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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:18 am

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...04/24/daily39.html?f=et68&hbx=e_du


Midwest Airlines Inc. could soon begin replacing the remaining 11 MD-80 aircraft in its fleet with more fuel-efficient planes that can travel longer distances, company executives said Wednesday.

Midwest is "deep into an analysis" concerning replacing the older aircraft, said Timothy Hoeksema, chairman and chief executive officer of Midwest Air Group Inc., the Oak Creek-based corporate parent of Midwest Airlines.

Hoeksema made his comments to a crowd of about 125 people who attended Midwest Air Group's annual shareholder's meeting at the Clarion Hotel Airport, 5311 S. Howell Ave.

Midwest could replace the MD-80s with Airbus A320 and Boeing 737 aircraft, Hoeksema said.



Confirming what's been discussed here often.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:30 am

Thinking the 737 would be the frontrunner in this competition (financing would be the key). Frankly they can't go wrong with either model, the reliability would be welcomed to YX's longhaul fleet.

12 x 73G
25 x 717
+
20 D328 (Timmy states on yesterdays call they are agressively pursuing additional units)

What a nice looking fleet. Looking alot like a little upstart from ATL (sans D328s).

Finally some good news from YX.

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:40 am

About time, hope they dont get some ugly new makeover or lose the great service they are known for if/when they get these new birds.  Smile

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 1):
What a nice looking fleet. Looking alot like a little upstart from ATL (sans D328s).

Anybody remember the FL/YX merger rumors last year??  silly 

What does their MCI schedual look like at it's peak (im still sure it can't come close to WN's but YX is still growing)

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:43 am

Yes it'd be nice to have something newer to the West Coast than MD80's, but the 80's still aren't bad. Be interesting to see what they pick...I would have had money on used MD90's, but perhaps they don't want to deal with limited availability for future expansion, which is a situation they're in now with the 717's and 328's.

Sure hope the deal comes through for more 328's...they need 'em!
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 1):
12 x 73G

12 + 10 options maybe.... That would a be a nice little growth plan. Put a little more density into the east coast. Lord knows they can only manage to get one plane into EWR a day as it is.

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 2):
What does their MCI schedual look like at it's peak (im still sure it can't come close to WN's but YX is still growing)

From a different story today:


Midwest Airlines has a 10% market share in Kansas City, which puts it behind Southwest Airlines (33%) and American Airlines (13%). But with new flights being added in June, and with American Airlines scaling back in that market, Midwest Airlines should climb past American Airlines to the No. 2 position later this summer, said Randall Smith, vice president of sales and distribution and Scott Dickson, Midwest Airlines' chief marketing officer and senior vice president.

By June, Midwest Airlines will offer 28 daily flights from Kansas City to 12 cities.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 2):
Anybody remember the FL/YX merger rumors last year??

Yes I do.

I still think they would be a great combination. Of course if they did, Signature service would have to become a thing of the past. I'm amazed they do as well as they do with only 80 or so seats on a 717. Their fares are generally no higher than the more densely seated competition. Imagine the money they could make with 117 seats on those 717s. Surely they wouldn't try 2x2 seating on a 737. That would be an enourmous waste of space unless you could fill them up with first class fares.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:47 am

Word has it that YX is going to go Airbus. There are plenty of NW A320's sitting in the desert that are looking for a new home than can be re-leased for cheap. Where as the 737NG has about an 18 month order to delivery time. Boeing did just open a new 737 line for the 737-900ER, so maybe that will open up some slots, but I am not to optimistic. In my opinion, look for some plastic airplanes sitting at the D concourse in the future.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting Daus (Reply 5):

Wow and AA flies to what ORD and DFW (and recently LGA)? Well at least they are gonna pass them up. But good to see them step up their ggame on MCI, although they have a long time before reaching WN  Smile

Im still waiting on MCI-MSY  bouncy 

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Daus (Reply 4):
12 + 10 options maybe

I agree, was just thinking straight 1 for 1 replacements.

