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ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Thu May 25, 2006 7:36 am

This is a great change that we all like. Traffic in Auckland is horrible at mornings so this change will save a lot of time. More info

http://xtramsn.co.nz/businessandmoney/0,,13273-5820302,00.html
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Thu May 25, 2006 8:14 pm

Get your company to front up with the reddies and get you there the night before if it's important.
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Thu May 25, 2006 9:22 pm

Going the night before is a pain as it is an extra night away from home, which with a family is never a good thing (well not never but often)
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Thu May 25, 2006 9:55 pm

What is the problem to get a flight at 7 o'clock?

Usually the morning peak traffic is between 7:30 and 8:30 So I would expect empty motorways in the early morning when heading for a 7 o'clock flight.

At least that is the situation on German motorways.
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 3):
Usually the morning peak traffic is between 7:30 and 8:30 So I would expect empty motorways in the early morning when heading for a 7 o'clock flight.

When I was in Auckland in March and I was catching a 6.45am bus into the City Centre ($6 for a 1 hour trip....rip off). The bus route takes you over one of the many bridges on the Southern Motorway, and even when the bus crossed the bridge just before 7am, there was already a nice traffic jam northbound. Southbound past the City Centre on the Motorway was a breeze thou
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 4:26 am

Maybe an airline in Auckland should do what a Wellington based airline does, and offer communter flights from the North Shore to AKL or something, for easy connections to your flights from AKL. The Wellington based airline is Air2There.com and flys Grand Caravans and Piper 31s between Paraparaumu and WLG

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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Maybe an airline in Auckland should do what a Wellington based airline does, and offer communter flights from the North Shore to AKL or something, for easy connections to your flights from AKL. The Wellington based airline is Air2There.com and flys Grand Caravans and Piper 31s between Paraparaumu and WLG

I would suggest an airport railway like so may other airports on the world have to solve the problem of over crowded excess routes.
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 9:21 am

I think this is a good option for busy travelers. In the United States the first departures of the day are usually at 6am. It requires waking up very early, but people are willing to do it in the US, so I can't see why not in New Zealand.

Also is this only for Wellington, or does it include Christchurch too? The article only mentions Wellington, which is surprising since Air New Zealand has so many flights between AKL and CHC too with 4 737s between 6:50am and 7:50am.
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 3):
Usually the morning peak traffic is between 7:30 and 8:30 So I would expect empty motorways in the early morning when heading for a 7 o'clock flight.

Peak hour here in Auckland can start as early as 0600 and is often heavy right throughout the day in some areas, including weekends.
Being one of the largest cities in the world in geographical area, this can present problems when wanting to get from the outer reaches to the airport.
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 9:29 am

But traffic flow to the airport should be contra peak. At least for everybody in the CBD and south of it. From the north shore the situation might be completely different.
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 6):
I would suggest an airport railway like so may other airports on the world have to solve the problem of over crowded excess routes.

There is a railway line from Auckland city (Britomart underground station) to Manukau, but again you have to catch a cab from Manukau to Air Port.
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 10):
There is a railway line from Auckland city (Britomart underground station) to Manukau, but again you have to catch a cab from Manukau to Air Port.

This would have to be the worst possible way of getting to AKL. I once got the train to town. Almost needed an umbrella inside the cab it was that old. The window was jamed open.

I could put money on it that there would be no bus or taxi's waiting at the train station when you got there as well.
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 10):
There is a railway line from Auckland city (Britomart underground station) to Manukau, but again you have to catch a cab from Manukau to Air Port.

That would cost an arm and a leg as well.
Most cost effective way would be the Airbus service at $15 a pop but then that only solves things if you're coming from the central city.
I would say most pax would come from other areas.
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 6):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Maybe an airline in Auckland should do what a Wellington based airline does, and offer communter flights from the North Shore to AKL or something, for easy connections to your flights from AKL. The Wellington based airline is Air2There.com and flys Grand Caravans and Piper 31s between Paraparaumu and WLG

I would suggest an airport railway like so may other airports on the world have to solve the problem of over crowded excess routes.

Wellington Regional Council is considering ways of improving access to/from WLG and the City. Current ideas involve a Regional Council funded train, so fares are nice and low that will run around the bays on the hill side (nice scenic area) to the Mirimar wharf and a bus/shuttle will run to/from the airport terminal, or a ferry from Queens Wharf to the Mirimar wharf and the bus/shuttle will take over
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
I think this is a good option for busy travelers. In the United States the first departures of the day are usually at 6am. It requires waking up very early, but people are willing to do it in the US, so I can't see why not in New Zealand.

