, honest communications can minimize the problems for the airlines and maybe even reduce the penalty payments Airbus ends up making.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 10):
Regardless of how one attempts to spin what the definition of the word "is" is, Emirates states that their deliveries will be delayed.

Bingo. Sure looks like Emirates is getting steamed.. not a good idea if you take a close look at the A380's pre-order schedule.  Wow!
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:56 am

Spring 07 isnt a delivery date. March 16 for example is a delivery date. Im sure Airbus gave emirates a specific date. If it cannot deliver on that specific date then the delivery is delayed, even if the new delivery date is still in spring. Using spring as a time frame is only for media purposes, so that we can have a general idea.
So airbus's claim that the delivery will still be in spring 07 is just to make the situation look better than it actually is.

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 1):
LOL.. Oooh boy. Looks like EK and Airbus' relationship is deteriorating by the day. If this turns out to be true, it'll damage Airbus' credibility especially after they denied it earlier

What credibility? That went out the door with the 340 Series. I'll tell ya. I used to poke fun at this stuff. I'm actually worried about Airbus' survival these days. Boeing needs the competition.

Very sad.  

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 19):
What credibility? That went out the door with the 340 Series. I'll tell ya. I used to poke fun at this stuff. I'm actually worried about Airbus' survival these days. Boeing needs the competition.

Very sad

You should really narrow your comments down to the A346, the A340-300 did quite well for Airbus. And as for worrying about Airbus's survival, that seems to be a tacit admission that Airbus are just a vulnerable company, subject to the same issues and pressures as Boeing? At the end of the day, Emirates will get their planes when they get them, mouthing off to the press does little to help their case. They may be able to throw their weight around now (a la 787-10), but that will only be temporary. Nothing lasts forever.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 13):
Does Dubai get Spring, or is it just Summer or Scorching-Summer there

Good one, 319...

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
I'm not surprised at the delays as the 380 (like the 787) is a huge engineering undertaking. The issue for Airbus is the need to maintain a continual flow of information to the airlines keeping them CURRENT on the situation and letting them immediately know of any and all bugs or problems that are discovered during testing. Good, honest communications can minimize the problems for the airlines and maybe even reduce the penalty payments Airbus ends up making.

All there is to it, Ken. If Airbus communicates well, and abides by their contract regarding penalties, delays are reasonable given the complexity of the product and obligation to deliver this baby without defect or out-of-scope specs. If I were in planning at EK, you better have contigencies worked out well in advance with an understanding of the necessity this bird MUST go to market almost perfect...we should hope Airbus did this when setting expectations.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:27 am

If a customer has contracted for delivery of a product or service on date X and your company delivers on date X+Y days, you have delivered it late! The question is, what date or date range did Emirates select for delivery. If Airbus delivers beyond that date, they will be late. Only time will tell....since Airbus won't.

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:42 am

I think we are picking nat shit out of pepper people!! I am not a huge Airbus fan but an undertaking of this magnitude deserves a little latitude. If Airbus comes anywhere near second quarter '07 I think they have succeeded. The airlines hate it but the alternative would be even more disappointing, a plane that enters service before it should.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 19):
I'm actually worried about Airbus' survival these days.

Are delivery delays ONLY appearing at Airbus? Sure not...

Sure Boeing does not have any right now with the 737NG and the 777 (both have been flying for a decade or so, the newer types are derivatives and the technical challenge is not that critical). But as they are not at the same advanced stage with the 787 as Airbus is right now with the A380, it still seems that they will be delivering the 787 on time. The last minute complications Airbus is facing have not arisen at the stage of development Boeing is with the 787. Hope there won't be any, but is this realistic to think so?

Boeing was also freaking out during the final 777 development (especially with 330/340 growing and killing the MD11). They took the time they needed and worked hard, now the 777 is selling like hot cakes right according to the delivery schedule.

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 24):
Are delivery delays ONLY appearing at Airbus? Sure not...

I think what Mr. Glideslope ment, YULWinter is that Airbus needs to get its act together and quit putting spin on its public relations releases. Bad press and the 'lying' just damages Airbus and helps Boeing. Now if this was Boeing doing the same thing, the results would be the same.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
My oh My... After Airbus denied these allegations, Emirates today confirmed in Gulf News that the A 380 Delivey will be delayed by 3 months....