Quoting Daus (Reply 4):

A Guy Who Has Spent A LOT of Time in Newark Waiting for the evening departure. Smile

Amen Brother, preaching to the choir!

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 6):
Signature service would have to become a thing of the past

Have the feeling you will be looking at 2-class seating on the 73G's, oops kinda like that little ATL airline. However I would think more they would try to do more then 12 business class seats, maybe 16 or 20 on the YX 73G's

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
There are plenty of NW A320's sitting in the desert that are looking for a new home than can be re-leased for cheap.

Won't happen, name of this game is financing. When you only have $100M in the bank you stick with the people you know.

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 9):
Have the feeling you will be looking at 2-class seating on the 73G's, oops kinda like that little ATL airline. However I would think more they would try to do more then 12 business class seats, maybe 16 or 20 on the YX 73G's

You seem like you may be on to something here when you keep mentioning that ATL based airline. I hope you are right. Any more hints or are you making a guess?
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 9):
Amen Brother, preaching to the choir!

Seriously, has that flight EVER been on-time? The least delayed I've ever been is probably 45 minutes. It's always comical to get the 'High Winds in Newark' story each monring when we fly out as well.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:10 am

Which do u think if they get 737's. -600,-700,-800,900ER? Just testing what others think. I'm betting on the -600 with 2-3 seating. Or just skip out and do -900ER in 5-abreast seating. wonder how many seats 5 abreast would each model hold?
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
Which do u think if they get 737's. -600,-700,-800,900ER? Just testing what others think. I'm betting on the -600 with 2-3 seating. Or just skip out and do -900ER in 5-abreast seating. wonder how many seats 5 abreast would each model hold?

The 600 is too heavy, that's why there have been so few orders. If they are looking for something to replace Saver Service MD-80's then they have no choice but to go with the 800. Put 149 seats on it, 16 in first and 21 rows of 6, and one row of 5 in coach.

[Edited 2006-04-26 23:24:35]
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
I'm betting on the -600 with 2-3 seating.

Hope you aren't making a living in a living in the Airline industry. Honestly an orphan aircraft with an odd seating layout will not make it in the day and age of $75/barrel oil and $99 transcons.

While YX may be able to get away running 2x2 717's for a while longer, it is just not realistic running 2x3 on runs to see mickey or redeyes to Vegas.

2x3's on 736 would put the seat count well under 100 pass. If they go with 73G they can do 12+125 or 16+113. A 738 could do 16+126.

I still think the 73G is the right size craft for them.

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 14):
I still think the 73G is the right size craft for them.

it has to be the 800. FL puts 137 on the 73G and that's with 12 in business class. YX's customers wouldn't be to appreciative of that configuration.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:41 am

I personally think the -600 weighs too much to be financially viable to Midwest. It doesn't weigh very much less than a -700, and you lose capacity.

I, too, was thinking about how great a fleet YX and FL have in common if they go 73G.

I hope it doesn't happen- we have a need for both the loco's as well as the premium YX business types.
Especially since the legacy carriers seem to keep moving toward middle ground- first class is quickly becoming just a wide seat.

So yeah, keep Midwest and AirTran separate, I say.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:58 am

Does Airtran have options for the 738?

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:10 am

737 or A320 = MKE to SEA whohoo.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 17):
Does Airtran have options for the 738?

Yes
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 17):
Does Airtran have options for the 738?

Yes. We can convert all of our orders into 800's if we want to. Boeing requires 18 months notice if we intend to do so, however don't look for it to happen anytime soon. There is a bitter contract dispute between the pilots, and management. If we get the 800's its a 13% pay raise while piloting that plane. Management isn't about to do anything to further to add costs to the equation.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:57 am

Um MidEx, Hello? Yeah my company is selling a few airbusses, slightly used, with fittings for IFE...

If MidEx isn't interested I bet there is another airline with a big red tail that should say "slut" instead on the tail that might be interested. haha, no offense meant to anyone who works there...
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 21):
If MidEx isn't interested I bet there is another airline with a big red tail that should say "slut" instead on the tail that might be interested. haha, no offense meant to anyone who works there...

