scoljet
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DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:24 am

If this has been discussed before I apalogize but I was just in CVG and started wondering about the life span of DL's remaining 732's. I'm sure NW will be using their diesels forever but what about DL's plans for the classic 737? Any ideas or theories on how much longer these will grace the skies?
 
TL8490
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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:28 am

They were able to renegotiate the leases in bk down to about $15000 a month so it appears they will be around for a while.....
 
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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:29 am

Monday? (well, if the strike happens ...)

Seriously - not much longer ... DL is using their BK status to reject the leases on the 732s and 733s absolutely as fast as it can, due to the high lease costs and higher fuel (hence operating) costs of the types.

Dunno when the last one goes, but it'll be the end of an era, that's for sure.

Anyone know how many, of the retired planes, are going straight to the recycler, or how many are getting re-leased to fly on for someone else?

While I'm sure those 732s aren't as worn as the SW planes were at retirement (SW, I'm sure, ran 'em until there was literally nothing left on the odometer), they certainly aren't spring chickens ...

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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting Tl8490 (Reply 1):
They were able to renegotiate the leases in bk down to about $15000 a month so it appears they will be around for a while.....



Quoting Litz (Reply 2):
Seriously - not much longer ... DL is using their BK status to reject the leases on the 732s and 733s absolutely as fast as it can, due to the high lease costs and higher fuel (hence operating) costs of the types.

So who is correct?
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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):

So who is correct?

Probably to a certain extent - both are correct.

1. DL did renegotiate the leasing costs of the 737s pursuant to the chapter 11 proceeding. My guess is that DL has its 732s and 733s at bargain rates at the moment, as the second hand market for the 732 and the 733s (without the glass cockpit) are very limited........thus, the owners of the aircraft are happy with whatever revenue the aircraft will bring at this time.

2. DL will be eliminating both the 732 and 733 from their fleet in the near-term future.......as part of DL's effort to simplify their fleet. The 732s (although some of the newest around.......maybe Aloha will be interested?) are no longer cost effective airliners due to fuel consumption and it makes sense for DL to eliminate its small 733 subfleet (actually 2 sub-subfleets, one group of 733s had the glass cockpit and other did not).

3. I know (off the record) that the future of some of DL's 733s does not look very good - the plans are for most of the DL 733s (with the mechanical cockpit) to be broken up after leaving DL.........there is simply do second hand market for the aircraft and the lessors do not want to invest money in storing the airplanes.
 
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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
2. DL will be eliminating both the 732 and 733 from their fleet in the near-term future

The 733s are pretty much gone already. Looking at the current schedules, I can only find a measly 6 daily 733 r/t's out of SLC, and that's it. In other words, just 2 planes left, perhaps a third as a backup plane at most.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
(although some of the newest around.......maybe Aloha will be interested?)

Aloha a weeks ago indeed announced their intend to replace their 732s, some of the oldest around, with newer ones, which would most like be ex-DL jets. Age-wise, I believe that DL's 732s are on average some 15 years younger than Aloha's 732s, which is quite a difference.
 
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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:13 am

Still 4 left in the fleet as of this month.
 
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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:18 am

732s are nice birds just wish they had a bigger F class.
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RE: DL's Classic 732's How Much Longer?

Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:53 am

As of 1930hrs on 12APR06...DL has 22 B737-200 A/C in service. 1 B732 was retired this morning and another is going to VCV tomorrow. DL has only 4 B737-300s left. DL already got rid of their B737-300 glass cockpit A/C awhile ago. DL used them on the N.E. shuttle runs and now uses the D88.

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