Who is right now??

Thank you for posting this, and not being American.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 19):
What credibility? That went out the door with the 340 Series. I'll tell ya. I used to poke fun at this stuff. I'm actually worried about Airbus' survival these days. Boeing needs the competition.

Airbus' management has worked them into a pickle. A345/A346 are inferior to 777. A350 is inferior to 787. Boeing is working on a clean sheet 737 replacement, Airbus just wants to warm over A320, thinking its nearly good enough as it is. I think we heard that already, about A330 vs 787, and then A350 (which is A330 lite, lol) vs. 787. A380 is late, and only has 1/3 the orders it needs to break even. I'm worried too. I don't even think in the A330 vs 767, 737-300 vs A320 days was Boeing this backed into a corner.

Airbus needs to replace Foregard with someone more decisive and Leahy with someone credible.

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 26):
Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
My oh My... After Airbus denied these allegations, Emirates today confirmed in Gulf News that the A 380 Delivey will be delayed by 3 months....

Who is right now??

Thank you for posting this, and not being American.

I'll seccond that. Flag waving American Boeing fans aren't the only ones who know what's up.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:40 am

Why is the thread where Airbus is claiming all is well getting all the attention while the thread where Emirates, the customer, is claiming otherwise is being ignored? Very weird.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 19):
I used to poke fun at this stuff. I'm actually worried about Airbus' survival these days. Boeing needs the competition.

I feel exactly the same way, Glideslope. It's getting serious now.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
Oh no, more delays. IS EK the only airline affected by these extra delays or others airlines affected also?

Yes QFs 380s are delayed another 3 months.

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:30 pm

This won't affect Airbus's long term viability. Airbus made it's bet on the A380 long ago. Either the market reverses itself and they start making orders for the shrinking VLA, or Airbus deals with it.

As far as delay's go, this one is far less damaging so far then the initial 6 month delay. That one punted the A380 outside of the peak travel period and gave carriers a real headache. This one might make the situation better because it will be closer to the peak period again. Not that I don't expect EK and SQ to demand some make up from Airbus.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 1):
LOL.. Oooh boy. Looks like EK and Airbus' relationship is deteriorating by the day. If this turns out to be true, it'll damage Airbus' credibility especially after they denied it earlier.

That is so true. Why would they do something like that? it will only hurt future sales.

Quoting Kangar (Reply 20):
Nothing lasts forever.

Sure it does... credibility and honesty with their customers will last for a long time to come.

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 30):
Yes QFs 380s are delayed another 3 months.

On top if the already 6-8 months from last yr?
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 31):
This won't affect Airbus's long term viability. Airbus made it's bet on the A380 long ago.

Agree that longterm viability is not in question - yet - Airfnt.

But any further A380 delays will play merry hell with the cashflow. Airbus have to find the cash to produce 30-plus A380s this financial year; but it begins to look as if they won't get any worthwhile revenue in from customers until well into 2007.

On top of that, they will already be taking a huge risk on producing wings which may not in the end receive certfication.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):

Who is right now??

If EK says they're late, I would believe the customer first.

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 30):

Yes QFs 380s are delayed another 3 months.

Really? Does anyone have a link? If that is the case, it implies something is up other than the GP7270's as the QF order is RR.

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:57 pm

Just checked with a journalist friend - he says that as of this morning Qantas said that 'they have not been notified of any further delay'.

On the other hand, I don't know when this morning he checked - or at what level.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 33):
Agree that longterm viability is not in question - yet - Airfnt.

But any further A380 delays will play merry hell with the cashflow. Airbus have to find the cash to produce 30-plus A380s this financial year; but it begins to look as if they won't get any worthwhile revenue in from customers until well into 2007.

On top of that, they will already be taking a huge risk on producing wings which may not in the end receive certfication.

Wonder what the associated costs are for all these delays. I believe when Boeing shut down the 737 and 747 line for one month, due out of sequence work/part shortages, they took something like a 1 billion dollar hit.

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:27 pm

Assuming that my 'ballpark' figure of 30 airframes is about right, Shenzhen, and they'll be at varying stages of completion, say$100M. per airframe would probably be about right. Maybe a cash outflow in 2006 of about $3B.?