Well NW won't want them being that you guys use IAE engines, and NW uses CFM's. Also NW has a bunch parked out in the desert, so B6 will have to find another suitor. Perhaps Virgin America?
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 21):
should say "slut" instead on the tail that might be interested.

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:49 am

Doesn't Indy Air still have 319's parked from their liquidation? I would think this might be the perfect aircraft for midwest.

And it seems like they want to expand mainline. They had options on the ERJ for Skyway, but turned them all down. Skyway HQ is in chaos right now anyways based on my sources.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:50 am

From the mouth of a Sr. V-P, it'll be either the A-320 or either Boeing's 737-400 or NG (700). Remember these are to replace the MD-80s which are spec'd for 140 or so seats (depending on MD model) So, the 320 with up to 150 seats would be a good replacement with more than adequate range to do city pairs the 717s are currently challenged by (MCI-SEA, MKE-SEA) and etc. As to the regional fleet of Dornier 328s, the company is attempting to obtain more but there is some question as to spares availability from P&W. Barring obtaining more, the plan is to order or obtain another RJ type. MCI will expand it's gates by one additional in June giving YX positions 23-30 in terminal A. (6 total) Frontier is vacating their adjacent MCI gates in June (headed for term C) which gives YX an opportunity to further expand its presence. All of this is contingent on getting the Board of Director's approval in August.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:59 am

They need to do something with these B1900's. And increase some of their flights out of some out line cities. Like FNT. I can't take advantage of any of their flights to the west or south because they have very few flights and on the weekends they have next to none..... They need bigger aircraft. It would be nice if they would do FNT to MKE and Kansas City. That way the public can take advantage of the west coast and southern flights and vacations packages....
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:08 am

I agree but if you take a look at faremeasure dot com you can clearly see why FNT-MCI or FNT-MKE are city pairs that don't hold alot of promise.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:27 am

With MKE's location exactly in the Midwest wouldn't it make sense to lease or buy A320's. I think the A320 would be more economically better than the 737NG's.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:56 am

I just have one question..

How can YX make these routes work? ....

MKE-BNA with 96 pax & 3 daily flights?
MKE-DAY with 51 pax with 2 mostly-daily flights?
MKE-SDF with 42 pax with 2 mostly-daily flights?

But couldn't make RDU-MKE (98 daily pax) or RDU-MCI (248 daily pax) work and pulled out?

Ahh.. never mind.. just a think-out-loud question...
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:00 am

Because the fares between those locations make them profitable while competition from WN on the MCI-RDU run isn't profiatble enough to justify. A guess I guess, don't have the time at present to research it.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting N911YX (Reply 31):
Because the fares between those locations make them profitable while competition from WN on the MCI-RDU run isn't profiatble enough to justify.

Hmmm.. so WN makes it unprofitable to run MCI-RDU.. but it's plenty profitable even with WN on the MCI-BNA run? or the MCI-BNA-SDF run?

RDU ain't THAT cheap..

Added info:

I decided to check some rates..

May 27-29 or 28-30 from BNA

MKE on AA ($168), YX ($200), NW ($237)
MCI on AA ($142), WN ($69-109), NW ($225)

May 27-29 from RDU

MKE on AA ($299), NW ($216)
MCI on AA ($322), WN ($147-218), NW ($257.50)

I don't see much more premium traffic.. fares look higher out of RDU.

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:20 am

Why wouldn't YX consider either the A380 or the 747-8 ? either aircraft would work well on their lucrative MKE-MCI route. Maybe they could expand to OMA or maybe GRR using them ? It really won't make much difference at the bankruptcy hearing anyway.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 30):
MKE-DAY with 51 pax with 2 mostly-daily flights?

B1900s

They transport 30 daily pax which equates to 7.5 pax per flight o/d. Their avg fare was $152. Average revenue per flight (o/d only) was $1140 which should just about cover their flight so the connections would be profit.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:36 am

I had the pleasure of sitting next to two YX Captains in the past three months as they were dead heading back to MKE. Both of them said the goal of the next plane is to have 2 x 3 seating with the middle seat the last to be sold.