Also is this only for Wellington, or does it include Christchurch too? The article only mentions Wellington, which is surprising since Air New Zealand has so many flights between AKL and CHC too with 4 737s between 6:50am and 7:50am.

CHC already has a flight that departs at 5:45 am

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 10):
Quoting JoFMO (Reply 6):
I would suggest an airport railway like so may other airports on the world have to solve the problem of over crowded excess routes.

There is a railway line from Auckland city (Britomart underground station) to Manukau, but again you have to catch a cab from Manukau to Air Port.

I would have thought that a rail spur could be built to AKL its only about 5-6 km from Puhinui station.
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Fri May 26, 2006 7:47 pm

Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 14):
I would have thought that a rail spur could be built to AKL its only about 5-6 km from Puhinui station.

Then you have to think about how it will get to the other side of the airport. The terminals will remain at the west end. If there will be, it has to be sent underground. It will be easy if they plan this before they start work on the new runway but then again the funding for the railway to the airport is not there and a route is not yet decided on. Possibly 2 routes..? It will help travel around the area.

Once the new Mangere Bridge is built and the SH20 extension to Point Chevalier (SH16), it should speed up. Bus lanes must become a priority.
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Sat May 27, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
Wellington Regional Council is considering ways of improving access to/from WLG and the City. Current ideas involve a Regional Council funded train, so fares are nice and low that will run around the bays on the hill side (nice scenic area) to the Mirimar wharf and a bus/shuttle will run to/from the airport terminal, or a ferry from Queens Wharf to the Mirimar wharf and the bus/shuttle will take over

What a half cocked way of doing things. This is the typical Kiwi way when it comes to transport planning. Why don't they just plan to take the rail right into the airport itself rather than only going so far and then having to change modes? And that ferry idea? Yukk!! Sounds really nice especially with 3m swells. Reminds me of the so called bus lanes on the Auckland motorways. They go for 300 metres and then they have to merge back into thye normal flow for a 300 metres and then the bus lane starts again.
At least with WLG, there are two good alternatives during the peak hour, via Newtown or Oriental Bay (or of it's really bad, then via Brooklyn and down around the bays!) with the Oriental Bay route offering the least resistance during the peak. Smile
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Sat May 27, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting NZ767 (Reply 16):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
Wellington Regional Council is considering ways of improving access to/from WLG and the City. Current ideas involve a Regional Council funded train, so fares are nice and low that will run around the bays on the hill side (nice scenic area) to the Mirimar wharf and a bus/shuttle will run to/from the airport terminal, or a ferry from Queens Wharf to the Mirimar wharf and the bus/shuttle will take over

What a half cocked way of doing things. This is the typical Kiwi way when it comes to transport planning. Why don't they just plan to take the rail right into the airport itself rather than only going so far and then having to change modes? And that ferry idea? Yukk!! Sounds really nice especially with 3m swells.

Thats only two of the ideas currently being worked on. 3 metre swells.......You think 3 metre swells is bad........boring, try crossing Cook Strait in 9-10 metre swells on The Inter Islander, like I did on the Aratere on its first day in passenger service in 1997!

Quoting NZ767 (Reply 16):
At least with WLG, there are two good alternatives during the peak hour, via Newtown or Oriental Bay (or of it's really bad, then via Brooklyn and down around the bays!) with the Oriental Bay route offering the least resistance during the peak.

Or via Mt Victoria look out, Kilbirnie and then the back road to the airport via the Southern end of the runway
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Sat May 27, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 17):
3 metre swells.......You think 3 metre swells is bad........boring

Hi Jason,

3 meteres was just a guess, me being a land (and air  Smile) lubber and all.
Geez, 9 metre swells on the Aratere? That boat is the pits even on a calm sea.
Anyway, I prefer my rough rides on approach to WLG in a gusty northerly. Big grin
 
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RE: ANZ Offering Early Flights To Beat Traffic

Sat May 27, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting NZ767 (Reply 18):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 17):
3 metre swells.......You think 3 metre swells is bad........boring

Hi Jason,

3 meteres was just a guess, me being a land (and air ) lubber and all.
Geez, 9 metre swells on the Aratere? That boat is the pits even on a calm sea.
Anyway, I prefer my rough rides on approach to WLG in a gusty northerly.

Its one sea sickness experince I never want to experience again, or should I say air sickness cause you could tell the boat was 'airborn' then crash as it hits the water again. Now I will try and get on topic a bit

The WLG ferry option would the the quickest option and cook strait gets the worst of the bad seas. Only parts of Wellington Harbour that gets the bad parts are around Eastbourne
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