Possibly the engine manufacturers are reluctant to start full production on the engines before testing is complete and the wing problem is sorted out, too? I don't know offhand whether they sell the engines directly to the customers, or whether Airbus buys them in and on-sells them with the airframes?
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:50 pm

Ah it's time EK just buys some 748  Smile

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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 13):
Does Dubai get Spring, or is it just Summer or Scorching-Summer there

Brilliant.... BTW we are now in the first couple of weeks of "spring", according to the definitions above, and today is forecasted to be 37 deg c... just another sunny day in the desert!!
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 38):
Ah it's time EK just buys some 748

Amen. Somebody get's it.  duck 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:31 pm

Your links all don't work and spring is from March 21st until June 21st.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:56 pm

Airbus can not survive on the 320 alone, not because they aren't selling enough, but because they are running a bigger company that than.

But the 330 will have to keep the widebody division afloat, and the A380 should at least earn most of the money back in a reasonable amount of time. I do not know if the 350 will earn it's money back before it has to be upgraded again, considering the margins. And there is little doubt that the 345/346 program will have lost money, especially with the 345/6HGW derivatives costing money but not selling well.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:58 pm

Why is Airbus becoming like Microsoft? The A380 is like Windows Vista, it keeps getting delayed and the timeframe stretched. Both are very complex products, I understand that, but whatever happened to overwork and night shifts to get something done.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 39):
Brilliant.... BTW we are now in the first couple of weeks of "spring", according to the definitions above, and today is forecasted to be 37 deg c... just another sunny day in the desert!!

Reminds me of Singapore, but I bet at least Dubai is a dry heat?

Quoting Thorben (Reply 41):
Your links all don't work and spring is from March 21st until June 21st.

Usually, but it can also be the 20th depending on which year between leap years you are on and how out of cycle we are in the 100 year skip.

Quoting ETFokker50 (Reply 43):
but whatever happened to overwork and night shifts to get something done.

Isn't that illegal in France? 35 hour work weeks and such?  Wink
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting ETFokker50 (Reply 43):
Why is Airbus becoming like Microsoft? The A380 is like Windows Vista, it keeps getting delayed and the timeframe stretched.

ROFLAO! Vista does not keep getting delayed... Only the (3) consumer versions will be delayed til after the holiday season. The Corp/Small Business edt. are still on target for Fall/2006 release. Also ppl do not based building their new pc of a delayed launch date of a software platform like a carrier expects to have a/c to open new routes! Bad example and nice gunning of an American company!
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:30 pm

Vista has been delayed repeatedly, computer companies DO rely on the new OS for selling new models pre-holidays, and it is a good example because MS is just as unapologetic as Airbus is.

Must have hit a nerve with you there BF777. You from Washington?
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
An Emirates official confirmed that deliveries were expected in the second quarter of 2007.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Well, it's because the Arab world defines Spring and second quarter differently than us ignorant Americans do...

Not only the Arab world - 2nd quarter means april - June, and that is exactly what it is: spring. There are only a few days in June which are summer.

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 1):
Looks like EK and Airbus' relationship is deteriorating by the day.

Always interesting, how some of US try to find scandals - in Germany we say: clean in front of your own house.
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:24 pm

This is an argument over Semantics, they said/they didn't say, etc, etc. Emirates have a history of conducting their business in the media. This is an argument over a month so, no more. What matters is that the A380 performs to spec. If that happens, then trust me, the delays will be soon forgotten. The 777 was late at the start (yes, not 6 months) and had some teething problems, but who remembers that now?
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms Delay Of A 380 Delivery

Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:31 pm

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 47):
Not only the Arab world

You missed the joke. When SQs A380s were delayed, us stupid americans were told that the end of year could be september and we just didn't understand the nuances of the german language. Of course, SQ will be getting their planes in December (one might sneak in the last week of November), but just because it was pretty clear in what was said, doesn't mean that we weren't all wrong and ignorant.

So now history is repeating, and we are getting the same types of statements about spring being March and first half could mean first quarter or it could still be April, or what have you.

I'm predicting June, maybe 1 or two in May. Because, as I said, in business you don't say 1st half if you mean 1st quarter and you don't say spring if you mean March and if you knew it was April, you'd say so.
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