According to these folks Airbus already flew them over a mock-up of the A320 family in this configuration. I don't know which aircraft they will chose (Airbus or Boeing) - but if it's in 2 x 3 configuration - I hope they open up more West Coast and Southwest destinations because I'll fly them all the time.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 35):
According to these folks Airbus already flew them over a mock-up of the A320 family in this configuration. I don't know which aircraft they will chose (Airbus or Boeing) - but if it's in 2 x 3 configuration - I hope they open up more West Coast and Southwest destinations because I'll fly them all the time.

Not true.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:43 am

Whatever happened to "Lets buy DL's MD-90s?!?" ??
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 36):
Not true.

Really? So far all you've posted in this thread are your opinions and the following:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
Word has it that YX is going to go Airbus

Word has it? I had a conversation with two Midwest Captains who told me the same thing. I have a source for my post. I shared it. You have something to refute what I posted - let's see it.

The last half of my post was my opinion about flying Midwest more often if they did adopt 2 x 3 seating - is that not true as well?

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 38):
Your apology is accepted in advance.

You've got a better chance of finding Jimmy Hoffa before getting an apology out of me.

I live with three YX pilots, of which one is a SIM instructor and a check airman. I'm pretty sure that if Noel dropped on of his Airbi into MKE it wouldn't have gone un-noticed.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 1):
20 D328 (Timmy states on yesterdays call they are agressively pursuing additional units)

They could pick up some ex-ACA birds. If they wanted some of the Turboprop type, aren't there some ex-US and ex-UA Do-328s in the desert waiting for new owners?
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:33 am

From what I have heard about the Do328's in MYR they haven't been being taken care of since they were left down there. I guess YX went to look at them not to long ago, and on many of them the FMS systems wouldn't come up, and they were having problems starting up in general. MYR is not a good place to store aircraft, warm, and right on the Atlantic Ocean. Continuous salt air is not good for a dormant airplane. I was told the it is estimated to cost about $500,000 per airplane to get them the necessary maintenance, and new paint. I don't know if it is worth it in the long term.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 16):
So yeah, keep Midwest and AirTran separate, I say

I agree on this but with a different reason, I don't care what anybody else thinks, I am still leary of AirTran from their ValueJet days. It's going to take a while for me to believe that they have improved their maintenance practices.

Quoting Dc10guy (Reply 33):
Why wouldn't YX consider either the A380 or the 747-8 ? either aircraft would work well on their lucrative MKE-MCI route. Maybe they could expand to OMA or maybe GRR using them ? It really won't make much difference at the bankruptcy hearing anyway.

Dude! If you're going to say something absurd, at least have it make sense.

On another note with YX, how are they doing financially? It seems that they are doing okay, and the growth that they are doing seems slow...which I think is smart. Does anyone have any info on this?
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:20 pm

Is there any chance that they may resume service to TVC in the future?
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 42):
I don't care what anybody else thinks, I am still leary of AirTran from their ValueJet days. It's going to take a while for me to believe that they have improved their maintenance practices.

Valujet is dead. It died when we sent our last DC-9 away over two years ago. We have a great aircraft maintenance team, and I would like to add that we have been awarded the FAA Diamond Award for six years in a row http://airtran.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_releases&item=531 . We do a great job taking care of our airplanes, or M.E.L. rate is incredibly low, and I for one have absolutely no problem climbing on anyone of our airplanes and having complete faith that the aircraft is airworthy. Furthermore, 592 was not our fault. Conspiracy theorists have their beliefs, but Sabretech packaged, labeled and certified those O2 generators on that airplane, not Valujet employees. Be more educated before you try to drop smack on an airline. I at least respect OttoPylit because he has somewhat of a clue as to what happened in the past.

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Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 42):
Quoting Dc10guy (Reply 33):
Why wouldn't YX consider either the A380 or the 747-8 ? either aircraft would work well on their lucrative MKE-MCI route. Maybe they could expand to OMA or maybe GRR using them ? It really won't make much difference at the bankruptcy hearing anyway.

Dude! If you're going to say something absurd, at least have it make sense.

On another note with YX, how are they doing financially? It seems that they are doing okay, and the growth that they are doing seems slow...which I think is smart. Does anyone have any info on this?

The A380 or 748 for YX... Hold on a minute...

Nope, went to the window to see if a pig flew yet, but no...  Smile
Oh... wait... DAMN!!! The A380... heheh

As far as their finances are concerned. People on here have said that they are making money, but not enough to consider any large-scale expansion plans or anything of the type...
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RE: YX Considers New Planes, Eyes K.C. Expansion

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 41):
From what I have heard about the Do328's in MYR they haven't been being taken care of since they were left down there. I guess YX went to look at them not to long ago, and on many of them the FMS systems wouldn't come up, and they were having problems starting up in general. MYR is not a good place to store aircraft, warm, and right on the Atlantic Ocean. Continuous salt air is not good for a dormant airplane. I was told the it is estimated to cost about $500,000 per airplane to get them the necessary maintenance, and new paint. I don't know if it is worth it in the long term.

ACA's 328s were junk. They always had maintenance problems when they flew to PIT, and when they broke down, we had to get PSA's mechanics to work on them. The debacle that was ACA/DL Connection made us realize what a piece of work FlyI was going to be. I don't miss them one bit. Skyway was much easier to work, and the crews were ten times better.
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RE: YX Considers New Planes, Eyes K.C. Expansion

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 42):
agree on this but with a different reason, I don't care what anybody else thinks, I am still leary of AirTran from their ValueJet days. It's going to take a while for me to believe that they have improved their maintenance practices.

I have to agree.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 44):
We do a great job taking care of our airplanes, or M.E.L. rate is incredibly low, and I for one have absolutely no problem climbing on anyone of our airplanes and having complete faith that the aircraft is airworthy. Furthermore, 592 was not our fault.

There is enough blame to go around. 592 may not have been the direct fault of Valujet but it still happened. It was an accident that should have never happened. Shoddy and careless maintenance and handling caused that accident. Period.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 44):
Be more educated before you try to drop smack on an airline. I at least respect OttoPylit because he has somewhat of a clue as to what happened in the past.

So you agree there was a "past" to worry about... I guess the "past" wasnt that long ago. Check out this link under "Incidents and Accidents":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirTran_Airways

Thats 62 injured people in the last 8 years not counting the 592 crash. Care to refute that?
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RE: YX Considers New Planes, Eyes K.C. Expansion

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:38 pm

This should be an interesting pick for YX!! I live in MKE and it would be awesome to see 737NG with the blended winglets!! Can't wait for them to decide!!!


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RE: YX Considers New Planes, Eyes K.C. Expansion

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:46 pm

Quoting L1329II (Reply 47):
So you agree there was a "past" to worry about... I guess the "past" wasnt that long ago. Check out this link under "Incidents and Accidents":

Did you read those reports? The two that involve 717's were not related to poor maintenance work at AirTran, they involved defective parts. People did get hurt during the emergency evacuation, but that is a common side effect of an evac, as unfortunate as it is it happens. Look how many people got hurt when Airbus tested that A380 a few weeks ago.

As far as the two incidents with the DC-9's go, there's a lot to it, and at this point in the evening it is time for me to go to bed. We'll get into it later.
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RE: YX Considers New Planes, Eyes K.C. Expansion

Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 44):
Be more educated before you try to drop smack on an airline

Okay, I will educate you with my knowledge. The "Everglades" incident is not what I was talking about. After that incident, the FAA did an inspection on the maintenance practices of Valuejet and they told the airline to shut down voluntarily or we will shut you down. Hence Valuejet shut down. They bought a small airline in Florida named Airtran and took that name and restarted themselves. If you want proof of that knowledge, I would gladly provide it for you. If they have improved themselves since then, GREAT! I am just saying that it's going to take a while for me, myself, and I to trust them. that's great that you support the airline, I just won't.
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